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Taliesyn posted:I was thinking more about how prospective employers like to call previous employers and find out if, at the very least, you're eligible for re-hire. You've already resigned. Unless the company is mom-&-pop tiny or everyone in HR and legal is sleeping with your extraordinarily vengeful boss, they're not going to suddenly make up some reason to have fired you for cause just because you said something negative in an exit interview (assuming you don't say it by taking a poo poo on your boss's desk and then burning down the building, of course). Whatever you say, just put it politely and try to make it sound constructive rather than petty. It is pretty unlikely that anything you say will have any effect on the company, but it's always remotely possible that at some point there might be someone in upper management with half a brain who will actually read all these exit interviews and just maybe try to change something for the better. And if your boss is literally trying to get you to commit actual criminal fraud, that's something that upper management and/or HR really does need to know about (assuming your entire company isn't in some shady business to begin with). They may not give two shits about morale or employee retention, but they will care about the potential liability from the criminal activity of one of their employees.
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Don't bother trying to get him for the fraud, you gain nothing from it and have something to lose. Just say you found a better opportunity elsewhere, and leave it at that.
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I work on the top floor of a building. When quitting time comes, the elevator is 60% full. Suddenly our descent is interrupted before any occupant's destination. The doors open and we see someone else wanting to descend who sees they have to be within three inches of someone and states "I'll get the next one." You motherfucker. If you are going to push the button and interrupt my departure, have the dedication to get in there. We are no where near exceeding the weight limit of this elevator and your refusal to get on reflects a lack of respect for my time, and the time of every other worker trying to go home.
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Jul 11, 2013 05:45
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Harry posted:Don't bother trying to get him for the fraud, you gain nothing from it and have something to lose. Just say you found a better opportunity elsewhere, and leave it at that. This, but there's nothing stopping you from contacting the HR people from your old job after you get a new job
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Jul 11, 2013 08:03
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Taliesyn posted:I really need to decide if I want to play nice so I can get a positive reference or tell HR the truth. Never burn bridges, it will come back to bite you in the rear end and it is not like you owe the company honesty or something. Besides, they are unused to it anyway if I understand correctly.
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Taliesyn posted:Tomorrow I get to have my exit interview for the place that was vastly under-paying me while my boss kept trying to get me to commit fraud for him. Companys don't want honesty. They want sycophantic slaves.
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Jul 11, 2013 09:53
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Sometimes I'm really glad I live in a country where it's illegal for someone to give you a lovely reference (not that any of mine have ever been called, even for my security clearance). The worst they can say here is yes so and so worked here.
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The worst they can legally say is yes so and so worked here from date x to date y. That doesn't mean a lovely company that breaks laws isn't going to give a crummy review, however. This is exactly why I listed multiple coworkers and the contract manager that resulted in my hiring at my last company and specifically did not list the company owner. I know he's a shady person (witnessed all sorts of incredibly illegal actions in my time there, and in fact had to refuse to do stuff like that a few times - bribery of building maintenance, backdating paperwork, forging signatures, casual and overt racism, drugs, the company has basically imploded in the year and a half since I left, they screwed over a contractor friend of mine there by failing to file tax info for an entire year, then "making up for it" by claiming they paid him twice as much the next year, pushing him into a higher bracket and loving up his finances pretty badly because as a contractor he wasn't subject to tax withholding so now he literally owes the IRS more than he had in his savings account) and didn't want anyone ever talking to him for any reason. I put up with that poo poo for way too long because I needed the money and was working so many hours so far from home I didn't have time to interview elsewhere. Then I jumped when they tried to get me to move to Newark NJ because I was pretty sure I'd rather die than do that. And then (as far as I know) they didn't actually call any of the references I gave them anyways. Works for me either way, I told everyone I listed (after asking, of course) to be brutally honest and say exactly what they thought of me. kastein fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jul 11, 2013 |
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kastein posted:The worst they can legally say is yes so and so worked here from date x to date y. Don't believe people when they say this.
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Oh? That's what I've always heard, and I've seen nothing to contradict it, so I figured it was the truth. What are companies legally allowed to say, then?
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kastein posted:Oh? That's what I've always heard, and I've seen nothing to contradict it, so I figured it was the truth. What are companies legally allowed to say, then? Whatever they want. You can sue them for lying about stuff though, so most companies just go with "yes, they worked here from Aug 2010 to Sep 2011" to mitigate that risk.
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mllaneza posted:Get the reference from a co-worker or HR. Problem solved. Absolutely this - co-workers are an immediate go-to for me when it comes to references. Most of my bosses have been pretty cool, but I've had a couple that were utter dickbags and resented that I decided to quit my job, regardless of the reasons. Getting a reference from someone you worked with is a better bet, especially if you had a good relationship with them while you worked together. A few of my jobs have actually come my way as a result of someone I worked with recommending me for a position, and the company calling me versus me applying and waiting for a response.
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I never understood people who are honest in their performance review self-evaluations. You're seriously actually telling them what you need to improve on? And linking it to deep personality flaws? What are you thinking?
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Defenestration posted:I never understood people who are honest in their performance review self-evaluations. You're seriously actually telling them what you need to improve on? And linking it to deep personality flaws? What are you thinking? Make the goal realistic with metrics to actually achieve and the self-evaluation can be used by your manager to set some goals for you. I think that's the purpose of it. Helps to bargain for the next raise/what not.
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 So our employee survey shows you're unsatisfied with the tools you have to do your jobs. What's up with that? Well, our ticket management system is horrible. You can't search the text of tickets, it's bogged down in meaningless processes, and everyone just uses their own system to actually track ticket progress. So we should find a better solution to that. We can't change the ticket system. It's integrated with everything else. Nobody on our teams uses those tools. We'd be fine without that integration. Half the things in it require you to manually copy/paste information to find records in other areas anyway. Right but we can't get rid of it. I don't like it either, but management wants it. Well, that's what's wrong. The next thing is why you don't think management does a good job addressing employee complaints. Will they change the ticketing system? No. That's our main complaint. It impedes us in all of our major job functions. Yes, it does.
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fivre posted:
At my old job, my immediate supervisor would have gotten slammed for this. Not because they were the same issues - too much work, poor tools that added to the work, etc - but because the manager's job was convince us that everything was ok. It was a very odd company. There would be odd directives from the top that would make your life worse, and you were supposed to follow them without question. They called this Leadership. So employees complaining or making decent suggestions that in any way called into question upper management's decisions meant that the employees' manager was lacking in Leadership.
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SubjectVerbObject posted:the manager's job was convince us that everything was ok Our manager got some of the lowest marks for various leadership metrics. Apparently this is mostly because the other managers met with their teams to tell them how to fill out the employee survey.
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There's one company I've heard of where 10% of every employee's annual performance review is based on the aggregate responses to the employee survey. Needless to say, the survey numbers are awesome and management uses them to trumpet how great a place it is to work.
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EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:Whatever they want. You don't even sue them, just a report to the Labour board means they will come down like a nuclear bomb on a company. The Labour Board and WSIB rulings are the same as a court ruling and have the same impact as a Federal court ruling and go 90%+ to a workers complaint. Companies do not want to risk that.
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sbaldrick posted:You don't even sue them, just a report to the Labour board means they will come down like a nuclear bomb on a company. The Labour Board and WSIB rulings are the same as a court ruling and have the same impact as a Federal court ruling and go 90%+ to a workers complaint. Companies do not want to risk that. Really? drat, I should have reported my old racist boss when I had the chance!
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sbaldrick posted:You don't even sue them, just a report to the Labour board means they will come down like a nuclear bomb on a company. Must be nice to live in a country that spells "Labor" with a "u". Alas, not every nation is so generous with extra vowels or worker's rights.
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At my previous job, I worked for a law firm where the review system was based on interviewing like 20 people you worked with and basically having them fill out a scorecard from "Poor to Excellent". You could only get a raise if you averaged "Excellent". No one averaged "Excellent" because attorneys could give two fucks about filling out those cards, so they just marked everyone "Good". They told us this was the way it was going to be after showing the firm's record profits for the year.
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I assume that the law firm had an "up or out" promotion scheme, which is real good for promoting teamwork. Got to love fighting with your coworkers for the few promotion slots available, knowing that the losers will be out of a job. I have to wonder what genius came up with that idea and why it has stuck around for so long.
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dennyk posted:Must be nice to live in a country that spells "Labor" with a "u". Alas, not every nation is so generous with extra vowels or worker's rights. We spell it with a 'u' in Hong Kong and I have to say I am so envious of you Americans with your 40-hours work weeks and 1.5x overtime. I get 1.25x and I'm drat thankful for it. Most people here go uncompensated. Welcome to the world's freest economy.
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Bloodnose posted:We spell it with a 'u' in Hong Kong and I have to say I am so envious of you Americans with your 40-hours work weeks and 1.5x overtime. I get 1.25x and I'm drat thankful for it. Most people here go uncompensated. Overtime? What overtime? I haven't seen overtime since high school.
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Our newly appointed Morale Officer (which is a newly created admin-level job) asked in a meeting for suggestions on what to do to improve morale and then went on to ask, "What do [employees] expect us to do, thank them?" Yes. You idiot. edit: clarity
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ItalicSquirrels posted:Morale Officer  Holy loving poo poo is that an actual thing?Just flood the fucker with articles about laboUr laws in Norway, that's a good start.
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Konstantin posted:I assume that the law firm had an "up or out" promotion scheme, which is real good for promoting teamwork. Got to love fighting with your coworkers for the few promotion slots available, knowing that the losers will be out of a job. I have to wonder what genius came up with that idea and why it has stuck around for so long. The root of the problem with law firms is that they are run by lawyers.
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ItalicSquirrels posted:Our newly appointed Morale Officer (which is a newly created admin-level job) asked in a meeting for suggestions on what to do to improve morale and then went on to ask, "What do [employees] expect us to do, thank them?" Yes. You idiot. Not to mention that the question is easily answered by reversing it. ask "How can we lower morale?" and then do the opposite. ..at least that worked for me when I was a manager.
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Oakey posted:The root of the problem with law firms is that they are run by lawyers.
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Oakey posted:The root of the problem with law firms is that they are run by lawyers. I work in a law firm. I'm quoting this because it is the truest truth there is.
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I'm sure you all remember me bitching about my coworker with her fake "back injury". I now have a bulged disc in my neck, I was in excruciating pain this morning so I went to the doctor and rolled in about 2.5 hours late (after texting my boss that I was in the process of dying at about 6 AM). Because I'm not milking it to its full extent and instead sitting in my cube in silent misery no one seems to believe that I'm injured. And when I got in this morning I very nearly emailed my boss that I had a diagnosis of a "bulged dick" 
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:
Sounds like the start of one of those office pornos
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I've always found it funny that everyone has had a back injury but nobody believes anyone who says they have one.
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At least I was out doing stuff with coworkers when I got injured, so at least I have some backup if anyone's a dick about it.
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:At least I was out doing stuff with coworkers when I got injured, so at least I have some backup if anyone's a disk about it. Fixed that for you.
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I need some advice. I've been wanting to quit my current job for over a week, but my manager has been out of the office. She was supposed to be back yesterday, but took a sick day instead. I had originally wanted to be out by the 25th, but obviously that's less than two weeks away now. What's the etiquette on going to my manager's boss if she's still not there today? Normally I like to give notice directly, but it's just getting silly at this point.
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Harry posted:I've always found it funny that everyone has had a back injury but nobody believes anyone who says they have one. I blame cheap office chairs.
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miryei posted:I need some advice. I've been wanting to quit my current job for over a week, but my manager has been out of the office. She was supposed to be back yesterday, but took a sick day instead. I had originally wanted to be out by the 25th, but obviously that's less than two weeks away now. What's the etiquette on going to my manager's boss if she's still not there today? E-mail your boss with an official note of resignation and a suggested final date. CC in HR. Why have you not done this the day you wanted to resign? I guess if you really loved your boss and wanted to let them know to their face you would wait for them to get back, however then you wouldn't be posting about it in this thread. quote:I've always found it funny that everyone has had a back injury but nobody believes anyone who says they have one. You say this however I was once out to lunch with my boss and as he got up from the chair in the restaurant he slipped a disk. By the time he has got to the door his face was bright red. By the time we got back to the office he was almost catatonic and could barely move. I had to go and buy him a load of codine so he could move. He somehow stumbled home and laid on his back by his front door. The next day he phoned a doctor to get him something stronger and he had to get a taxi to bring it to his house and put the painkillers through the mailbox right by his head. Back injuries are horrible things. Dravs fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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miryei posted:I need some advice. I've been wanting to quit my current job for over a week, but my manager has been out of the office. She was supposed to be back yesterday, but took a sick day instead. I had originally wanted to be out by the 25th, but obviously that's less than two weeks away now. What's the etiquette on going to my manager's boss if she's still not there today? Send an email. EDIT: Sorry, I left the window open too long.
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