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NHL on the Fly is practically the only non-game sports I watch. And that's like 80% live game anyhow!
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BrooklynBruiser posted:They will stop covering the Yankees and Red Sox when their Yankees and Red Sox coverage stops getting the most attention. This is, of course, a self-perpetuating system to some extent. But yes, ultimately ESPN is a perfect example of why for-profit news will inevitably be garbage.
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Benne posted:ESPN showed slow-pitch softball on this Saturday morning. The had the US v. USA Futures game on during the afternoon. The "extra hitter" for the US was the poster child of the public's veiw of slow pitch softball: a huge fat guy who would just loving rip the ball out of the park. All he was missing was the celebratory beer after rounding the bases.
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MD2020 posted:All he was missing was the celebratory beer after rounding the bases. After?
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Jul 16, 2013 01:54
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The NY Times is saying ESPN will announce tomorrow Olbermann is back with that late night show Hell has frozen over http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/s...&seid=auto&_r=0 itshappening.gif
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Vertical Lime posted:The NY Times is saying ESPN will announce tomorrow Olbermann is back with that late night show I say it will go about a year before he gets pissed and leaves again.
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Vertical Lime posted:itshappening.gif  Although in this case we need to replace Ron Paul's face with Olbermann's.
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Jul 17, 2013 06:24
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Ironic that in Those Guys Have All The Fun ESPN execs said when Fox Sports launched in early 90s that they wouldn't succeed because they hired Olbermann and he was a pain in the rear end.
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I like to type out that .gif because it's been played out. Those original reports suggested it's starting in November. The official announcement came out, and it will debut after the first night of the US Open next month. Won't he be pissed if it runs long: http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2013/07/olbermann-returning-to-espn2-with-daily-late-night-show-aug-26/
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Rousimar Pauladeen posted:Ironic that in Those Guys Have All The Fun ESPN execs said when Fox Sports launched in early 90s that they wouldn't succeed because they hired Olbermann and he was a pain in the rear end. Our ratings are down and our non-live-sports programming is a cesspool and we're rehiring the single most despised person in our history but nothing is wrong at ESPN no sir
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Crazy Ted posted:Well you can't write it out and then not post it you lazy jerk. It's a played out meme either way
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ElwoodCuse posted:Our ratings are down and our non-live-sports programming is a cesspool and we're rehiring the single most despised person in our history but nothing is wrong at ESPN no sir If they hire Dan Patrick back you know things are REALLY in the shitter.
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Jul 17, 2013 18:05
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So he isn't allowed to talk politics at all? Doesn't that give him an out when he gets bored and wants out of his contract? Just start talking politics and then they let him go?
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haljordan posted:If they hire Dan Patrick back you know things are REALLY in the shitter. He would never. He has a pretty sweet gig with NBC/his radio show/directTV.
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Jul 17, 2013 18:20
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davecrazy posted:He would never. He has a pretty sweet gig with NBC/his radio show/directTV. I bet if the cash was right he'd consider it.
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haljordan posted:I bet if the cash was right he'd consider it. I'm pretty sure if ESPN was the last place to work on Earth he'd just rather go broke e: if the leadership changed I suppose that could be different
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haljordan posted:I bet if the cash was right he'd consider it.
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Jul 17, 2013 23:06
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So ESPN is adding Nate Silver, any thoughts? I'm vaguely familiar with him but have no real opinion.
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chunkles posted:So ESPN is adding Nate Silver, any thoughts? I'm vaguely familiar with him but have no real opinion. Good with putting numbers together, sometimes good at interpreting the meaning of them. That's kind of it.
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Only tangentially related to journalism, but SBNation took a clip of Tom Rinaldi laughing and reversed it, in the process making one of the creepiest things of all time.
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Welcome to hell, Nate.
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chunkles posted:So ESPN is adding Nate Silver, any thoughts? I'm vaguely familiar with him but have no real opinion. Rob Neyer 2.0
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chunkles posted:So ESPN is adding Nate Silver, any thoughts? I'm vaguely familiar with him but have no real opinion. I'm glad he's dropping this politics bullshit to get back to something important like projecting the performance of baseball players.
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MourningView posted:I'm glad he's dropping this politics bullshit to get back to something important like projecting the performance of baseball players. And being called a nerd by ESPN on-air "personalities."
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Jul 20, 2013 14:18
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Hope he's ready for lots of games of "Stop Hitting Yourself".
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MourningView posted:I'm glad he's dropping this politics bullshit to get back to something important like projecting the performance of baseball players. Right after the election he said, either in an interview or in his blog, that he was thinking about moving on from politics to something else. It's just a little surprising he'd return to baseball/sports. Dude has enough clout now that he could probably go start his own website and do whatever the hell he wants. I hope he's getting a nice payday here, at least.
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Probably get fewer death threats covering sports then politics. Unless its SEC football.
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davecrazy posted:Probably get fewer death threats covering sports then politics. Unless its SEC football. The SEC is actually slower than the Pac 12.
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Really can't wait for Sportscenter to have all of these glitzy glammory cut-tos of clips and home runs and scoring touchdowns and loud noises and WOO HOO IN YOUR FACE SPORTS with an "anchor" saying WELCOME TO SPORTSCENTER I'M DAN HIGGINBOTTOM AS COOL AS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PILLOW FILL THINE HORN WITH OIL AND GO and cut midway into a very calm, collected nate silver saying "if you look at the numbers, ..." how in the gently caress is ESPN going to use Nate Silver to even justify paying him? I really really hope they do the same thing they did to Rick Reilly and make him host an awkward, clumsy sportscenter.
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The broken bones posted:Really can't wait for Sportscenter to have all of these glitzy glammory cut-tos of clips and home runs and scoring touchdowns and loud noises and WOO HOO IN YOUR FACE SPORTS with an "anchor" saying WELCOME TO SPORTSCENTER I'M DAN HIGGINBOTTOM AS COOL AS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PILLOW FILL THINE HORN WITH OIL AND GO and cut midway into a very calm, collected nate silver saying "if you look at the numbers, ..." I mean, it's there in the story: "At ESPN, Mr. Silver is expected to have a wide-ranging portfolio. Along with his writing and number-crunching, he will most likely be a regular contributor to “Olbermann,” the late-night ESPN2 talk show hosted by Keith Olbermann that will have its debut at the end of August. In political years, he will also have a role at ABC News, which is owned by Disney."
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Even if he starts with a decent TV role, it'll be reduced the first time he sticks with actual numbers and facts instead of furthering ESPN's narrative on a particular issue.
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MourningView posted:I would guess most of his stuff will be for the website, not TV. And it's not like they've never had numbers guys before. the audience for that has really died out thanks to fangraphs, BP after Silver, etc. And even then, the entire audience is pretty drat small to justify hiring him away from the NYT, which probably didn't cost a ton, but probably more than they're willing to admit. On top of that, ESPN's gone so far away from that, it's hard to imagine just building an audience from scratch. I mean, best case scenario, Silver works his magic and it forces fans like us to read ESPN again, but do you really see the ESPN audience embracing Silver? fake edit: not that I don't love Silver getting back into sports, but this sounds like ESPN trying to regain credibility with one signing.
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I'm willing to give an espn.com url a chance again if Nate Silver is the one publishing stuff there. I admit it, I'm not afraid. That doesn't mean I'm going to like, watch, or acknowledge the existence of First Take. The first time they put him and Skip Bayless in a room, if they don't allow Silver to lay the numbers smack down then I'm out.
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They haven't gone that far away from it. Hell, they're only a year away from pushing QBR in football like it was this great revelation that was going to explain everything.
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The broken bones posted:the audience for that has really died out thanks to fangraphs, BP after Silver, etc. And even then, the entire audience is pretty drat small to justify hiring him away from the NYT, which probably didn't cost a ton, but probably more than they're willing to admit. He's going to be writing for ABC News during elections, too, so it seems like a good deal for everyone involved. ESPN gets gets a credibility hire, ABC News gets a proven draw, and Silver gets steady work during his "offseason".
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As I understand it he's basically going to build FiveThirtyEight as a news/politics oriented version Grantland, do Olbermann's new show a lot, probably do a podcast/his own type show, and do occasional shots for ABC or ESPN when they want to do pop culture predictions. I don't think they're going to make him a SportsCenter anchor or anything like that.
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morestuff posted:He's going to be writing for ABC News during elections, too, so it seems like a good deal for everyone involved. ESPN gets gets a credibility hire, ABC News gets a proven draw, and Silver gets steady work during his "offseason". Considering how you put it, that makes a lot more sense; but again, he's been looking to move away from politics, so this could blow up pretty spectacularly if that turns into "I don't want to do politics anymore." Kalli posted:They haven't gone that far away from it. Hell, they're only a year away from pushing QBR in football like it was this great revelation that was going to explain everything. This is the same network that had FAVRE and is now promoting the poo poo out of Johnny Manziel. They have an entire talk show around Skip Bayless saying outrageous things. As I'm typing this, a guy on sportscenter literally ascribed the Dodgers' rise in the NL West to Yasiel Puig. ESPN has been behind the curve on stats for more than 10 years now because it never had ratings. They chose to ignore it and pander to the opposition crowd for almost all of that, minus the backhanded mentions of WAR or defensive metrics on sportscenter once in a blue moon. Brian Kenny was a pretty decent sportscenter guy who knew his stats and brought them up regularly, but never got a fair chance. He was given ESPNews regularly and was given a script and that was that. He left for MLB when they offered him broader roles. He created his own show and it's turned out to be pretty drat good. Now maybe the football side of ESPN is more progressive, but the baseball side is definitely old boys club. Not that the Silver signing isn't bad, but we're talking 10+ years of hiring like-minded "I like sports" people who grew up with the catchphrase sportscenters and don't see any problem with that. For change to happen at ESPN, it has to be massive. You have producers, directors, programmers, etc., who will have no idea what Silver is talking about and have no idea how to use him. A couple of discussions on Keith Olbermann's show is whatever--that show probably won't do well in ratings either since most of ESPN's audience doesn't remember him and Olbermann will probably leave angry again. Then you just have Silver and no platform for him. Eventually, they'll give Silver a small clip to talk and then give another clip to John Kruk or Jon Gruden completely negating what Silver said and consider that equal coverage. He'll be phased out sooner or later because the audience of ESPN won't understand him. Writing a few articles on ESPN.com won't justify bringing him on board. Changing a couple of planks on the ship of theseus doesn't change the ship. I hope I'm wrong and I hope Silver finds a groove, but this most definitely sounds like set up for failure.
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