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Johnny Aztec posted:What rubble? Everything got blasted OUTward. The explosion came from inside, not like the pyramid just collapsed. A bit of it would've come back down over the site, just from being blasted upwards. Especially since there's a big crater for it to roll down.
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Jul 17, 2013 14:24
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Can't say I saw that coming, but in hindsight it makes a lot of narrative sense. There are really not many ways the Order could have come out alive of this one.
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Jul 17, 2013 14:30
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Jul 17, 2013 14:30
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So, uh, someone who knows things give me a tactical appraisal of the situation. Monster IX is how bad.
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Jul 17, 2013 14:35
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It's the strongest possible summon monster spell.
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Jul 17, 2013 14:37
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It could be worse, he could have used the same spell and summoned a larger number of creatures from one or two lists down.
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Jul 17, 2013 14:40
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Yeah, in their current state that elemental should be able to just straight up beat them to death. I do find it a nice touch that Redcloak summoned something thematic to the area considering he didn't have to. Also, the Order's bacon getting saved by the Monster in the Dark figuring that they're friends of his Paladin friend and wanting to spare them feels a teeny bit contrived. Maybe it's meant to help indicate his growing conscience?
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Jul 17, 2013 14:40
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Monster IX is as bad as Summon Monster ever gets and if it produces a single elemental, it's an Elder Elemental, which in turn is as bad as elementals ever get. Usually the gang could probably take it on but with Durkon, V and Belkar in the respective states they're in it's not looking good.
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MikeJF posted:So, uh, someone who knows things give me a tactical appraisal of the situation. Monster IX is how bad. Hm. Well, I'm not much better off than you, but its monsters are all pretty nasty, like elder elementals (I think those are basically the most powerful ones from the original Monster Manual) and evil scorpions more than 64 feet long. Also, on a note not directly related to the monsters, it's a ninth-level spell; if Redcloak can cast that he can cast, well, basically any non-epic cleric spell, plus all the ones from his domain(s?). So that gives us a good gauge of his power, too.
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MikeJF posted:So, uh, someone who knows things give me a tactical appraisal of the situation. Monster IX is how bad. Not that bad. An Elder Elemental is only CR 11. Even weakened, the Order has three mostly functional level 14-15 characters. They should pretty easily be able to pull though, barring Silicon Elemental bullshit.
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Edit: As above, but even if Elan does have trouble quipping against it, Haley is pretty competent at fighting. vvvv: Both Elan and Haley appear to be unhurt, there's no 'damage' on them. Elan's down a few spells, but Haley is probably 100% Taerkar fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jul 17, 2013 |
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So according to http://www.d20srd.org/extras/d20encountercalculator/ a creature with lvl 11 CR should be easy for a party of 4 with an ECL of 14. But considering how much damage they have already taken, its not likely to be that easy. However the kicker I think is that as they engage the elemental, the fiends are going to send Vaarsuvius back and he still basically has all his spells left.
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urim posted:So according to http://www.d20srd.org/extras/d20encountercalculator/ a creature with lvl 11 CR should be easy for a party of 4 with an ECL of 14. But considering how much damage they have already taken, its not likely to be that easy. However the kicker I think is that as they engage the elemental, the fiends are going to send Vaarsuvius back and he still basically has all his spells left. I figure that Tarquin either the Linear Guild or Tarquin are going to make an appearance mid-fight. Something else I forgot: that elemental is only going to last about 2 minutes before the spell ends; The Order could conceivable outrun it, should something else not interfere.
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Jul 17, 2013 14:59
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I'm half expecting Roy to end up kiting it around since Redcloak instructed it to go for him first specifically.
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Jul 17, 2013 15:22
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Scale can be hard to figure in OotS, but I'm pretty sure that the elemental is quite a bit taller than the crater is deep, and the crater isn't exactly a pothole. That thing is colossal!
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My Lovely Horse posted:Monster IX is as bad as Summon Monster ever gets and if it produces a single elemental, it's an Elder Elemental, which in turn is as bad as elementals ever get. Usually the gang could probably take it on but with Durkon, V and Belkar in the respective states they're in it's not looking good. or he could have rolled low attempting to summon 1d3 greater silicon elementals
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Jul 17, 2013 15:51
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ConfusedUs posted:Scale can be hard to figure in OotS, but I'm pretty sure that the elemental is quite a bit taller than the crater is deep, and the crater isn't exactly a pothole. Nah, Elder Elementals only go up to Huge.  Taerkar posted:Edit: Elementals are immune to sneak attacks; unless she has that feat that lets you bypass that or her magic weapons allow her to get around it (I doubt it), she's not going to be much more use than Elan. Looks like it's all on Roy unless V's 23 minutes and change are up soon.
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ConfusedUs posted:That thing is colossal! Nope, it's huge. 
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Jul 17, 2013 17:02
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Complete Arcane introduced Elemental Monoliths, but sadly they're only Gargantuan, and the ninth level spell to summon them requires concentration to maintain.
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Jul 17, 2013 17:23
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Rich can only do stuff that's SRD anyway.
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Jul 17, 2013 17:25
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The world is going to be saved by TMITD isn't it? He's going to end up tearing red cloak and Xykon new arseholes and then the paladins are going to end up butchered trying to kill him.
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Jul 17, 2013 17:34
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terminal mehmet posted:Rich can only do stuff that's SRD anyway.
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I have to wonder where TMITD's well thought out and clever bluff came from. It might be a clue as to creature's identity; not many monsters invest in Bluff.
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fool_of_sound posted:I have to wonder where TMITD's well thought out and clever bluff came from. It might be a clue as to creature's identity; not many monsters invest in Bluff. Well since he's been pushing babies off his plate for some amount of time I imagine he's been doing it for a while.
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terminal mehmet posted:Rich can only do stuff that's SRD anyway. I wouldn't say that, he's able to use non-SRD stuff when he wants to do so, or at least stuff that's suspiciously similar. Plus there's the fact that parody is protected and all that. He was using some non-SRD monsters when Tarquin's crew whistled up some fiends. The example was more to figure out what's the biggest hunk of animate earth you could unleash your opponent with a spell, rather than to dictate how the story could/should go.
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chippocrates posted:He's referenced splatbooks before I stand corrected. How the hell did you find those references so fast?
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Jul 17, 2013 17:39
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I wouldn't be surprised if some OotS readers can remember every page and its associated number by heart.
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Slashrat posted:I wouldn't be surprised if some OotS readers can remember every page and its associated number by heart. Just remembered what rough part of the story they were from and flicked through. Elan's prestige class gets brought up fairly frequently.
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Jul 17, 2013 17:46
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Is Dashing Swordsman actually a real PrC? I thought Rich made it up.
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terminal mehmet posted:Rich can only do stuff that's SRD anyway. He joked about it once with the lawyer strip with the mindflayer and beholder; but really it's not true. The OGL is about using game material (rules, descriptions, etc.) in gaming content. OOTS falls into the fair use/parody category. Of course Wizards themselves have been known to make the same confusion (e.g. going after Rusty & co. and getting mentions of "yuan-ti" expunged so Tiffany is a naga now) and people aren't eager to shell out the court costs needed to establish that they do not have to obey a C&D request.
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Yeah, the Electric Orb one counts but Dashing Swordsman was invented by Rich for OotS, despite there being a couple of similar third party versions in existence. Certainly you won't find any published version who can ignore shattering glass damage as a class feature! Also, none of Huecuva, Death Knight, or Eye of Fear and Flame are in the SRD, and no one said boo to Rich about that either. Rich probably has the popularity, and the fact that he's on good terms with the guys over at Wizard from his days working on Dragon, not to get pushed around by Wizard C&Ds. Rusty & Co. doesn't have the same public profile, so the PR impact of pushing Mike around isn't nearly the kind of bad press they'd get if Rich so much as put out the word on Twitter that WotC lawyers were annoying him.
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You just know that Xykon deciding to go to Kraagor's gate right away is going to lead to him losing his pelvis again. Xykon and Redcloak had trouble against that one dragon guarding Xykon's old tower, Serini probably put a bunch of similarly dangerous things in there.
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Slashrat posted:I'm half expecting Roy to end up kiting it around since Redcloak instructed it to go for him first specifically. No, he instructed it to go for "the human with the greatsword". Does Tarquin have a greatsword? If you write, I will make it better.
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Jul 17, 2013 19:45
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Tarquin's primary weapon is a greataxe, but he's down to using a whip now after losing the axe.
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Reading through the archives, I found this: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0671.html O-chul says he and Lien are heading to Kraggor's gate.
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Parahexavoctal posted:No, he instructed it to go for "the human with the greatsword". I'm with you on this one, it wouldn't be too surprising to see Tarquin show up with a greatsword and be held up long enough for the gang to make an escape.
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Gregen posted:I'm with you on this one, it wouldn't be too surprising to see Tarquin show up with a greatsword and be held up long enough for the gang to make an escape. It wouldn't be surprising at all, which is why it probably won't happen. (I may have to eat my words later  )
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Roy could just drop his greatsword, or hand it to Belkar and the elemental's orders would be broken, making it presumably sit there, or start looking for a human with a great sword.
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I think that would be trumped by the "kill everyone" part of the command.
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