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Rodyle posted:boring Different strokes I guess. The only problem I had was the original cast gets sidelined until right before the end. I don't know where it would fit or how you could rework it but I would have liked more time with them.
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MLA rules, that scene is 'good' because it is so horrible, and it's basically the only place left to go in the carnival of suffering. Again, my main concern is that they have sex immediately after which is... unfortunate. I think it definitely could have used some better addressing. MLA is very inteligent about some stuff, but that moment would be better served by getting more attention, by way of actally working through it, instead of glossing over. It's presented as a 'this is WHYYYYYY' and you are all like "ahhh god oh shitttttt" but it doesn't get worked out. The scene itself is longer than the resolution, and that's not how it should be. It's like a smaller scale version of the PTSD arc; That was amazing, and gets a much better treatment, though it suffers the same problem, mostly that in game time he is back on the saddle in like a WEEK. If not for the deadlines imposed I think having a brief time skip wold have made it slightly less cartoonish, in both cases. I absolutely didn't think the last portion was boring, but it was certainly protracted, and could have used a bit of punching up / editing. Things happen too fast while at the same time taking too long. It's an odd problem. ViggyNash posted:I'm the kind of person who refuses to skip any lines, no matter how terrible or worthless, unless I've already read them. This will be a painful many hours. Soooo you don't have time for LoGH, one of the best most highly recommend anime ever, but now is a good time to jump into a 100+ hour VN trilogy? C'mon man DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jul 17, 2013 |
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Rodyle posted:The good news is that the entire last third of MLA isn't much better, but is indeed better than that scene. Harsh, considering the second half gives us THE BEST STORM VANGUARD NUMBER ONE IN ALL MUVLUV HISTORY. No I don't mean Takeru.
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Shark Tower posted:Harsh, considering the second half gives us THE BEST STORM VANGUARD NUMBER ONE IN ALL MUVLUV HISTORY. No I don't mean Takeru. Wait.... Who? Meiya?
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Shark Tower posted:Harsh, considering the second half gives us THE BEST STORM VANGUARD NUMBER ONE IN ALL MUVLUV HISTORY. No I don't mean Takeru. For the record I'm talking about everything post Sadogashima. After that the game has kind of exhausted all of its tricks and just become repetitive, save for the brief moment of interest when you find out what the BETA are. This is the danger of this thread: every time someone plays the game, yes we get to laugh at them freaking out at CHOMP, but then we also have to have the tentacle sex/ending discussion again. It's a cycle. Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Jul 17, 2013 |
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I dunno dude I think you're crazy, I really like the next parts as well. But as someone else said, different strokes I guess.
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DamnGlitch posted:Soooo you don't have time for LoGH, one of the best most highly recommend anime ever, but now is a good time to jump into a 100+ hour VN trilogy? LoGH is in that spot where it's too long, too dated, and not good enough to justify the time investment, for me to recommend it to people. Muv Luv is much more dense in content and intelligent in delivery despite its flaws. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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That's too bad, we are of course extremely lacking in people recommending LOGH in ADTRW.
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DamnGlitch posted:Soooo you don't have time for LoGH, one of the best most highly recommend anime ever, but now is a good time to jump into a 100+ hour VN trilogy? I'm about to have plenty of time to do both for the next month. I'll finish it eventually.
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Barent posted:I dunno dude I think you're crazy, I really like the next parts as well. But as someone else said, different strokes I guess. Nephilm posted:LoGH is in that spot where it's too long, too dated, and not good enough to justify the time investment, for me to recommend it to people. Muv Luv is much more dense in content and intelligent in delivery despite its flaws.
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Rodyle posted:No, this is crazy: I like Muv Luv but it wastes so much of your time, there's no way in hell I can call it concise. Nihnoz fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jul 17, 2013 |
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Artificer posted:Wait.... Who? Meiya? Man, am I really the only person here who likes Mitsuki Hayase as a character? Rodyle posted:For the record I'm talking about everything post Sadogashima. After that the game has kind of exhausted all of its tricks and just become repetitive, save for the brief moment of interest when you find out what the BETA are. Well, I don't know if anything can really top chomp and chomp part 2, but it's still a very well-crafted story (though not without flaws) up until the last parts. Some highlights I can remember from post-Sadogashima: - Just as humankind's finally gotten a means to fight back against the BETA, they invade their base and thoroughly tear down their only hope (outside of Alternative 5, which as you know, is a bleak as hell last resort). - The fact that 00 Unit's been unwittingly sending their intel to the BETA all along, educating them on their tactics and putting a crushing time limit on how long they have to invade the Original Hive, the most dangerous, BETA infested hellhole on this planet. Except that everything's in shambles and it'll take at least a couple weeks to scrap together usable TSF's. Meaning they have to go in under way less than optimal conditions (Saved from this by Mana at the last moment, but for a while, it certainly seems like everything's gone hopelessly to hell with absolutely no way out.) - Finding out what's at the bottom of the Original Hive, the mysterious black box that 00 Unit couldn't even get any information on. - And of course, Mitsuki being an all-around badass. Sure, it's not anything that hasn't really been done before, but it's still crafted well, and I'm invested enough by that point that if there were any really big twists, it would have to be delicately implemented to not disrupt the flow of the story. Nephilm posted:LoGH is in that spot where it's too long, too dated, and not good enough to justify the time investment, for me to recommend it to people. Muv Luv is much more dense in content and intelligent in delivery despite its flaws. I haven't watched it yet either, also on accounts of it being way long and rather dated-looking. That said, I'm sure it reached 110 episodes, 2 movies, and infinite fanboys all over ADTRW for a reason, so I'll definitely check it out at some point.
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Hayase's pretty great. More people should watch Kimi ga Nozomu Eien after playing Alt so they actually know what's up with those 3 characters. And then watch Akane Maniax and weep as they realize that's probably the only time they'll actually see good Muv-Luv animated.
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More MLA talk: So I just got through the part where the BETA storm the poo poo out of Yokohama and I was kind of wondering. How exactly do they clean up all the BETA corpses? Like, there were untold numbers of them, and they were literally everywhere, right? Yuuko just casually mentions that they're cleaning them up and I'm like, "how?" Don't they have to blow up whale carcasses? And some of the BETA are bigger than that. Also the BETA showing they have a lot more intelligence than they let on is pretty horrific. I'm still waiting to hear what revelation Sumika had about the BETA (unless it was just pretty much what Hayase deduced from them learning from being able to get at the reactor). Them storing Laser BETA in the tank classes  edit: "The plan I just explained to you... is a fake one to get the UN and America to work with us." Hahaha oh my god. Yuuko is incredible. Irukandji Syndrome fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Jul 18, 2013 |
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Jul 18, 2013 09:00
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  Hate Plus is August 19th and thanks to the Analogue thread in LP, I can't goddamn wait. Analogue: A Hate Story is 3.39 on Steam right now, for those that haven't played it (you should). The only things I've bothered to get this sail are gift copies of it actually.
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Rodyle posted:
There's an Analogue LP? Time to follow the poo poo out of it.
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Is it just me or (MLA spoilers) does Kasumi's data link portrait look a little... What's wrong with your eyes
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Irukandji Syndrome posted:The OP said to try not to discuss sex scenes, so I'll keep this as brief as possible: I'm pretty sure Sumika and the BETA might be a dealbreaker for me. That was gratuitous, voyeuristic, felt like disgusting pandering, and was overall completely unnecessary. Jesus Christ Skipped through the entire thing, had no regrets afterwards. It was still enough to launch me out of my immersion entirely though, even if I only saw a little bit of what went down. I mean good lord, is that really the time to put in porn? Really? 
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klapman posted:Skipped through the entire thing, had no regrets afterwards. It was still enough to launch me out of my immersion entirely though, even if I only saw a little bit of what went down. I mean good lord, is that really the time to put in porn? Really? It's like they suddenly remembered "oh right, this is technically a porn game, so let's have tons of brief flashes to Takeru loving everyone, Sumika getting raped, then Takeru loving Sumika." I wish I had skipped it. I wish I had skipped it  I'm... trying my best to isolate the rest of the game from that, even if it soured it somewhat. It's kind of hard to say "this game is great and all except for that bit where there's a HORRIBLE VOYEURISTIC RAPE SCENE." I'm right at when they plunge into the Original Hive. The production values on this game really are impressive. I love Tsukuyomi.It's funny how they added a bunch of new cast members then promptly killed or disabled them. It's at the point where every time a new character is introduced (be it some random soldiers on the front line or something else) I expect them to get killed, and it's been pretty true thus far. Just let Takeru and friends do all the front-line fighting, everybody! They have plot armor. Irukandji Syndrome fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Jul 19, 2013 |
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A buddy of mine was interested in reading, so I made as many save files for skipping all moments of that abomination of a scene as possible. I really, really wish they had just translated the All Ages version instead of the one they went with as it would have definitely fixed most of the major problems I felt Muv Luv had.
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I'd even take a version with everything else still in except for that stupid scene. It really does suck and is out of place. 
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I don't want to look up too much about Tsukihime but is its structure similar to Fate/Stay night? That the paths are locked and you do them one at a time, in order? Are there paths?
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Krinkle posted:I don't want to look up too much about Tsukihime but is its structure similar to Fate/Stay night? That the paths are locked and you do them one at a time, in order? Are there paths? Its sorta like Fate, but not quite as constrictive. There are five heroines and two major branches. Two heroines are on the Near side of the Moon branch, and the other three on the Far side. You have to complete one or the other of the near routes to unlock the far routes, and then iirc you have to view Akiha and Hisui's routes to unlock Kohaku's, which is meant to be viewed last.
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Chickenfrogman posted:A buddy of mine was interested in reading, so I made as many save files for skipping all moments of that abomination of a scene as possible. I really, really wish they had just translated the All Ages version instead of the one they went with as it would have definitely fixed most of the major problems I felt Muv Luv had. The Sumika rape scene is still there though, iirc it just zooms and pans around it to not show anything explicit and they made a new CG for it. The only reason the translation team did the original was because they didn't want to have the head chomp scene censored which is kind of lame because in my opinion leaving things to your imagination is just as bad and there's a lot of cool stuff put into the All Ages version like the team entering the original hive is remade. At least the 18+ version OP kicks rear end. Blhue posted:Its sorta like Fate, but not quite as constrictive. There are five heroines and two major branches. Two heroines are on the Near side of the Moon branch, and the other three on the Far side. You have to complete one or the other of the near routes to unlock the far routes, and then iirc you have to view Akiha and Hisui's routes to unlock Kohaku's, which is meant to be viewed last. Correct except you only have to do Hisui's route to unlock Kohaku's. There's also a second ending for each heroine after completing their routes except for Kohaku.
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So on a whim I decided to search for Steins Gate on the Play store, and apparently that and Chaos Head are both on Android completely free. It's still downloading so I can't say for sure that it isn't a demo version, but the download is 1.43GB and it doesn't say anything about being a demo. edit: Nevermind, on the title screen there's a link to buy all chapters for 3000 yen. Ara fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 20, 2013 |
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Krinkle posted:I don't want to look up too much about Tsukihime but is its structure similar to Fate/Stay night? That the paths are locked and you do them one at a time, in order? Are there paths? Basically you have to do Arcueid's route first and then you can do whoever's route you want. It's more like a conventional visual novel than Fate/Stay Night in terms of how the routes are structured and your freedom to play them, but it is structured such that you don't really get the full story unless you play the whole thing - certain elements that may not make sense or appear unexplained are explained perhaps in passing in another route, for example, or one character seems to be acting strangely and you don't know why but then another route lets you learn about their character more so you can figure it out. I think the recommended order to play in is to play Arcueid first, then Ciel, Akiha, Hisui, and finally Kohaku for the very last. The game won't stop you from playing them in a different order (except Arc is always first) but for sure save Kohaku for last. All of them but Kohaku also have two different endings, the second of which is unlocked by clearing the route once. It also has "Teach me, Ciel-sensei!" segments for bad ends, which is basically the same idea as the Tiger Dojo.
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Arc isn't always first, both she and Ciel are open. I didn't know more than how the routes unlocked so I ended up playing the game in the order of Ciel>Hisui>Akiha>Arc>Kohaku. Which you shouldn't do mind, but is totally possible.
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I started playing Muvluv this week and just unlocked Unlimited after being pretty much furious for a day about how all the other arcs screw Meiya over so badly. You might understand where I'm coming from when I say HOLY poo poo
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Right as someone else is close to the finish line, another lines up to take the plunge.
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I did the first chapter of Rose Gun Days back when I had completed Umineko and Higurashi and I really wanted more from that guy, but it was really boring and I just realized it's been three months. Was I wrong to give up on it or does it stay exactly as boring as it looks at first blush?
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I can't speak for Rose Guns Days, but I found Higanbana fairly enjoyable if you want more from 07th Expansion.
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Krinkle posted:I did the first chapter of Rose Gun Days back when I had completed Umineko and Higurashi and I really wanted more from that guy, but it was really boring and I just realized it's been three months. Was I wrong to give up on it or does it stay exactly as boring as it looks at first blush?
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Chickenfrogman posted:Right as someone else is close to the finish line, another lines up to take the plunge. That could be me in a week or so, depending on how things go this week.
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 ONII-CHAN, I'M TAKING THE SHOT meanwhile I'm reading bits in which they're going to use a TRANS-HORIZON CANNON to shoot down a space shuttle.
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Finished Minagoroshi-hen of Higurashi  the start was pretty good, the middle dragged out here and there at times but after Satoko's plot gets resolved and Teppei goes away it's all uphill from there. I'm actually happy I was dumb enough to see the mastermind in their alternate costume before I got to the reveal and dismissed it as being a fanservice thing for the fandisk or something. Speaking of the mastermind I bet she had a crap childhood to explain her motives, as is just about everyone in the main cast and hopefully there's something to it more than "becoming god" because it's a little too shallow than I'm willing to believe. And explain what the deal is with Hanyu because she's just a giant question mark among everybody else. Is she a ghost of a former villager or what?Also these two tracks and the one that plays at the very first scene of Minagoroshi-hen and in the last TIP that I don't know the name of are my favorite music tracks so far. Music owns once you get out of the question arcs and get a little further into Kai. Krinkle posted:I did the first chapter of Rose Gun Days back when I had completed Umineko and Higurashi and I really wanted more from that guy, but it was really boring and I just realized it's been three months. Was I wrong to give up on it or does it stay exactly as boring as it looks at first blush? I played it and finished what's been translated so far and I found it to be okay. I think the thing is that the characters aren't really that interesting at all outside of maybe Leo and it's not suppose to be a thriller like R07's other works. The music is great as usual, especially the ones that play at the climax of each arc.
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ilifinicus posted:
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Pornographic Memory posted:I'm never going to be able to play Muv-luv because it just looks too goddamn ridiculous.
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ilifinicus posted:I started playing Muvluv this week and just unlocked Unlimited after being pretty much furious for a day about how all the other arcs screw Meiya over so badly. Meiya is pretty much the greatest, this is true. ilifinicus posted:I've both lost my voice and gotten stomach cramps from laughing for hours on end at the humor in this VN. The humor is just too good, and much thanks to how ridiculous it is and how it KNOWS that it is. Value the good things you have now. You will miss them dearly when they are gone.
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