Coding Horrors: You can gather all your technical debt into one easy framework!

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Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

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# ? Jul 7, 2013 05:07

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# ? May 16, 2024 07:03

Volmarias: Dec 31, 2002; EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

pokeyman posted:

Hey, these are the jerks who had an "email us and we'll give you some cool crypto problems to solve", and I did and they never wrote back so I wrote again and they still never wrote back so now I'm sad.

I emailed them and they gave me some cool crypto problems to solve (and then more when I solved them, rinse repeat).

Maybe it's just you?

# ? Jul 7, 2013 06:15

Coffee Mugshot: Jun 26, 2010; by Lowtax

DAT NIGGA HOW posted:

You're telling me its impossible to create a completely cryptographically secure communication application in the browser? Thats an interesting claim.

What is it about browser based applications that makes them impossible to achieve security?

Are you copy-pasting from Hacker News right now or are you serious? Have you ever used a computer before?

# ? Jul 7, 2013 08:25

RoadCrewWorker: Nov 19, 2007; camels aren't so great

Who is "how!" and does he work for cryptocat or something that he feels the need to (re?)register just to derail the thread over his sadly feeble point?

# ? Jul 7, 2013 10:06

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

DAT NIGGA HOW posted:

You're telling me its impossible to create a completely cryptographically secure communication application in the browser? Thats an interesting claim.

What is it about browser based applications that makes them impossible to achieve security?

The sandboxing which doesn't work. The fact that users routinely download and run untrusted code in their browser every day. Flash. The lack of mlocking. Java. Garbage collection pauses that can make timing analysis laughably easy. Lack of access to decent entropy pool.

These are off the top of my head, I can probably think of a few more.

# ? Jul 7, 2013 11:44

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

There's also the fact that if you're relying on javascript code provided by a server to do crypto for you, you might as just send the data to that server and have it do the crypto there. Your data is exactly as (in-)secure.

If you're going to write an extension or something that people install on their computer, you should just bundle scrypt with it and then your extension can be a wrapper around that instead of trying to roll your own crypto (which you will gently caress up).

# ? Jul 7, 2013 11:53

Hughlander: May 11, 2005

RoadCrewWorker posted:

Who is "how!" and does he work for cryptocat or something that he feels the need to (re?)register just to derail the thread over his sadly feeble point?

Here have some reading material:
how!!
NBV4(Pre how!! How)]

Hughlander fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jul 7, 2013

# ? Jul 7, 2013 16:01

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

ExcessBLarg! posted:

His post does contain an opinion ("CryptoCat sucks"), but it's backed by facts and verifiable statements that enable other experts to agree with his assessment or refute it.

The presentation of these not-previously-known facts and the originality of the investigation alone make his post constructive. It's not, not constructive just because it may offend some folks.

Not to mention the guy submitted a patch that generated stronger keys. Sounds pretty constructive to me. I assume how didn't actually read the post, or else he was so blinded by the tone that he didn't notice the content.

# ? Jul 7, 2013 16:01

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

Hughlander posted:

Here have some reading material:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/search.php?action=results&requestid=7083111

drat can't find the pre-How username thought a google search for 'makes lovely threads' would find it but it didn't.

nbv4?

# ? Jul 7, 2013 16:02

RoadCrewWorker: Nov 19, 2007; camels aren't so great

Hughlander posted:

Here have some reading material:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/search.php?action=results&requestid=7083111

Thanks, but that url tag is broken and the search url just returns "Sorry, there were no more results matching your search query to display." so that's a bit less material than i had hoped for.

Did you mean he's the OP in this immortal classic http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3216686#post367234074 ?

RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jul 7, 2013

# ? Jul 7, 2013 16:12

Hughlander: May 11, 2005

RoadCrewWorker posted:

Thanks, but that url tag is broken and the search url just returns "Sorry, there were no more results matching your search query to display." so that's a bit less material than i had hoped for.

Did you mean he's the OP in this immortal classic http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3216686#post367234074?

I fixed it (SA added a redirect to find posts by user that I didn't notice.) and added the 2nd username, but yes that's who it's referring to.

# ? Jul 7, 2013 16:14

That Turkey Story: Mar 30, 2003

Is how!! really nbv4? This explains so much.

# ? Jul 7, 2013 17:49

pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Least surprising reveal in CoC history.

# ? Jul 7, 2013 18:29

That Turkey Story: Mar 30, 2003

shrughes is teapot.

# ? Jul 7, 2013 18:37

csammis: Aug 26, 2003; Mental Institution

shruges posts don't have enough commas to be teapot posts

# ? Jul 7, 2013 19:38

floWenoL: Oct 23, 2002

csammis posted:

shruges posts don't have enough commas to be teapot posts

btw guys, I'm yegge.

Edit:
Man, I completely forgot the whole nbv4/how!! thing. I'm getting old.

floWenoL fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 7, 2013

# ? Jul 7, 2013 20:51

seiken: Feb 7, 2005; hah ha ha

C++ code:

#define pirate private

# ? Jul 7, 2013 22:02

csammis: Aug 26, 2003; Mental Institution

I found this in a third party header file the other day:

code:

#ifdef (__sun__)
#define signed
#endif

with no corresponding #undef. Imagine my surprise when I pulled in that header and our Solaris build broke in <climits> due to multiple definitions of std::numeric_limits<char> :psyduck:

# ? Jul 7, 2013 22:21

Volmarias: Dec 31, 2002; EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

seiken posted:

C++ code:

#define pirate private

I think this is a pretty reasonable define to put in.

# ? Jul 8, 2013 00:33

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

DAT NIGGA HOW posted:

Crypography is the kind of thing where if you understand the concepts, building a cryptocat site is trivial. If you don't understand the concepts, then cryptography is hard.

"Whoever thinks his problem can be solved using cryptography, doesn't understand his problem and doesn't understand cryptography."

-- Roger Needham/Butler Lampson (who attribute it to each other)

# ? Jul 8, 2013 18:46

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

tef posted:

"Whoever thinks his problem can be solved using cryptography, doesn't understand his problem and doesn't understand cryptography."

-- Roger Needham/Butler Lampson (who attribute it to each other)

Sounds like someone should have cryptographically signed their comment.

# ? Jul 8, 2013 19:48

Don Mega: Nov 26, 2005

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but cryptography is a complicated subject. Could its implementation ever be classified as trivial? Even more so if you are involved with important details / security.

I will stick with using libraries from trusted, more knowledgeable developers.

# ? Jul 8, 2013 19:51

No Safe Word: Feb 26, 2005

Don Mega posted:

Maybe I'm just an idiot, but cryptography is a complicated subject. Could its implementation ever be classified as trivial? Even more so if you are involved with important details / security.

I will stick with using libraries from trusted, more knowledgeable developers.

It's easy as poo poo to create a one-time pad that is impossible to crack!

Snarkiness aside, it depends on what exactly you're implementing. Yes a lot of the larger/more useful applications of cryptography are very hard and totally nontrivial.

# ? Jul 8, 2013 19:57

the littlest prince: Sep 23, 2006

qntm posted:

Sounds like someone should have cryptographically signed their comment.

You must not understand mistaken attribution and you must not understand cryptography!

Seriously though that quote doesn't make any sense. Am I misinterpreting or is it really trying to say that cryptography cannot solve any problems?

# ? Jul 8, 2013 20:35

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Just like regexes :v:

# ? Jul 8, 2013 20:38

Captain Capacitor: Jan 21, 2008; The code you say?

Otto Skorzeny posted:

Just like regexes

You mean those things I use to parse HTML?

# ? Jul 8, 2013 20:52

zergstain: Dec 15, 2005

So today I edited a file with 4 space indenting, tab indenting, 2 space indenting, and I believe there was a few lines with 5 space indenting. And of course tabs and spaces mixed on the same line. What I really love is the if that is indented with spaces, except for the closing brace, so it's way over to the right.

# ? Jul 8, 2013 21:53

Sticky Profits: Aug 12, 2011

zergstain posted:

So today I edited a file with 4 space indenting, tab indenting, 2 space indenting, and I believe there was a few lines with 5 space indenting. And of course tabs and spaces mixed on the same line. What I really love is the if that is indented with spaces, except for the closing brace, so it's way over to the right.

I avoid this by insisting my coworkers right-align all code.

# ? Jul 8, 2013 22:06

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

Your IDE doesn't manage whitespace for you? What a primitive environment.

# ? Jul 8, 2013 22:07

Volmarias: Dec 31, 2002; EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

zergstain posted:

So today I edited a file with 4 space indenting, tab indenting, 2 space indenting, and I believe there was a few lines with 5 space indenting. And of course tabs and spaces mixed on the same line. What I really love is the if that is indented with spaces, except for the closing brace, so it's way over to the right.

This sounds like a problem that could be solved with a quick ctrl-shift-F.

# ? Jul 8, 2013 22:17

Zhentar: Sep 28, 2003; Brilliant Master Genius

You mean Ctrl+K, Ctrl+D?

# ? Jul 8, 2013 22:24

Dicky B: Mar 23, 2004

Our team is currently reviewing our c++ style guide (our current one is basically badly adapted from an old C style guide so a lot of stuff is missing/inappropriate) and today we spent a good 30 minutes discussing whether or not there should be a space between if and (

# ? Jul 8, 2013 22:28

zergstain: Dec 15, 2005

Everyone uses vi/vim. I'm sure if we used an IDE, people would just configure the indenting the way they like and we'd still have the same problem. And I know vim can take care of it, but good luck pushing everybody to use the same config.

Edit: As much as I'd love to, reformatting the whole file is frowned upon because I would show up on every line on CVS annotate (primitive is right, but we're working on a Perforce migration, not sure if that will help in this case though).

zergstain fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jul 8, 2013

# ? Jul 8, 2013 22:29

Volmarias: Dec 31, 2002; EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Dicky B posted:

Our team is currently reviewing our c++ style guide (our current one is basically badly adapted from an old C style guide so a lot of stuff is missing/inappropriate) and today we spent a good 30 minutes discussing whether or not there should be a space between if and (

Yes, there should be.

# ? Jul 9, 2013 00:34

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

You need a smaller review meeting.

# ? Jul 9, 2013 04:39

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

What about if( <expr> ){?

# ? Jul 9, 2013 04:44

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

Jabor posted:

What about if( <expr> ){?

kill yourself

# ? Jul 9, 2013 04:47

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

Jabor posted:

What about if( <expr> ){?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

And yes, there should be a space, because if is not a function call.

# ? Jul 9, 2013 04:48

Strong Sauce: Jul 2, 2003; You know I am not really your father.

code:

if (<expr>){
  <statement1>
} else {
  <statement2>
}

# ? Jul 9, 2013 05:04

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# ? May 16, 2024 07:03

Deus Rex: Mar 5, 2005

Strong Sauce posted:

code:

if (<expr>){
  <statement1>
} else {
  <statement2>
}

fix that opening brace and it is perfect

# ? Jul 9, 2013 05:11

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