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brucio posted:I'm surprised someone in the party hasn't taken him aside and bluntly told him to shut his mouth because he's doing more harm to the Liberals than good by writing all of these smarmy articles and talking up his party membership. Maybe they've finally figured they could get some use out of him by having him associate himself with a competing candidate in an upcoming by-election? He's like the cooler, without the heartwarming redemption story.
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So ran into Trudeau this weekend (and again sadly) on Monday. Maybe I'm too far gone into common sense ville but how do people like this guy ? Is crashing a non-profit charity breakfast, trolling, then letting his entourage cut in line ahead of people waiting something classy in Liberal ontario demographics ? Is there honestly nobody left of the Cretien era who wants to bitchslap this guy ? Second time, cowboys VIP section. Mr. Classy pours a beer in a girls purse (not his wifes). Denys it, tries to get in bar fight with executives & owners. Entourage bails him out. Limos waiting outside. Like poo poo man. Am I missing something ? Why the gently caress is CTV and the rest of the media not buring this entitled oval office. He's like everything one would hate in a McGill first year prick who has yet to get his jaw smashed on a saturday night. Not trying to derail, but I am honestly curious. Is there a reason other than hurf-durf #harperhitler ? Hal_2005 fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jul 11, 2013 |
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Jul 11, 2013 07:42
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Hal_2005 posted:So ran into Trudeau this weekend (and again sadly) on Monday. Maybe I'm too far gone into common sense ville but how do people like this guy ? They just spent the last 6 years boosting Harper and when it turned out he's not such a golden boy after all they decided to pump up the Libs again. God forbid we let anyone other than liberals and conservatives (actually liberals with some populist window dressing) have a crack.
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Jul 11, 2013 07:45
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THC posted:They just spent the last 6 years boosting Harper and when it turned out he's not such a golden boy after all they decided to pump up the Libs again. God forbid we let anyone other than liberals and conservatives (actually liberals with some populist window dressing) have a crack. Is the liberal committee that talent starved ? What about all those go-getters at Stikemann & Tory's who fist-pump the warchest every 5 months ? Its just totally astounding that someone that, well... silver spooned is such a brat. a 41 year old brat. Problem I see is that Green party is too lightweight. Green party policy is centered around recreating the French/German green movement which boils down to 1 thing: green credits/carbon credit exchanges through overt or passive tax grabs. The only problem is these treasured equalization credits are one of the largest tax frauds since Eurobonds in the EU. They have 0 policy on any other part of canada. 10 years later and the green's still have 0 party line on federal geopolitical docterine, opinions of civic infrastructure or soft power policy. And the NDP ? God help us if we had to rely upon NDP to actually do something mission critical ie. make a Canadian content decision on a Blackberry breakup or decide if Canada must commit to a NATO bosnia style intervention in a Syrian insurrection route. poo poo, find me an NDP who can explain to me how natural resource flow-through tax credits work in boosting the net income of a Maritime household and I will flip my card carrying status overnight. The party since Broadbent is just pure, populist-socialist publicity gimmicks. They cant even be creditable PARL critics on our economic underperformance vs. the US soft-monetary policies. Seriously, just for curiosity--- is it just people ant-Harper'ing that is making this guy popular ? I'm not seeing it, at all. Hal_2005 fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jul 11, 2013 |
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Jul 11, 2013 07:57
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Hal_2005 posted:Second time, cowboys VIP section. Mr. Classy pours a beer in a girls purse (not his wifes). Denys it, tries to get in bar fight with executives & owners. Entourage bails him out. Limos waiting outside. Sounds like average Cowboys VIP behavior to me! 
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Jul 11, 2013 08:09
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I'm moving to America if that clown ever leads our nation. Its bad enough that he leads a party. Its tough to type that.
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Jul 11, 2013 10:10
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Oh come on like the US is any better off than we are man. Truedau is garbage but he's not the worst of the three neoliberal cunts we get to pick from
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Jul 11, 2013 10:20
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Baloogan posted:I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I'm moving to America if that clown ever leads our nation. Its bad enough that he leads a party. Its tough to type that. You could always just move to America. Pretty nice there. No need for silly threats.
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Jul 11, 2013 12:02
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Can anyone recommend me some good independent news sites/magazines? I'm aware of Rabble, Canadian Dimension, Briarpatch, The Dominion, The Watershed Sentinel and West Coast Native News. I'm sure I'm missing some major ones. Particularly anything focused on environmental issues would be good.
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Jul 11, 2013 12:38
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Duck Rodgers posted:Can anyone recommend me some good independent news sites/magazines? I'm aware of Rabble, Canadian Dimension, Briarpatch, The Dominion, The Watershed Sentinel and West Coast Native News. I'm sure I'm missing some major ones. Particularly anything focused on environmental issues would be good. http://thetyee.ca/
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Jul 11, 2013 12:53
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Baloogan posted:I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I'm moving to America if that clown ever leads our nation. Its bad enough that he leads a party. Its tough to type that. We can go pick tomatos in Florida together for far less than minimum wage, then die in the fields from lack of adequate minimal healthcare together! Yes!
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Jul 11, 2013 13:07
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Baloogan posted:I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I'm moving to America if that clown ever leads our nation. Its bad enough that he leads a party. Its tough to type that. Hahah what are you 16? If you want to leave, then go. Don't be a drama queen about it, because I've news for you: nobody cares. In other  news, Milzcyn is leading Holyday 45%-39% in a poll with a small sample size. Ford nation currently having a poo poo fit on newspaper comment boards.
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Jul 11, 2013 13:49
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Tighclops posted:Oh come on like the US is any better off than we are man. Truedau is garbage but he's not the worst of the three neoliberal cunts we get to pick from ??? What's wrong with Joyce Murray?
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Hahhaha, move to America if Trudeau gets elected? Besides libertarian intentions, I cannot fathom a single reason why that would better yourself in any way whatsoever. Our choice of 'neoliberals' is better than the two party system the US has between neoconservatism and fascism.  If it chaffes you so much to live under Trudeau's liberal agenda, I'm sure you'll find plenty of like-minded individuals in Alberta.
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Jul 11, 2013 15:18
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Why do people always threaten to move to the closest country? Threaten to move to Burma. That's a real commitment.
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Jul 11, 2013 15:26
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If Justin Trudeau becomes Prime Minister, I'm gonna move to British Ceylon! 
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Jul 11, 2013 15:27
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Trudeau becoming Prime Minister, why that's like Kefka usurping Emperor Gestahl! Are you prepared to see the Canada of Balance become the Canada of Ruin? Vote Banon 2014
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Hal_2005 posted:And the NDP ? God help us if we had to rely upon NDP to actually do something mission critical ie. make a Canadian content decision on a Blackberry breakup or decide if Canada must commit to a NATO bosnia style intervention in a Syrian insurrection route. poo poo, find me an NDP who can explain to me how natural resource flow-through tax credits work in boosting the net income of a Maritime household and I will flip my card carrying status overnight. The party since Broadbent is just pure, populist-socialist publicity gimmicks. They cant even be creditable PARL critics on our economic underperformance vs. the US soft-monetary policies. Also, your gimmick seems to be swinging into threads and implying or outright saying (with nary an ounce of humility) that you're the economically literate goon.
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Hal_2005 posted:So ran into Trudeau this weekend (and again sadly) on Monday. Maybe I'm too far gone into common sense ville but how do people like this guy ? Since this is my job and all, and I seem to be the Liberal here, but seriously, why should I believe you on this? On the first one, please tell me how he trolled the breakfast? As to crashing it, are you sure he wasn't invited? It seems to be standard procedure for charity events? On the second one? Forgive me for saying so, and I know I'm being hypocritical here considering my reputation, but you haven't made the most reliable posts so far here and keep seeming to refer to a Liberal Media Conspiracy. First, Here claiming CBC is overinflating media coverage of a "minor train derailment" which you know, has caused at least 20 deaths so far, for Liberal propaganda purposes. Including just quotes as hal_2005 posted:Its not a conspiracy theory mind you when it is a conspiracy fact. Just my opinion. So, yes again I know this maybe hypocritical, but I don't believe you and your lovely posts. EDIT: I'd just like the same critical standards that people use on me when I post stupidly to apply to other posters when they run their mouth off. bunnyofdoom fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jul 11, 2013 |
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Jul 11, 2013 15:55
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bunnyofdoom posted:Since this is my job and all, and I seem to be the Liberal here, but seriously, why should I believe you on this?
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Jul 11, 2013 16:53
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As a rule I'm generally pretty leery of a lot of this personal anecdote stuff unless there's something more concrete to work with, like a video or very clear-cut actions. Not to mention a lot of inflammatory details like referring to his entourage and having limos pretty much applies to every national politician.
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If somebody is actually paying that comical twit to embarrass himself with his lunatic rambling, then somebody is... well, spending money about as responsibly as I've come to expect from many members of our government, now that I think about it. I agree with Dolash, in any case. Anecdotal stuff tends to be pretty worthless in most cases.
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Jul 11, 2013 17:04
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This is politics, if Trudeau really was that much of a douche IRL then not only would there have been multiple reports of it in the media but someone would have probably taken video of it with their cell phones.
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Jul 11, 2013 17:54
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Kafka Esq. posted:Team Theology should be able to tell you about the relative knowledge of your standard politician of any colour being completely beside-the-point when you have civil servants who produce reports, white papers, studies, polls and so forth. You have lobbyists and experts who are pretty smart people, and not necessarily doing a con job. Furthermore, you can look outside the country for examples and expert help - Paul Dewar won't be using purely his own gut instincts and interior knowledge on Syria. In fact, I trust the NDP to use and respect these sources more than I do any other party, especially on the economy. Really? If anything, the NDP have shown themselves just as capable of being anti-expertise as any other party, *especially* on the economy. They are plenty willing to ignore expertise when they think a wedge issue can be made out of it, like being anti-HST in BC or their cockamamie home heating tax credit in Ontario. I don't trust ANY party to consistently cultivate and/or follow good advice.
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rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:Really? If anything, the NDP have shown themselves just as capable of being anti-expertise as any other party, *especially* on the economy. They are plenty willing to ignore expertise when they think a wedge issue can be made out of it, like being anti-HST in BC or their cockamamie home heating tax credit in Ontario. I don't trust ANY party to consistently cultivate and/or follow good advice.
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rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:Really? If anything, the NDP have shown themselves just as capable of being anti-expertise as any other party, *especially* on the economy. They are plenty willing to ignore expertise when they think a wedge issue can be made out of it, like being anti-HST in BC or their cockamamie home heating tax credit in Ontario. I don't trust ANY party to consistently cultivate and/or follow good advice. I guess the truth really is in the middle then, huh? Now I'm not saying that the NDP is perfect or that even leftists shouldn't hold them to a high standard but here you're actually saying that because of a handful of ill-conceived populist policies the NDP is as anti-expert as the Conservative loving Party of Canada. This is blatantly untrue and the "all parties are equally bad" poo poo is disingenuous and unproductive. You want to hold their feet to the fire, fine. Don't try to pretend they're on the same level as the CPC.
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Hal_2005 posted:Is the liberal committee that talent starved ? What about all those go-getters at Stikemann & Tory's who fist-pump the warchest every 5 months ? So you're in favour of just stringently capping emission then? Or are you one of those 'but the Economy  ' climate-change-denialists-in-all-but-name-only libertarian morons. Calling Eurobonds tax fraud does not make you look economically literate, fyi. And what the hell do flow through shares have to do anything? It seems a weird piece of policy to harp on as important. E: And honestly, the 'they're all the same' fatalism is pretty loving stupid too. The liberals are awful, the NDP has flaws, but either of them would be better than the Cons are now. Being neoliberal doesn't make the liberals as actively regressive on things like prison policy the way the Cons have been, or as anti-science. Political Whores fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jul 11, 2013 |
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Jul 11, 2013 20:19
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Cordyceps Headache posted:And what the hell do flow through shares have to do anything? It seems a weird piece of policy to harp on as important. I'm starting to think he's a bot programmed to spit out random lines of text gleaned from scanning in copies of Canadian Business Magazine.
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You know, we could just stop the bickering and just hand the Liberals a decade of power to try and fix all of Harper's fuckups. Doesn't have to be a majority, a minority supported by the NDP would be ideal. Anyone that buries Harper at the bottom of a tailings pond is A-OK in my books.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:22
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Yeah come on guys, stop all this squabbling, and let the Natural Governing Party assume its rightful place once again
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Jul 11, 2013 20:28
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Can I point out that between 1887 and 2005 every single leader* of the Liberal Party ended up as Prime Minister? (Wilfrid Laurier, William Lyon Mackenzie King, Louis St. Laurent, Lester B. Pearson, Pierre Trudeau, John Turner, Jean Chretien, Paul Martin). That is a loving impressive slate there. *Not counting interim leaders. Even then, there was only one interim leader in that group, and that was following Laurier.
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Jul 11, 2013 21:18
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You know what I find funny? I can't even remember the name of the last Liberal Party leader. The one who ruined the party. Edit: its igganeff
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bunnyofdoom posted:Can I point out that between 1887 and 2005 every single leader* of the Liberal Party ended up as Prime Minister? (Wilfrid Laurier, William Lyon Mackenzie King, Louis St. Laurent, Lester B. Pearson, Pierre Trudeau, John Turner, Jean Chretien, Paul Martin). That is a loving impressive slate there. *waves tiny red flag*
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Isizzlehorn posted:You know, we could just stop the bickering and just hand the Liberals a decade of power to try and fix all of Harper's fuckups. The last Liberal government made deeper cuts to government programs than any other government since World War II and started the regime of endless corporate tax cuts that Harper has continued. They got elected on a platform called the 'Red Book' that promised huge investments in educaiton and infrastructure but they simply cancelled those promises and instead opted to massively reduce the contribution the federal government made to provincial budgets. While Harper has starved the Canadian state through tax cuts, the previous Liberal government was willing to actually make massive cuts to government programs. The Liberal party since then has behaved in a way that suggests that the more fiscally conservative side of the party remains in ascendancy behind the scenes. Trudeau's chief of staff is Cyrus Reporter, a lobbyist who has worked for the pharmaceuticals, telecommunications and energy companies (including Bayer and BP). All Trudeau's concrete policy announcements have been in favour of more trade deals that would continue the policies that have done so much damage to Canada's middle class. I tend to agree that Trudeau would be better than Harper but don't be under any illusions that the Liberals will 'fix' anything the Conservatives have done. They aren't that kind of party. Many of the Liberals have no objection to Harper's policies except that they think its slightly unrefined. They think the current Conservatives are still Reform yokels who don't deserve to hold the reigns of power, but they don't have a radically different vision for the economy or society.
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HookShot posted:This is politics, if Trudeau really was that much of a douche IRL then not only would there have been multiple reports of it in the media but someone would have probably taken video of it with their cell phones. I have seen him be pretty douche-y with my own eyes. Not frat boy things like pouring drinks into purses, but some serious pompous stuff.
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Twiin posted:Not frat boy things like pouring drinks into purses
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I don't see a media conspiracy about his douch-baggery: http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2013/07/08/will-justin-trudeau-get-his-wish-and-ride-a-horse-as-pm-at-the-stampede/
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Twiin posted:I have seen him be pretty douche-y with my own eyes. Not frat boy things like pouring drinks into purses, but some serious pompous stuff. Of course he's pompous, look who his dad is. Harper is a grown up version of Melvin from the Simpsons. Muclair is that rear end in a top hat who thinks he invents the rules of the road as he goes because he's oh so important. Are we really picking by parties by likability? Are we choir moms?
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