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Cosby has done it again!quote:BILL HAS GONE AND DONE IT AGAIN... quote:Critics also fear that citing failures of lower-income blacks to make the most of educational opportunities and to eschew choices that limit potential for success (poor use of language, early parenting, often unpartnered) gives white people the much-welcomed easy out of declaring themselves devoid of any responsibility for the cause or continuation of black poverty in America: "See? It's not us that puts them in the ghettos or keeps them there, it's them." Such disavowal, while comforting to those who instinctively seize it when it appears to have been offered, ignores the possibility of racial economic disparity's being the result of a combination of contributing factors rather than an either/or "If you did it, then I didn't" proposition.  quote:When Barack Obama met with Queen Elizabeth II, the Queen of England , he asked her One more from this guy. quote:Sadly, major radio stations wouldn't play it because it was considered politically incorrect'. 
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AShamefulDisplay posted:Cosby has done it again! Bill Cosby actually did say that one.. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/cosby.asp
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Jul 15, 2013 23:53
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vyelkin posted:Bill Cosby actually did say that one.. I am aware. My second quote box came from snopes. I cant really attack Cosby for what he said, but this gently caress who posted it on facebook is like an 80 year old white dude who often times boarders on white nationalism.
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Jul 15, 2013 23:56
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quote:When Barack Obama met with Queen Elizabeth II, the Queen of England , he asked her I love how with this story you can know in the first two lines to just stop reading. It's efficient.
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Jul 15, 2013 23:58
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It's also incredibly lazy. The whole "joke" is a madlib with five topical name blanks in it. You can almost see where "Bill Clinton" and "Al Gore" have been crossed out.
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Jul 16, 2013 00:02
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AShamefulDisplay posted:Who will think of the poor oppressed Christians who never get their way Ah this would be the lovely "in god we still trust" song that was recorded in 2006 - http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/diamondrio.asp Of course, if you link this he'll immediately home in on the bit about the judge stopped it being played at a school.
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Jul 16, 2013 00:05
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Myst Hat posted:It's also incredibly lazy. The whole "joke" is a madlib with five topical name blanks in it. You can almost see where "Bill Clinton" and "Al Gore" have been crossed out. It's literally generational; I've seen the exact same joke except with GWB and Cheney, and I'll see it again with President Christie and VP Rubio if that's who we get in 2016.
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Jul 16, 2013 00:11
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Myst Hat posted:It's also incredibly lazy. The whole "joke" is a madlib with five topical name blanks in it. You can almost see where "Bill Clinton" and "Al Gore" have been crossed out. The first time I read this joke, it was Bush and Cheney. I don't recall people making fun of Clinton for being stupid. Then again, I was in elementary school at the time, so I could be mistaken.
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Jul 16, 2013 00:15
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Welp, this happened. Starts with some false equivalency, adds a dash of "reverse racism" and "personal responsibility"  
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Jul 16, 2013 00:17
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Honestly the only response you really need to all that is "No, I have privilege because I don't need any of that to still come out ahead of minorities without even trying very hard." And then link the resume study or something.
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Jul 16, 2013 00:30
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AShamefulDisplay posted:
I hate it that this is a thing. That conservatives are half-assing repackaging Bush jokes. Of course, could be worse, they could try to come up with actual Obama jokes, where every punchline is friend of the family.
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Jul 16, 2013 00:31
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vyelkin posted:Honestly the only response you really need to all that is "No, I have privilege because I don't need any of that to still come out ahead of minorities without even trying very hard." This is before birtherism was even a thought in Orly Taitz's nutty brain. EDIT: Heh, Devos and Banaji 2005...apparently science is almost to a point they could have predicted birthers. Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Jul 16, 2013 00:43
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Edit: Sorry, misread the responses.
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Jul 16, 2013 00:53
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AShamefulDisplay posted:I am aware. My second quote box came from snopes. I cant really attack Cosby for what he said, but this gently caress who posted it on facebook is like an 80 year old white dude who often times boarders on white nationalism. It's like that one Chris Rock sketch. A black man discussing what he feels about his community that has been misappropriated by old racist fucks.
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Jul 16, 2013 01:38
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Cosby: We cannot just blame white people for all of our problems; we also have to take responsibility for our own actions. Cosby didn't say, because everyone in the room already knows: That said, we need help; it is sometimes literally impossible to both be a good parent and give a child, or children, the attention they need AND put food on the table. In addition, it's not a situation in which you can just blink and WILL the people to become responsible. It takes long-term solutions because it's a long-term problem. How do you expect people to become good parents if they themselves are the product of a miserable childhood, environment, and education? People can't teach what they don't know. (But what I'm saying is, we've got to take the first step and admit that it's a problem.) Some people's interpretation of Cosby: It's not that a disproportionate percent of black people are poor and uneducated, it's that a disproportionate percent of poor and uneducated people are black! (Is that last bit there too subtle? Both are true, technically, so I'm really not sure if I made my point correctly.)
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Jul 16, 2013 03:22
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Michelle Alexander in The New Jim Crow makes a pretty good point about such sermonizing. Everyone in the room realizes they're saying good, important things, but white people act like it's surprising that black men want to be good fathers. She goes on to argue that the real elephant in the room is the fact that the entire criminal justice system is aligned against black men, period, and it's hard to be a good father when you're in prison or destitute or a released felon, which huge numbers of black men are. That book is really good but man it's depressing.
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Jul 16, 2013 03:37
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Gen. Ripper posted:It's literally generational; I've seen the exact same joke except with GWB and Cheney, and I'll see it again with President Christie and VP Rubio if that's who we get in 2016. I'm pretty sure you can do that with 99 percent of all political jokes. I read Dead Funny a few months ago, and one of the jokes the book mentions could work just as well today if you swapped out the names: quote:A mortally wounded soldier is about to die and calls a nurse. He says, “I’m going to die as a soldier and I’d like to know for whom I’ve given my life.” The nurse answers: “You are dying for the Führer and the German people.” The soldier asks, “Can the Führer come to my bedside?” The nurse says: “No, that’s not possible, but I’ll bring you a picture of him.” The soldier tells her to put it on the right-hand side of his bed and then says, “I was in the Luftwaffe.” So the nurse brings him a picture of Göring and puts it to the left of the bed. Then the soldier says, “Now I can die like Jesus.”
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Jul 16, 2013 03:44
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  I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I'm not big fan of Obamacare either, but how can someone be so deluded?
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Jul 16, 2013 05:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:
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Jul 16, 2013 05:16
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vyelkin posted:And then link the resume study or something. welp: some racist posted:In response to your links I would only have this to offer; In todays society we have allowed political correctness to put up too many walls to true scientific investigation. If I were to produce a study saying there was no racial bias in hiring practices I would be deemed a racist. If I step forward and say Trayvon was more guilty of an illegal act than Zimmerman was because he assaulted him I am undoubtedly called a racist. In an environment such as that I can't accept the validity of any pseudo academic study. Especially one of such a small sample size and quite frankly a preposterous investigational technique like black sounding names. But, even if you do ascribe to these studies results, you still cannot deny or ignore the reverse racism present in todays culture, led first and foremost by a liberal media. From endless frivolous racial lawsuits (crackerbarrel restaurant comes to mind) to the asinine actions the federal government takes. and apparently this from 2011: http://lonelyconservative.com/2011/03/obama-admin-makes-dayton-oh-police-department-lower-standards-to-accommodate-minorities/ is this a real thing? aBagorn fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Jul 16, 2013 11:25
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aBagorn posted:welp: Well, it's pretty much hopeless trying to argue with him if his response to literal scientific studies is "That science is wrong because my gut says so." Confirmation bias won't let him accept any evidence that disagrees with his own racist worldview. That being said, it may still be worth at least some response in case anyone 'on the fence' is reading the conversation. For example, since he brought up Zimmerman, you could mention that Stand Your Ground laws are disproportionately used to justify white people killing black people, but that even without them white people are still several times more likely to be given a verdict of justifiable homicide, because of systemic racism in American society and the justice system. Similarly to how 'black' crimes like crack possession are punished so much more harshly than 'white' crimes like cocaine possession, or how the War on Drugs is used to enforce racism through the law (black people are three to ten times more likely to be arrested, tried, and sent to jail for drug crimes as white people, despite similar rates of drug use). Or about the Ohio police thing, did it ever occur to him that maybe the police legitimately were discriminating against black candidates by grading them more harshly and preventing them from being considered for hiring? If an all-black police department conveniently found that all white applicants failed their test and couldn't be hired, it would be an enormous scandal and probably 'evidence' that the Obama DoJ was racist, just like this supposedly is. Remember that supposedly objective tests being used to disenfranchise black people has a long history in the United States. You could also always ask him why he automatically believes the local sheriff's side of the story over the Department of Justice's side... could it maybe be because the local sheriff is white and the DoJ is headed by a black man and commanded by a different black man? The problem with bringing any of this up with said racist is that any evidence you can present will either be ignored or somehow twisted to fit his worldview, because that's what the brain does when presented evidence doesn't match a preexisting belief. But again, it's not really for him but for the invisible third party observer.
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Jul 16, 2013 12:01
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aBagorn posted:welp: Yes Straight from the horse's mouth. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/February/09-crt-172.html Check the date Thursday, February 26, 2009. That dastardly Obama works quickly, don't you think? The reality is obviously more complicated, but basically the testing they were using violated the Civil Rights Act because when it was introduced the number of minority recruits passing dropped from about 25% to 6%, and they could not demonstrate that this standard to be "job related and consistent with business necessity, in accordance with the requirements of Title VII."
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Jul 16, 2013 12:08
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 Oooh I know! I know! When a white teenager was murdered, the police didn't need a media blitz to shame them into charging the killer.
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Jul 16, 2013 13:45
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Oh! Is Marley's killer currently sitting in jail? Is that it? Or is it that he wasn't hunted down and murdered because he was white.
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Jul 16, 2013 13:51
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VitalSigns posted:
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Jul 16, 2013 13:58
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People don't "get" the difference. The only thing that matters to them is media sensation since there couldn't possibly by an imbalance on how the system itself operates in regards to members of different segments of society. Lion's death triggered an immediate reaction to find the killers and at no point did anyone infer that he might have caused his own death by being the aggressor. The real story of Martin and Zimmerman and why it's a national issue isn't about the killing but the gross difference in how the justice system, from the police to the court to the prison, handles the killing of a white teenager to that of a black one along with the slander of the deceased and the profiling that led to the killing. No one felt the need to look into Lion's facebook history to find that he may have done something stupid or "bad" that teenagers do; just that he was an honor student. Zimmerman's trial wasn't his own, it was the trial of the kid he killed and why it was acceptable. I know that mostly this is preaching to the choir but the way that macro is going so far over the head of the person that made it is infuriating.
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Jul 16, 2013 16:13
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My brother posted a picture of a white girl that was killed by two black boys and stuffed into a garbage can saying "how did this not get national attention". I came in telling him that because the suspects were found and charged days later and with pretty good evidence they'll be charged. Compared to the Zimmerman case where it took months of police bungling for any sort of charges and court over supposed self-defense killing. I also mentioned that for every big story, there's always going to be dozens or hundreds of stories like it that don't rise to the top for varying reasons. My brother and his right-leaning buddies actually liked my comment. I'm slowly starting to get him to understand that just because it's posted online on Facebook, doesn't mean you assume everything to be related. He's starting to get that he should Google poo poo and read news stories on the subject. He also stopped sharing Uncle Sam's Misguided Children poo poo because I told him a lot of their poo poo is bigotry and people hoping for riots so they can shoot people. And that there are better avenues to support if you want to get your voice heard.
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Jul 16, 2013 16:27
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AShamefulDisplay posted:I am aware. My second quote box came from snopes. I cant really attack Cosby for what he said, but this gently caress who posted it on facebook is like an 80 year old white dude who often times boarders on white nationalism. Well, see, Bill is one of the good ones, so it's okay.
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Jul 16, 2013 16:53
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http://www.bondaction.org/content/article/37076/Black%20Racism%20killed%20Trayvon One of my Facebook friends (who I can always count on to have the wrong opinion) posted this the other day. That's right folks, reverse racism killed Trayvon! 
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Jul 16, 2013 16:57
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Trayvon called Zimmerman a racial slur, obviously he had to die  I can't believe someone wrote an article that simultaneously condemns a teenager to death for using a racial slur while calling out everyone who is offended by Paula Deen's stuff (which goes far beyond a racial slur) Intruder fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Jul 16, 2013 17:00
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Reverce Racism killed Trayvon, but what about the "Reverse Trayvon Martin", Marissa Alexander?  DOUBLE Reverse Racism
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Jul 16, 2013 17:08
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Amidst all of the whining and nashing of teeth from both sides regarding the Martin/Zimmerman case, one of my former Navy comrades decided to post this beauty (grey is me):   He's a really nice guy, and did better than me in college, but gently caress. How do adults, who have had decades of experience in national and international level poo poo, think things like this are a good idea?
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Jul 16, 2013 17:53
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Because at face value it's a good common-sense idea until you take a moment to think about it critically like you did. There's a reason stupid folksy common sense ideas like that don't take off, running a modern country as large and diverse as the US is mind-bogglingly complex.
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Jul 16, 2013 18:01
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AlternateNu posted:Amidst all of the whining and nashing of teeth from both sides regarding the Martin/Zimmerman case, one of my former Navy comrades decided to post this beauty (grey is me): You should tell pink you agree. Old people vote in hugely disproportionate numbers compared to every other age, yet they live near totally off of current workers taxes and on top of it, will be dead soon. We can't trust them to make political decisions that are actually good for the working part of the country that won't be dead within 10 years.
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Jul 16, 2013 18:04
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Might also remind them where ARE TROOPS' paychecks come from, or ask them about people who work and also receive government aid. Last year I earned $26K working full time, of which I paid $2K income tax and $1500 payroll tax, but my household also received food stamps and Social Security. Am I a maker or a taker?
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Jul 16, 2013 18:13
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Who determines what goes on the list? Can I just write in my own personal savings account is where I want 100% of taxes to go?
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Jul 16, 2013 18:16
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darthbob88 posted:ask them about people who work and also receive government aid. These people don't understand and won't accept that you can be on assistance while having a job. If you do manage to force that concept through, the auto-response is that it's your fault for not having a better job.
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Jul 16, 2013 18:19
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darthbob88 posted:Might also remind them where ARE TROOPS' paychecks come from, Yeah this would start to become a problem when liberals start sending all their tax money to social programs or like the NIS, while Tea Party people send it all to border security. Meanwhile SS and Medicare goes broke because current workers were like "meh, I'll get around to funding SS later"
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Jul 16, 2013 18:22
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AlternateNu posted:Amidst all of the whining and nashing of teeth from both sides regarding the Martin/Zimmerman case, one of my former Navy comrades decided to post this beauty (grey is me): Yo. Already got a healthy dose of backpedaling. 
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Government is super inefficient so we should allow 300 million people to have a say in exactly where their money goes. Prove to me my money is being spent in exactly and only the ways I want it to be spent. What do you mean money is fungible? What do mushrooms have to do with money and taxes? This is why government is so inefficient and we should just have a walmart for everything!
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