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Dr Christmas posted:So here's something utterly horrifying. I wonder how many of them would've shot if they were being followed by a large Hispanic man?
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Azuth0667 posted:Holy poo poo did Or they finally got around to watching Arrested Development. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvgCvT9xX7A&t=4s
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Holy poo poo, a woman wrote that. I was picturing some balding middle-aged overweight buffoon. Nope!
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RetroHelix posted:Holy poo poo, a woman wrote that. I was picturing some balding middle-aged overweight buffoon. Nope! It makes it more palatable if its coming from a Lady's mouth! Now all they need is a series of articles written by women saying that men should have domain over their vaginas.
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Jul 13, 2013 06:13
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Whiteycar posted:It makes it more palatable if its coming from a Lady's mouth! Plenty of women who have even personally had abortions and still believe this.
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So in other "horrific poo poo conservatives are doing in the media" news... this just happened. Link to horrible tweet. Link to what douche bag linked to in horrible tweet.
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A Winner is Jew posted:So in other "horrific poo poo conservatives are doing in the media" news... this just happened. Eh, don't feed the trolls. This is like Limbaugh's old "caller abortions."
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RetroHelix posted:Holy poo poo, a woman wrote that. I was picturing some balding middle-aged overweight buffoon. Nope! Bear in mind, this is the same woman who wrote an article saying that feminism made women unattractive to men so men don't try to be polite or attractive, and so its womens fault they're single for being angry and defensive. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/ She's Fox's resident female misogynist. Her schtick is basically to publish the most degrading, hateful stuff about women that pigs can link, and when called on it, have the weak bullshit about "A woman said it, so it must be okay. You're just a lonely bitchy feminist, so you're just jealous".
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Vekner is the horrible woman who said that a lack of male teachers in Sandy Hook meant the shooter didn't get tackled right? Not just teachers, but even a male janitor or a "particularly burly 5th grader" could've tackled the shooter and saved all those lives. Fulchrum posted:Bear in mind, this is the same woman who wrote an article saying that feminism made women unattractive to men so men don't try to be polite or attractive, and so its womens fault they're single for being angry and defensive. It's great she uses Hanna Rosin's hilarious overreach in "The End of Men" to support her view of the liberal left trying to emasculate men. Rosin's book was so poorly researched most of the basic statistics she used were completely wrong. pentyne fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jul 13, 2013 |
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quote:Yet it is males who suffer in our society. From boyhood through adulthood, the White American Male must fight his way through a litany of taunts, assumptions and grievances about his very existence. His oppression is unlike anything American women have faced. Unlike women, however, men don’t organize and form groups when they’ve been persecuted. They just bow out of the game. I don't even know what to say to this. It's so far outside the realm of reality that I feel like it's impossible to sway someone that actually holds this opinion.
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Amused to Death posted:FOX is apparently taking the approach that Republicans should double down on the white male vote and remind them of how oppressed they are. I am actually flabbergasted by this! Is this opinion popular at all? Because if so...Jesus Christ!
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Damonic posted:I am actually flabbergasted by this! Is this opinion popular at all? Because if so...Jesus Christ! It's becoming a major Thing, yeah.
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Damonic posted:I am actually flabbergasted by this! Is this opinion popular at all? Because if so...Jesus Christ! Um, yes. The white persecution complex is huge among conservatives.
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You see it's racist when you tax a wealthy white man to pay for a poor black kid's way through college but it isn't racist when the wealthy white man
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ToxicSlurpee posted:You see it's racist when you tax a wealthy white man to pay for a poor black kid's way through college but it isn't racist when the wealthy white man The thing that's really infuriating about that article, actually, is that I have heard that exact argument or something disturbingly close to it many times in person, in churches, dinners with lots of people, etc. it's an incredibly common opinion. The reason for this is that as privileged as your average low income white person is, it still feels quite hard to get by, because it is. So of course being told it is easy for you is offensive and they will lash out at whoever says it.
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A Winner is Jew posted:So in other "horrific poo poo conservatives are doing in the media" news... this just happened. I actually buy a lot of coat hangers from that website. Does that mean my store is actually an abortion clinic? I better see the local city government about getting approved for this and up my cleanliness standards then; I have an obligation to the public.
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Fulchrum posted:Bear in mind, this is the same woman who wrote an article saying that feminism made women unattractive to men so men don't try to be polite or attractive, and so its womens fault they're single for being angry and defensive. Tatum Girlparts posted:Vekner is the horrible woman who said that a lack of male teachers in Sandy Hook meant the shooter didn't get tackled right?
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XyloJW posted:Suzanne Vekner is also Phyllis Schlafly's niece. I'm sure it's no coincidence. Goddamn really? These people are just all connected in a terrible web of nepotism and hate, huh?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Goddamn really? These people are just all connected in a terrible web of nepotism and hate, huh? Yeah, the web includes one of every kind of minority so you can have a [blank] friend and talk poo poo about that group. See: Michelle Malkin.
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SedanChair posted:Yeah, the web includes one of every kind of minority so you can have a [blank] friend and talk poo poo about that group. See: Michelle Malkin. You liberals, always making everything about race/sex/orientation, anyway let's trot out the woman we keep around to say women are inferior...
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Tatum Girlparts posted:You liberals, always making everything about race/sex/orientation, anyway let's trot out the woman we keep around to say women are inferior... "We conservatives judge people based on their character whereas you judge people on their skin color! You're the real racists!  "
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It can't be easy to convince someone to go out there and say "As a [x], we are all lesser. We suck. Please oppress us more, we really deserve it." You have to raise them steeped in that poo poo straight from birth. If the GOP knows what's good for it, they've got a farm somewhere where they're raising the next generation of pundits.
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Cardboard Box A posted:Neo-Florida is about to EXPLODE Jones isn't the only one excited about a possible race war, Drudge loves that stuff.  edit Fulchrum posted:Bear in mind, this is the same woman who wrote an article saying that feminism made women unattractive to men so men don't try to be polite or attractive, and so its womens fault they're single for being angry and defensive. Dude looks like the witchdoctor from Beetlejuice. 
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Goddamn really? These people are just all connected in a terrible web of nepotism and hate, huh? Her publicist is also Karl Rove's media liaison 
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Two things about that Venker article. First, this came from it:quote:Plus, many schools have eliminated recess. Such an environment is unhealthy for boys, for they are active by nature and need to run around. When I read this all I could think of was a litter of puppies. Second, and I think I'm correct here, the one and only time she uses the word "white" is in the next to the last paragraph in the article and then she refers to "White American Male", capitalization is her's here. So if you start the article, you think well she's talking about all males in general and its not until that paragraph at the end that she lowers the boom and lets you know that she's making a racist rant.
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Ho Chi Mint posted:Rush has been saying that line about feminists since the late 80's. It's nothing new. I get that part, I just couldn't figure out why Rush was trying to imply that feminists would support such a ruling, ostensibly because feminists hate pretty girls I guess. It seems to me that any feminist I can think of would be rightfully pissed off. Listening to Rush bend over backwards and smash non-interlocking puzzle pieces together to try and bring this verdict in line with his "Obama is a Socialist", feminists are liberals and fit the entire matter into "Liberalsuckville" was really something to behold. I'm still not sure what he was on about. I'm pretty sure he supports employers being able to fire anyone at any time for any reason, but since this ruling is so strange, he had to tie into something beyond "this dude who fired this lady is a dick" and it must somehow be the fault of liberals. Speaking of the Zimmerman case, Hannity's been going on and on wondering why liberals are always trying to divide the country (by making this case about race). Because Hannity would never do that, you see. "Coming up next, ACORN, the New Black Panthers, voter fraud, voter ID laws, a segment on affirmative action, food stamps and Jeremiah Wright. Also James O'Keefe will be joining us to tell us why Obama was born in Kenya. New revelations after the break." Hannity really is the worst of all the people we're discussing in this thread. XyloJW posted:It can't be easy to convince someone to go out there and say "As a [x], we are all lesser. We suck. Please oppress us more, we really deserve it." You have to raise them steeped in that poo poo straight from birth. If the GOP knows what's good for it, they've got a farm somewhere where they're raising the next generation of pundits. "Why do you make me keep beating you, honey?" Warchicken posted:The thing that's really infuriating about that article, actually, is that I have heard that exact argument or something disturbingly close to it many times in person, in churches, dinners with lots of people, etc. it's an incredibly common opinion. The reason for this is that as privileged as your average low income white person is, it still feels quite hard to get by, because it is. So of course being told it is easy for you is offensive and they will lash out at whoever says it. I never get why most of these people fail to understand how wealth is largely a generational issue. The same way that wealth perpetuates itself in families, so does poverty. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jul 13, 2013 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Hannity really is the worst of all the people we're discussing in this thread. This right here is why I come to this thread, Rush is terrible but there is something about the self assured smugness of Hannity that makes me want to punch my radio. I love anything trahsing on and making fun of Hannity, he is a human turd.
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poor nose posted:This right here is why I come to this thread, Rush is terrible but there is something about the self assured smugness of Hannity that makes me want to punch my radio. I love anything trahsing on and making fun of Hannity, he is a human turd. Hannity is definitely the worst of the bunch. He's really the only right wing pundit that I just refuse to listen to. The smugness is part of it but he also has this dull viciousness that just oozes out of him.
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RetroHelix posted:Holy poo poo, a woman wrote that. I was picturing some balding middle-aged overweight buffoon. Nope! "Bill Cosby does it again!"
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Because nobody told them that when they were young. Their parents told them they earned every cent through their sweat and tears and that's what they believe. To change that belief would be calling their parents both lazy, and liars. Same for themselves. I'm speaking of the emotional reality of it for them, not the real reality, and that is what matters to most people. Nice Davis posted:If Hannity was the one true believer he would have gotten himself waterboarded as he promised, come up spluttering and gasping with tears in his eyes, and still maintained that it's not torture. He's just a loving smug shill. I want them to claim its no big deal and they can last x amount of minutes or admit it is torture and then get humiliated because they literally don't last three seconds. empty whippet box fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jul 13, 2013 |
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Amused to Death posted:I think Hannity may in fact be the one true believer. If Hannity was the one true believer he would have gotten himself waterboarded as he promised, come up spluttering and gasping with tears in his eyes, and still maintained that it's not torture. He's just a loving smug shill.
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Warchicken posted:Because nobody told them that when they were young. Their parents told them they earned every cent through their sweat and tears and that's what they believe. To change that belief would be calling their parents both lazy, and liars. Same for themselves. I'm speaking of the emotional reality of it for them, not the real reality, and that is what matters to most people. Sometimes I feel like the only person born on 3rd that doesn't feel offended that people don't think I hit a homerun. I worked hard, but gently caress if I didn't have it loving easy as poo poo compared to people I know who actually had it hard. Hell, one of the lawyers I worked with jumped the fence in the 80s and worked typical undocumented jobs, was legalized through the 80s amnesty, worked poo poo jobs, went to ucsd, law school, and finally just got his citizenship. How the gently caress can anyone in my situation not think they had it easy? Also, gently caress the assholes who think "illegals" are worthless and should all be sent back.
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nm posted:Sometimes I feel like the only person born on 3rd that doesn't feel offended that people don't think I hit a homerun. I worked hard, but gently caress if I didn't have it loving easy as poo poo compared to people I know who actually had it hard. Anyone in your situation should realized the utter depravity and sorrow and misery that is a result of the existence of the rich. The economy is a zero sum game, and if you're sleeping on a bed worth ten thousand dollars, eating food that costs a hundred dollars a meal, driving a car that costs fifty thousand dollars and living in a house that costs a million, that means there's like a thousand people sleeping in the streets, starving to death because that amount of "excess" wealth has been transferred to your life instead of theirs. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but to explain why people don't think about or admit this. I'm lad you seem to admit it, but is it emotionally real to you, those people starving out there? Also, it seems really incremental, but the aggregate of all that siphoned wealth could be represented the way I just did for understanding purposes, but it's really more like every rich person taking a small fraction of that from everyone in the country, not any one specifically. So the victims are nameless, faceless, an other. What this all adds up to is it not only being emotionally impossible to carry around these beliefs without thinking about(no offense) how selfish you really are unless you excuse it somehow. Not only that, but it's not their fault it is like that and it is very difficult to understand or explain why it is like that, especially when it means breaking down these false beliefs and basically telling someone they are a heartless selfish monster because they live the life they were born into. Rich people are so insulated from the suffering their richness causes they don't just not believe it exists, if it is proven to exist, they find a way to blame the poor for it because the alternative is admitting that they are the worst kind of horrible monster in the world and in their head they are not that. They are just living their lives and they don't get it.
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Warchicken posted:Anyone in your situation should realized the utter depravity and sorrow and misery that is a result of the existence of the rich. The economy is a zero sum game, and if you're sleeping on a bed worth ten thousand dollars, eating food that costs a hundred dollars a meal, driving a car that costs fifty thousand dollars and living in a house that costs a million, that means there's like a thousand people sleeping in the streets, starving to death because that amount of "excess" wealth has been transferred to your life instead of theirs. It is absolutely real to me, which is why I didn't go to big law and became a public defender. If there's a job that makes you understand how you were just a few bits of luck from being in poverty, it is that. What is amazing to me is how virtually everyone else on the system, who has contact with real poverty daily, doesn't. Probation officers who refuse clients bus passes because they are "rewards," and them disbelieve that they can't afford the 3 bucks to get to probation. Judges who eat that poo poo up: "if you could afford that meth that sent you to prison, you can afford a bus pass." Meanwhile, rich drug addicts avoid jail because they can afford rehab and therefore are "making an effort" (at 80k/mo Passages Malibu, where they get a loving butler). It is clearly engrained in the psyche, especially in my right-wing county, but still amazing. These people are not exactly sheltered. Many POs have been supervising these kids since juveniles and may have supervised their parents. They will rattle off their parents beating the poo poo out of these kids, having people executed in front of them, the massive mental health problems, and still gleefully recommend prison (because they are adults and have to take responsibility) for simple possession or require my client to be homeless because the one place they can live has a convicted felon living there (mom). I'm not sure what loving leaps they have to take to get there, but I'm told they somehow sleep well at night.
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nm posted:Sometimes I feel like the only person born on 3rd that doesn't feel offended that people don't think I hit a homerun. I worked hard, but gently caress if I didn't have it loving easy as poo poo compared to people I know who actually had it hard. Agreeing with this. I'm not wealthy by any measure but over the course of two years, I lost my Father, my step mother and my grandma (also my son was born during this time), so it was sad and and uplifting and crazy all at the same time there, but there was a bit of money and property inherited and I'd be a selfish fool not to recognize that. A lot of people, when their family members die, may not inherit anything but more debt (hospital bills, mortgages, creditors, etc.), so along with losing their loved ones, a lot of times they can barely afford to even bury them. I've learned a lot about this stuff over the last three years and, while I don't necessarily feel "lucky", since I'd prefer my son had grandparents, I'm acutely aware of the advantage I have and the things it allows me to do. I mean, right now, my wife and I are trying to decide which house to live in and the logistics at times feel like a pain in the rear end. Everyone should have my problems, right? How much of a dick would I have to be not to know that? E: Warchicken posted:People with more money than other people suck. This is twice you've gone off on this sort of tangent in this thread and the last time you did it, people asked you where you draw the line (how much is too much), which I don't recall you answering. Reading your posts, it sounds like you think that anyone with more money than anyone else should feel bad about and give it all away. If ti helps, when I inherited what I have, I gave a poo poo ton of it away, donated to Betty Griffin House, gave some furniture to some kid moving off to college, gave potty chairs and poo poo like that to nursing homes, etc. You talk about millionaires and $50,000 cars but I've never really heard you say where the point is that someone has too much. To put in perspective, the money I'm talking about is six figures and the car I got is worth about $35,000. Should I give my car away and drive a Ford Escort or what? I'd like to keep this thread on topic but you seem to have an unusual hard on for anyone who has any money at all. If I'm wrong, please clarify, or maybe we can take it to more appropriate thread. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 13, 2013 |
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^^^ I thought about it, this is pretty much my answer. But this right here is how it gets justified. You're here acknowledging it, openly saying you know how bad it is. This assuages your guilt. But...are you selling that and giving it to people who need it? No. (I'm not saying you should, it's just a perfect example. I don't know your life of course.) and of course it probably doesn't really assuage that guilt, but it obviously does the trick for the people rich enough to actually be the people I am talking about. And of course your gut reaction is most likely(understandably) 'hey gently caress you, you don't know what I need.' And I don't. Where is the threshold for "you have too much and now I am allowed to say horrible poo poo about you and demand you make massive sacrifice out of the good of your heart'? This wedge is very effective in keeping us poors from storming the mansions and taking it. There's so many layers of "it's not my fault though, I'm a good person". So, so many. The line is probably somewhere underneath a hundred million dollars though. There's nobody to make that judgement call, there never could be. empty whippet box fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jul 13, 2013 |
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Warchicken posted:The line is probably somewhere underneath a hundred million dollars though. No one needs $100 million.* *Unless I hit powerball.
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nm posted:No one needs $100 million.* "murder is wrong" -George Zimmerman -OJ Simpson -Murderers who murder
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