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What is "gooniest" supposed to mean, anyway? I've been around here a while and I still don't know.
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Baron Bifford posted:What is "gooniest" supposed to mean, anyway? I've been around here a while and I still don't know. Look in a mirror.
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Jul 11, 2013 19:21
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Dog_Meat posted:I can see how it can feel old after a while, but I actually find myself getting annoyed when Primarchs and the Emperor DON'T get written as almost mythical beings. Part of the lore for me is the fact that laying eyes on a primarch is a life changing experience. Grown men have wept in their presence, etc. I love the scenes in Nikea and Ulanor, where having so many primarchs around with the Emperor is a massive, galaxy shaking event. I mean, remember Q from Star Trek? He's supposed to be a fantastically advanced being beyond comprehension, but the filmmakers realized that they can't actually depict that properly, so they just got some doofus wine snob dressed in a Starfleet uniform. Fantastic beyond comprehension? What does that even mean? I can't even imagine that. It's like a cue for me to fake awe. I just think back to that one time I visited the Himalayas and associate that sensation with the God-Emperor. It's the best I can do. But even if they work, they are often introduced at the wrong time, breaking the flow of the story. I don't want to hear about how awesome Magnus is when he has just burst through the Webway. There are more interesting things afoot. Mechafunkzilla posted:Look in a mirror.
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Jul 11, 2013 19:28
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Baron Bifford posted:
The gooniest
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Jul 11, 2013 19:35
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Baron Bifford posted:Just how goony do you think I am? Beyond comprehension
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Jul 11, 2013 19:42
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Baron Bifford posted:I just think back to that one time I visited the Himalayas and associate that sensation with the God-Emperor. Pretty goony, clearly.
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Jul 11, 2013 19:43
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Dog_Meat posted:In fact, I always wondered how exactly Angron could possibly be a gladiator? In After De'shea he recalls people asking him to let himself get at least cut, but how is having a primarch gladiator any more entertaining than throwing a baby to a lion? Throwing an entire legion of armoured, sword wielding soldiers at him should end up looking like a bloodier, more dismembery version of the "Are you not entertained?!" scene from Gladiator.
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Jul 11, 2013 19:49
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hopterque posted:Pretty goony, clearly.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:10
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Dog_Meat posted:I can see how it can feel old after a while, but I actually find myself getting annoyed when Primarchs and the Emperor DON'T get written as almost mythical beings. Part of the lore for me is the fact that laying eyes on a primarch is a life changing experience. Grown men have wept in their presence, etc. I love the scenes in Nikea and Ulanor, where having so many primarchs around with the Emperor is a massive, galaxy shaking event. The cool thing with the Emperor is that no two people can even agree on what he looks like, and each person tends to see either what the emperor wants them to see or else what they themselves want to see in his face. Similarly, it would be cool if what each person sees when they see a primarch is actually subtly different, and that their accounts often diverge because of the immensity of their presence. And also that they're not necessarily physical giants even larger than an astartes, but rather that everyone simply perceives them as being taller than anything else in the room because they're not entirely of this world.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:14
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Baron Bifford posted:So, being goony means to be irreverent and a little cynical? If that's how you think you come across you've got some serious problems.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:14
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Baron Bifford posted:So, being goony means to be irreverent and a little cynical? Swing and a miss.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:14
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Baron Bifford posted:So, being goony means to be irreverent and a little cynical? Oh my god shut the gently caress up you humorless dolt. So this 40k relevant: you're about as clever as an Iron Hand trying to be a comedian.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:14
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VanSandman posted:Oh my god shut the gently caress up you humorless dolt. I dunno. Iron Hands could at least have so unfunny it's funny going for them
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Jul 11, 2013 20:25
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I don't literally groan every time an Iron Hand posts in the thread
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Jul 11, 2013 20:26
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Isn't he the guy, who among other things, vigorously denied the Blood Ravens were thieves because there wasn't an explicit passage saying they were, even thought there was alot of poo poo that outright said they stole things? I think he's just threadshitting.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:29
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Dog_Meat posted:
It's probable that it wasn't actually Alpharius or Omegon. That's kind of their thing.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:31
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bunnyofdoom posted:Isn't he the guy, who among other things, vigorously denied the Blood Ravens were thieves because there wasn't an explicit passage saying they were, even thought there was alot of poo poo that outright said they stole things? I think he's just threadshitting. No, he really is that goddamn stupid and spergy. Check his post history and rap sheet.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:31
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VanSandman posted:Oh my god shut the gently caress up you humorless dolt. "Query: why do humans emit salt water under distress? Do they believe salt water will deactivate a 50 terawatt laser discharge? Response: Because they are tiresome and weak. All glory to the machine."
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Jul 11, 2013 20:32
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Cream_Filling posted:"Query: why do humans emit salt water under distress? Do they believe salt water will deactivate a 50 terawatt laser discharge? Response: Because they are tiresome and weak. All glory to the machine." I'd love to see what he'd do to a heckler.
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Jul 11, 2013 20:33
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bunnyofdoom posted:I'd love to see what he'd do to a heckler. Hey Iron Hand! More like Iron Warrior!
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Jul 11, 2013 20:40
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lenoon posted:Hey Iron Hand! More like Iron Warrior! Human, how about I use my omnissiah gifted metal hand to introduce your inferior human windpipes to pain?
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Jul 11, 2013 20:41
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lenoon posted:Hey Iron Hand! More like Iron Warrior! "You are incorrect, mortal. The word Iron in Iron Hands is more properly rendered in the medusan sidrox which means 'shining' or 'metal' beginning in middle Medusan, as opposed to swee'chlal in Olympian, which refers more accurately to the ancient Olympian practice of grinding stone against an iron blade. Furthermore..."
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Jul 11, 2013 20:50
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Cream_Filling posted:The cool thing with the Emperor is that no two people can even agree on what he looks like, and each person tends to see either what the emperor wants them to see or else what they themselves want to see in his face. What always stuck with me is that scene in LEGION with John Grammaticus. He doesn't say what he physically saw but that the Emperor and him having a little 'immortal psychics' bro moment makes me think he has a better view of what is behind the psychic mask the Emperor puts up. "Bloodthirsty" was the impression he came away with, wasn't it?
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Jul 11, 2013 21:32
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Wonderful. So a wulfen, a death company member and kharn walk into a bar, and the bartender says 'hey what is this? The bar is closed'
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Jul 11, 2013 21:39
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VanSandman posted:Oh my god shut the gently caress up you humorless dolt. Cream_Filling posted:Swing and a miss. So Lion'El was irreverent, humorless, and... stupid? It was a legitimate question.
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I have to say after reading through this thread and it recommendations for authors, I have to agree I really enjoy ADB's writing. I especially enjoy his portrayal of space marine humor. There are plenty of them throughout his books. Though the ones I have seen in soul hunter and blood reaver so far are my favorite. They are these traitor marines who are murders and other such traitor marine things, but they still pull off great lines. Like when talos says something about blood reaver being a horrible name for a person and cyrion firing back that's rich coming from someone know as soul hunter. Good times with the traitor marines.
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Jul 11, 2013 22:51
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I also like how, when ADB plays the universe deadpan, Konrad Curze hates his name and is actually aware that his life is a joke and is super bitter about it. Same goes for Soul Hunter and a lot of the other guys with silly names.
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Jul 11, 2013 23:03
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Baron Bifford posted:So Lion'El was irreverent, humorless, and... stupid? Humorless, social inept, pedantic, annoying, missed the forest for the trees, etc.
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MariusLecter posted:What always stuck with me is that scene in LEGION with John Grammaticus. He doesn't say what he physically saw but that the Emperor and him having a little 'immortal psychics' bro moment makes me think he has a better view of what is behind the psychic mask the Emperor puts up. "Bloodthirsty" was the impression he came away with, wasn't it? It's a sometime-hinted at thing that the Emperor isn't a totally benign altruistic being with humanity's best interests at heart. For one thing, he clearly isn't human in the conventional sense. In fact it's somewhat ironic that for a setting that's centred on Humanity and has a fluff rule that stories shouldn't generally be written from the perspective of aliens to preserve the alien-ness of their minds, we actually know less about what actually motivates the Emperor and what his background is than we know about most races. Even less so given the old Inquisitor/Starchild stuff that's been quietly dropped. They could totally make him the last of the Old Ones.
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Alchenar posted:It's a sometime-hinted at thing that the Emperor isn't a totally benign altruistic being with humanity's best interests at heart. It would be very 40k if Emperor wasn't; totally validating what Lorgar does and that Chaos really is the only way to salvation. 
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Lyer posted:It would be very 40k if Emperor wasn't; totally validating what Lorgar does and that Chaos really is the only way to salvation. You say salvation, I say 'Soul getting eaten for all eternity.' I quite like the various hints that humanity is developing its psychic potential increasingly rapidly. Hell, in the Horus Heresy novels we see very few psykers who aren't navigators, astropaths, thousand sons, or a rare librarian or five, and not every Legion has much of a librarian unit, yet 10,000 years later librarians are a staple in most chapters (1-10 per thousand marines vs 1 per 10000 or so in the Heresy era by my guess) and the inquisition has psyker ranks of ability, suggesting they are much more common although still fairly rare; and that a lot of people have extremely minor levels of psychic ability, like that one character in the Gaunt's Ghosts series, the youngest ghost. On a somewhat related note, I'd quite like a book of fluff that has nothing but inquisition internal records, from Xenos research to interesting examples of heresy to advice and sayings from veteran inquisitors. VanSandman fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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Jul 12, 2013 01:50
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Was'n't there already one called xenology or something?
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Jul 12, 2013 01:58
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Yes, and it is fantastic. Has a very Lovecraftian vibe to it.
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Jul 12, 2013 03:14
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Is it available anywhere?
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Jul 12, 2013 03:19
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You can find it for sale on amazon usually. Not cheap though. Still pretty happy I got the hardcover complete liber chaotica when I did.
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Jul 12, 2013 03:32
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My main memory of flicking through Xenology is the bit about Eldar reproduction. It was.... well you'd just have to read it.
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Alchenar posted:It's a sometime-hinted at thing that the Emperor isn't a totally benign altruistic being with humanity's best interests at heart. For one thing, he clearly isn't human in the conventional sense. In fact it's somewhat ironic that for a setting that's centred on Humanity and has a fluff rule that stories shouldn't generally be written from the perspective of aliens to preserve the alien-ness of their minds, we actually know less about what actually motivates the Emperor and what his background is than we know about most races. Even less so given the old Inquisitor/Starchild stuff that's been quietly dropped. It could be that The Emp is one of the eight points of Chaos and has been grooming humanity to become his private reserve of sustinance by cutting off the other powers. A single Chaos lord who is powered by an entire race that worships him, and him alone, like a god fueling him. We got Violence, Sense, Pestulance, and change/mutation. The Emp could be pride. Oh god...the whole Heresy could have started simply because mankind got stuck in the middle of a warp civil war / coup de tat.
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Finished Blood Reaver and it is amazing. Uzas does a pretty good job as comic relief. Is it worth it tracking down the core, or should i just skip to the last book?
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MariusLecter posted:What always stuck with me is that scene in LEGION with John Grammaticus. He doesn't say what he physically saw but that the Emperor and him having a little 'immortal psychics' bro moment makes me think he has a better view of what is behind the psychic mask the Emperor puts up. "Bloodthirsty" was the impression he came away with, wasn't it?
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Baron Bifford posted:I haven't read the book but the Wikia entry on this guy says You should preface all your posts with this, as a warning to new posters.
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