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Oh, does it play the music when you create the great work? I play with music off. Also, the one modern musical work is "Billie Jean." No way they actually paid for that license.
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PostNouveau posted:Oh, does it play the music when you create the great work? I play with music off. Also, the one modern musical work is "Billie Jean." No way they actually paid for that license. If you click on the great work notifications when you complete one, you can listen to a sample of the music if it's from a Great Musician, look at the piece of art if it's from a Great Artist or hear William Morgan Sheppard read a small snippet from the work in question if it's from a Great Writer.
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PostNouveau posted:I wish they would have thrown in some modern great works. It's 1990, and there's a new mega-hit blazing its way to the top of the charts: "Symphony No. 9" by Anton Dvorak. The kids are just crazy for symphonic music, just like everyone has been for the past 400 years. It's Firaxis' policy to never use living people for anything. So the amount of modern works are naturally limited by that, but there's still a few they could use. Also, the historical era of the great person is completely irrelevant and the game can give you Rommel in 2000 BC, so it works both ways. That said, there are still some more modern musicians that fit their criteria that they could have used, but decided not to for some reason. I mean, Steve Jobs is a Great Merchant, so why not have Kurt Cobain or Freddie Mercury? PostNouveau posted:Oh, does it play the music when you create the great work? I play with music off. Also, the one modern musical work is "Billie Jean." No way they actually paid for that license. They don't have to pay for the license, it's like a five to ten second clip. That falls within fair use. edit: IS Billie Jean in? I don't see it in the XML file. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Jul 20, 2013 |
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When is it a good time to shift from a default focus of city management?
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Jul 20, 2013 09:39
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Khagan posted:When is it a good time to shift from a default focus of city management? I generally only do it if I have a city specialised in great people generation, or if I have a natural wonder. It looks like the city management AI got better as well - you no longer have to go round all your cities switching them to production focus the moment your empire gets unhappy, and the management AI seems to build settlers more optimally as well.
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Gort posted:I generally only do it if I have a city specialised in great people generation, or if I have a natural wonder. It looks like the city management AI got better as well - you no longer have to go round all your cities switching them to production focus the moment your empire gets unhappy, and the management AI seems to build settlers more optimally as well. Production focus still speeds up Settlers most of the time for me. Also switching to that when trying to beat others to a wonder is an obvious one.
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Khagan posted:When is it a good time to shift from a default focus of city management? Production focus is actually best early on. Lock down the food tiles manually, but the order of actions when a turn starts is:
Because food yield is calculated before the city grows and everything else is calculated afterwards, any food yields on the new tile are wasted. It’s gamey min‐max stuff, but it can make a difference in the early game. I stop bothering around the time I have four cities and set the focus to whatever I actually want. Aside from that, you can’t starve while building a settler, so I just manually assign the tiles from greatest to least hammers unless there’s a compelling reason to do otherwise (good gold tiles, natural wonders). Platystemon fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Jul 20, 2013 |
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Jul 20, 2013 09:51
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Also sometimes you want to avoid growth.
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A city state in my game had El Dorado sitting inside of it. It was already pillaged, and it had two civilizations protecting it. That's no big deal, I can still take it. In fact, it was time for an expansion anyways. They also had an iron mine and a gold mine being worked. I needed both of those resources. In fact, I decided to take over the city. It was deep inside enemy territory, and I didn't want to risk a war at all. I instead snuck inside my merchant of Venice to buy the city outright. Take that, other civilizations! You get nothing, and buying a city and puppeting it doesn't count as an act of war!
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Jul 20, 2013 10:33
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:It's Firaxis' policy to never use living people for anything. So the amount of modern works are naturally limited by that, but there's still a few they could use. Also, the historical era of the great person is completely irrelevant and the game can give you Rommel in 2000 BC, so it works both ways. That said, there are still some more modern musicians that fit their criteria that they could have used, but decided not to for some reason. I mean, Steve Jobs is a Great Merchant, so why not have Kurt Cobain or Freddie Mercury? The other members of Nirvana and Queen are still alive. Is there really anything made by either Cobain or Freddie solo that would qualify as a great work? I don't think so.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:When you go liberty, sell off some extra luxuries to the AI. They're worth 6gpt, or 240 gold with a friendship agreement. Luxuries are worth 8GPT.
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I started my second foray into King difficulty on a standard size continents map. I'm playing Washington, because his UA really isn't that bad. It allowed me to snag most of the huts before my two neighbors, let me find most of the city states first as well. I ended up on a smallish continent with me Portugal and Shoshone. I took a gamble and decided to build a bunch of archers (later upgraded to compound bowmen) and use my upgraded warrior cum spearman to tank cities while my five or so archers nuked the poo poo. Each had 3 cities when I started my path of murder. Now only their capitals stand, because I couldn't float the happiness and they settled in lovely places. The best part? I'm allied or friendly with the 6 city states on this continent thanks to quests and the first policy or two in patronage. I pledge to protect every city state I meet immediately. That's 10 less happiness I have to work for. The super best part? While my murder spree took longer than I had hoped (just into AD, maybe 50ish) no contact was made with other civs, so I have two bonus capitols and a veteran army of archers with march with no downside! The world can't hate me for genocide if they never saw it! Also managed to somehow snag the GL and Oracle while nobody was looking, and Portugal was kind enough to build the Great Lighthouse for me. Also I founded the American religion of ARE FREEDUMS while I was at it. I used the Tengriism logo because it was the closest to  I'm thinking patronage and aesthetics and then freedom as my ideology. Maybe shoot for a cultural win or diplomatic? I have to say, I think this is the best a game of Civ has gone for me ever. I'm getting better at prioritizing things, at least. Can't wait to see this one through later. Pvt.Scott fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Jul 20, 2013 |
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Jedit posted:Luxuries are worth 8GPT. That used to be true but I've never been able to sell one for more than 6GPT since BNW. Even from the friendly civs.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:They don't have to pay for the license, it's like a five to ten second clip. That falls within fair use. Yeah, but it’s not worth arguing in court.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:That used to be true but I've never been able to sell one for more than 6GPT since BNW. Even from the friendly civs. Yeah I've never gotten 8GPT. Pretty sure it gives you the pro-rated amount of 39g per gpt or whatever the gently caress it is. For people that often beat immortal/deity - if you were given a NO WAR button and you could just freely peace-tech-build, could you beat the game on 4-5 cities? Is that a thing I should be able to do if given the opportunity? As it is, if I get a really good start (say, a good petra loc and/or a good religion) I can more or less keep even, and I can even keep myself alive, but I never really seem to hit that industrial tech boom that people allude to. I use specialists, I get universities, I try to get jungle science cities, and I usually have enough workers to make sure I'm working good tiles by the time cities hit size 4-5, but I always find I just get out-everythinged and I can't figure out what's missing. edit: normal speed, pangaea Verviticus fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Jul 20, 2013 |
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5 GPT is what I get from one luxury at least on Emperor/Immortal and Marathon. Sometimes they throw free Open Borders on it.
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Kanfy posted:5 GPT is what I get from one luxury at least on Emperor/Immortal and Marathon. Sometimes they throw free Open Borders on it. Either they slightly dislike you or they only have 6 GPT. They’ll never trade away all their GPT, which I assume is to help prevent exploits. Game speed doesn’t matter because the GPT and luxury parts of the deal both last longer.
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Man, I just did my first BNW game with the Shoshone, and it's sort of absurd just how terrible the AI is - I started on Warlord, because I'm bad and haven't played in a while, and the AI usually gave me something of a fight on that difficulty before, but this game pounded in just how incredibly awful the AI was. I literally had 30+ wonders to the rest of the civ's 3-5 each, and was 15-25 technologies ahead for about 2/3rds of the game, in many cases two to four /ages/ ahead of other players. They don't even try to do anything to counter your attempts at winning - I had 800-1000~ tourism per turn in the final stage of the game and nobody really bothered - everyone sat around doing nothing but yelling at Atilla every time he tried to invade some city state (and fail), and he didn't even have the nerve to declare war on any other AI without asking me for a joint war every time (and wussing out when I refuse), and never even threatened me once. I didn't even really have an army, and nobody cared, even Atilla with like 7x my military score. At the end, although I won with culture, I literally was capable of having a science victory and a diplomatic victory almost simultaneously if I had put the effort toward it - all the final-era tech took about 6 turns each, and I had like 25 delegates to everyone else's four. Amusingly enough, despite my massive technological advantage, Persia kept on trying to sell me a research agreement for all my luxury resources, including ones I had only singles of, and thousands of gold.  It's sort of unfortunate since I don't really like the idea of increasing an AI's difficulty by giving it a bunch of cheaty unfair huge bonuses, which is why I wanted to linger on the baseline difficulty (which I misremembered as warlord, turns out it was prince, but regardless) but if the AI has somehow gotten even stupider than before then I might have to crank up the difficulty anyway.
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Platystemon posted:Either they slightly dislike you or they only have 6 GPT. They’ll never trade away all their GPT, which I assume is to help prevent exploits. I've been given 6 of a total of 6GPT before. Wolpertinger posted:Amusingly enough, despite my massive technological advantage, Persia kept on trying to sell me a research agreement for all my luxury resources, including ones I had only singles of, and thousands of gold. The more of a tech lead you have, the more a research agreement helps you keep the lead over the rest of the pack. The AI does 1:1 on agreements if you're behind, but if you're ahead they always ask for more in return.
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Verviticus posted:The more of a tech lead you have, the more a research agreement helps you keep the lead over the rest of the pack. The AI does 1:1 on agreements if you're behind, but if you're ahead they always ask for more in return. That seems all kinds of backwards to me. It would make sense for the tech leader to get less beakers out of the deal but get money or luxuries in exchange for giving your buddies a leg up.
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Verviticus posted:I've been given 6 of a total of 6GPT before. Ah, I had assumed that research agreements would give larger bonuses to whoever was behind technologically - I would have imagined that it's sort of hard to collaborate on research without giving up anything you've already discovered.
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I haven't played in a few days, but when I did I was able to trade for GPT with the AI, and in the trade window as soon as you choose gpt it enables lump-sum as well. So you can leave the default 5gpt, add 240 lump sum, then remove the gpt and everything is same as it has been. Assuming they will patch this, or have they already?
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Let's see here...bought BNW yesterday, finally get some time to play it...hosed around for a bit and now I'm gonna play a real game...hmm...Venice looks like fun let's try them...Continents...Huge Map...5 billion years old...Standard Resources...LETS DO THIS!!! 
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Crazy Ted posted:Let's see here...bought BNW yesterday, finally get some time to play it...hosed around for a bit and now I'm gonna play a real game...hmm...Venice looks like fun let's try them...Continents...Huge Map...5 billion years old...Standard Resources...LETS DO THIS!!! That site is too good to be true, there's bound to be drawbacks. I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
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Jul 20, 2013 11:55
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There's three coal on the entire map and they all belong to alexander who is best buds with all the city states.
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Venice tends to get crazy locations to make up for the fact that it's the only location you can have direct control over.
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Pvt.Scott posted:That seems all kinds of backwards to me. It would make sense for the tech leader to get less beakers out of the deal but get money or luxuries in exchange for giving your buddies a leg up. I mean, thematically maybe, but at the end of the day I think they wanted research agreements to be something that people who are behind use to collaborate and catch up to That Guy. Kind of like civ4 but delayed.
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Koobze posted:I haven't played in a few days, but when I did I was able to trade for GPT with the AI, and in the trade window as soon as you choose gpt it enables lump-sum as well. So you can leave the default 5gpt, add 240 lump sum, then remove the gpt and everything is same as it has been. Assuming they will patch this, or have they already? Definitely doesn't work for me now.
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nimby posted:I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Jul 20, 2013 |
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Tulip posted:Well he specifically asked for how comparing deep honor to honor+liberty, so that's why i answered with referring to Meritocracy. Personally i prefer Liberty - it means i can get, let's just say Ceremonial Burial, off of one shrine, something i can't pull off with Tradition without a lot of luck. It makes early land grab a little easier, but ultimately it's just two things 1)my timing is better with Liberty, and that's entirely personal and 2)in the metagame with the friends i play with, i'd rather get some extra early cities and religion than whatever i'm supposed to get off of Tradition. This stuff won't apply to fighting Deity AIs, because Deity AIs make early land grab basically a solved game. I've just gotten so used to the 4g from monuments, 8 gold from garrisons, and 4ish gold from my capital that when I play Liberty I screw myself over because I'm not getting all this passive money. Usually as Tradition I don't even build trade routes, favoring wonders instead. I'd rather put the 85 hammers (with tradition) toward a wonder rather than something that's going to generate 4-6 gold per turn but cost 2-4 per turn walking my poo poo out there to guard them. Instead I build wonders and then food stuff the newer cities.
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Ugh. Had a laughably cruel start as Venice. Despite an excellent starting location, I realized far too late in the game that I was isolated from sea trade because of a large tundra and ice peninsula that went all the way down to the south pole. This meant that I couldn't trade with any civs until after astronomy was researched and ended up crushing my GPT until it was too late. This shows how important it is to get early naval scouting as Venice. You probably don't want to keep going on a continents map that has your only sea trade partner as a single city state until the 1800's.
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Crazy Ted posted:I think I got the pinch. My closest neighbor is Shaka Zulu and one of the two closest after that is Bismarck (apparently, Germany and Poland have met me but I haven't found their lands yet). Also, whoever got the first Pantheon nabbed Goddess of Protection so that's out as a possibility. In Civ 4 shaka and monty were definitely bloodthirsty maniacs but this time around I find they are not a guarantee anymore for total war. Last game I even ended up becoming bestest of buddies with my neighbour shaka.
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I'm going to be honest for a second... I am a warmonger. Since playing Civ 4 and 5, I can count on one hand how many times I've won a non-domination victory. My first few games of BNW on Epic/Emporer went the same route but I'm constantly struggling with the monies since declaring war really hurts the trade routes. I've noticed that the AI seems a lot more hesitant to declare as well. So far, I think its a good change forcing me to try new things but the AI needs to be a bit more aggressive imo.
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Maybe they are more hesitant to declare war because they know they suck at the whole war thing. I have yet to see the AI mount a successful attack against one of my cities even when Im outnumbered and out-teched.
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Jesus Christ Shaka slow down. He not only managed to poo poo out 4 cities (that I could see) within 50 or so turns, he also stole all the Culture wonders to boot. 
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So after playing around with all the new civs, I went back to Babylon to test a Great Scientist settling spree. Pretty good. Wanted to go for a Science win, so not bothering with tourism, as whenever I've tried other win cons and built the guilds, you end up getting a cultural win long before the other win conditions come into play.
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Francis posted:Paying royalties for copyrighted music and art when most people will skip past them or never see them at all is not a very wise use of budget. They could have made up modern band names and just had a rock guitar lick/electronic/etc generic riff play.
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Just got my achievement for winning as Venice. I snowballed out of control after I got the +10 percent growth pantheon, Temple of Artemis, and Hanging Gardens. Mix that setup with a few food trade routes into Venice and I had a 30 pop city by about turn 150. Won a diplo victory after bribing all the city states with copious amounts of gold (I still had some 18,000 gold left in the bank at the end of the game)
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Saltin posted:They could have made up modern band names and just had a rock guitar lick/electronic/etc generic riff play. I don't know the law too well, but in America I think if you stick to just a five second clip or whatever, you don't actually have to pay royalties. There's a certain limit on what you can use freely. Also using made up names would kind of go against the spirit of the game. edit: This could just as easily be an issue with laws different country to country, though. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jul 20, 2013 |
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