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Crazy Ted posted:I think I got the pinch. My closest neighbor is Shaka Zulu and one of the two closest after that is Bismarck (apparently, Germany and Poland have met me but I haven't found their lands yet). Also, whoever got the first Pantheon nabbed Goddess of Protection so that's out as a possibility. The real secret to Venice is having production, since granaries come well before workshops and you need to build a lot of crap early. Getting your first puppet to send food to your capital is no problem, but if you lack hammers getting all those early buildings are a chore. This reminds me, my favorite change in BNW is how all the techs are viable early. Previously awful early techs like fishing are now excellent, ditto engineering. Civil Service is still excellent but no longer a beeline regardless of civ. you still need universities but half the time I grab metal casting first, which I never did in G&K. I actually agree with someone earlier they should switch CS with guilds to give swordsmen more time to shine, but otherwise I can't complain.
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Finally got BNW, fired up a game and started with the usual strategy. All was going fantastic... and then it turns out you now need a declaration of friendship to sell luxury resources? Never really realized how my entire strategy book was based on that one, simple thing. I guess back to Prince I go!
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Jul 20, 2013 16:52
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I never realized how much people relied on selling luxuries to the AI until I read this thread. But you can still sell them for GPT, just not lump sums.
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Jul 20, 2013 16:58
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Kanfy posted:I never realized how much people relied on selling luxuries to the AI until I read this thread. 6 GPT for 30 turns is way less gold than the 240 lump sum and it's spread out of 30 turns so you can't chain together luxuries to get a lot of settlers and workers out extremely fast.
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Jul 20, 2013 17:06
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Kanfy posted:I never realized how much people relied on selling luxuries to the AI until I read this thread. Yeah, it was very much my go-to strategy to get ahead the AI on King and beyond. I don't mind the change though, all for going back to the drawing board and starting strategics from scratch.
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Jul 20, 2013 17:09
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Kanfy posted:I never realized how much people relied on selling luxuries to the AI until I read this thread. It was a really powerful strategy. Once you get some friendships made it's still good to sell luxuries to the AI for 240g on a regular basis as a strong supplement to your income, but even at 6GPT that's still a good boost. It's better than letting those resources sit around doing nothing for you, and in the very early game your excess happiness isn't large enough to matter for golden ages anyways. Honestly, I'm not sure you can win at all on Emperor or later without doing some resource selling.
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Jul 20, 2013 18:01
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Instead of opting right for Civ 5 I decided to get Civ 4 since I never played it. I got the complete edition and I'm not sure where to jump in. Are there any must have mods? Should I play with the expansions right from the get go?
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Jul 20, 2013 18:52
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Has anyone had any issues with quick combat? I've just had it start doing it in the middle of my current game. Not sure why. I've gone into the settings to make sure it didn't get changed somehow, I've tried booting it up in DX 9, I can't figure out what the deal is.
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Jul 20, 2013 18:54
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apophenium posted:Instead of opting right for Civ 5 I decided to get Civ 4 since I never played it. I got the complete edition and I'm not sure where to jump in. Are there any must have mods? Should I play with the expansions right from the get go? Yeah, absolutely. Just start playing with Beyond the Sword, it has everything from the previous expansion and is the best version of Civ 4, hands down.
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Jul 20, 2013 19:01
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs I won this baby: Dark Horse Win a Diplomatic Victory without ever being the host of the World Congress. 0.1% On Emperor Large!
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Jul 20, 2013 19:03
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apophenium posted:Instead of opting right for Civ 5 I decided to get Civ 4 since I never played it. I got the complete edition and I'm not sure where to jump in. Are there any must have mods? Should I play with the expansions right from the get go? Yes, start with Beyond the Sword right off the bat. As is customary, vanilla Civ IV was mediocre, while each successive expansion improved the game to the point that, with BtS, it's easily one of the best games of all time. As for mods, I'd suggest playing at least a few games unmodded just to get your bearings, but after that look into the BUG Mod. It doesn't fundamentally change gameplay, but adds a whole host of UI improvements and generally exposes a lot of additional information. It's kind of a "power user" thing, though, and the base game is already a bit much in terms of complexity when you're just getting started.
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Jul 20, 2013 19:04
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edit: ^^^^ I wouldn't say that base Civ IV was mediocre, I thought it was really good at the time. There were a few bad balance issues that had to be worked out, though.apophenium posted:Instead of opting right for Civ 5 I decided to get Civ 4 since I never played it. I got the complete edition and I'm not sure where to jump in. Are there any must have mods? Should I play with the expansions right from the get go? Many people swear by the BUG mod, and I enjoy it a lot too, but it might be a bit information overload for new players, I'm not sure. http://civ4bug.sourceforge.net/BUGMod.html The one odd part about Civ IV is that the tutorial only exists in the base game, but the expansions completely supplant it and should be played exclusively after you get done with the tutorial. I suggest, after doing the tutorial in vanilla Civ IV, that you just jump right into Beyond the Sword at the warlord difficulty level. Any easier and it's almost too easy, like a sandbox, it's hard to learn much in that environment. After getting a game or two under your belt, check out this pretty great beginner's guide for some more involved strategies: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=165632
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Jul 20, 2013 19:05
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:edit: ^^^^ I wouldn't say that base Civ IV was mediocre, I thought it was really good at the time. There were a few bad balance issues that had to be worked out, though.  I mean I guess it's subjective, but I eagerly bought Civ IV at release and was pretty disappointed. It didn't seem outright bad, but it completely failed to draw me in the way II and even III had done. When I came back to it much later, post-BtS, it hooked me big-time.But whatever, it's a moot point! Everyone agrees that BtS is awesome, so play it.
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apophenium posted:Instead of opting right for Civ 5 I decided to get Civ 4 since I never played it. I got the complete edition and I'm not sure where to jump in. Are there any must have mods? Should I play with the expansions right from the get go? I always use K-mod nowadays. It clears up a few things, and also greatly improves the AI and optimizes the game. It also changes religion spread and global warming to make them more intuitive which can be annoying if you were used to the old systems but since you're new it should not be a problem.
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Bashez posted:I've just gotten so used to the 4g from monuments, 8 gold from garrisons, and 4ish gold from my capital that when I play Liberty I screw myself over because I'm not getting all this passive money. Usually as Tradition I don't even build trade routes, favoring wonders instead. I'd rather put the 85 hammers (with tradition) toward a wonder rather than something that's going to generate 4-6 gold per turn but cost 2-4 per turn walking my poo poo out there to guard them. Instead I build wonders and then food stuff the newer cities. Not building trade routes is one of the whackiest playstyle decisions i've ever heard. Even if they aren't making me much money, they're worthwhile for religious pressure and for the diplomatic benefits. You're not building city connections, you're not building trade routes, you're just making money from working tiles and pillaging cities? That's pretty rough. Free settler, free worker, and being able to manual build settlers without too much pain usually makes up for the GPT difference, but i play on Quick so it's only 1GPT for Monument and a preposterous portion of my expenditures remains rush buying the first settler and not infrequently rush buying a worker (so i can rush buy archers!). Speaking of, i had one of the most unfortunate starts last night. There's no islands and Caesar founded a second city on turn 20 (  ) and completely cut me off from getting to other parts of the one continent we have (that has 7 civs on it) so i wound up with two cities and started stabbing him to death with Kris Swordsmen (which are utterly utterly fantastic).
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Jul 20, 2013 20:06
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Does anyone have good experience with ideologies on deity? I feel like I can never have control over my ideology choices and I just have to go with the pack since it comes right in the middle of the period where you're sling shotting passed the AIs. I'm not quite ready to deal with a -10 or -20 happiness modifier and I've never been culturally prepared to defend against it and I am not sure you even can be on deity.
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Jul 20, 2013 20:11
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So this multiplayer giant robot thing seems awesome.. We should get an SA GK+BNW game going. Anyone interested? Also is there an IRC channel? Didn't see one in the OP
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Jul 20, 2013 20:11
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When playing indonesia, is it worth settling even a tiny 1 hex island just for the bonus resource, or should you at least hold out for something that has another resource on it?
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Jul 20, 2013 20:23
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apophenium posted:Instead of opting right for Civ 5 I decided to get Civ 4 since I never played it. I got the complete edition and I'm not sure where to jump in. Are there any must have mods? Should I play with the expansions right from the get go? Jesus, dude, I almost forgot to tell you the most essential part of the Civ IV BTS experience. As soon as you boot the game the first time click 'advanced', open the options, and set the 'opening menu' back to 'Civilization IV'. You can thank me later. 
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Jul 20, 2013 20:24
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Varjon posted:When playing indonesia, is it worth settling even a tiny 1 hex island just for the bonus resource, or should you at least hold out for something that has another resource on it? If there's a few atolls and fish and such (that is to say, 'has good potential for growth') i think it's worth it, but if the city has no possible redeeming features other than 'will generate two new lux' probably not.
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Jul 20, 2013 20:27
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I have a question about Indonesia, what does a different continent mean in the context of its UA? Is it any landmass at all that's not connected to your capital, even small islands right off the coast? Does it have to be another proper continent?Bashez posted:I've just gotten so used to the 4g from monuments, 8 gold from garrisons, and 4ish gold from my capital that when I play Liberty I screw myself over because I'm not getting all this passive money. Usually as Tradition I don't even build trade routes, favoring wonders instead. I'd rather put the 85 hammers (with tradition) toward a wonder rather than something that's going to generate 4-6 gold per turn but cost 2-4 per turn walking my poo poo out there to guard them. Instead I build wonders and then food stuff the newer cities. I missed this post earlier, so I'll just agree with tulip and say that you're really undervaluing trade routes. You don't have to keep a constant guard on a trade route unless it's to some far-off distant location, in which case you should reconsider your choice of route. In BNW don't find myself building much more of a military than I was in G&K, I just use the military I already would have to occasionally check the trade routes, so it's not extra gold per turn lost. A lot of your strategy will also fall apart on anything higher than the medium difficulties as the AI will be more aggressive in settling and with its military, and you'll be beaten to most wonders. I will readily admit that below King difficulty, Tradition is probably objectively better in most circumstances for peaceful play.
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Jul 20, 2013 20:29
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I don't know the law too well, but in America I think if you stick to just a five second clip or whatever, you don't actually have to pay royalties. There's a certain limit on what you can use freely. Also using made up names would kind of go against the spirit of the game. This isn't true. While fair use does take into account the portion of the original work being used, it's only one of four factors, and there's no hard limit. In fact, in Elsmere Music v. NBC, the defendant used only four notes and they still lost. Back on topic, last night I tried bribing my neighbor (Pachacuti) into a really early war against my other neighbor (Isabella) as a distraction while I built up for my own attack. I was surprised how cheap it was. He asked for like 1 spare luxury and 1 GPT. Anyway, I crippled Isabella pretty badly, got the mutual war bonus with Pachacuti, and stayed friends with him for the entire rest of the game. Maybe I'll try pitting AIs against each other more often.
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Jul 20, 2013 20:33
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Varjon posted:When playing indonesia, is it worth settling even a tiny 1 hex island just for the bonus resource, or should you at least hold out for something that has another resource on it? I'd probably pass on a one-hex island unless I had enough gold to rush a harbor. A two-hex island where the other hex was a hill or a sheep or something, I'd probably go for. (Assuming I was using some kind of Liberty/Piety ICS strategy, anyway.)
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Jul 20, 2013 20:44
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If you go Exploration and/or have God of the Sea for your pantheon beliefs, a one-hex island with a couple fish or sea resource tiles can build up into a decent specialist city fairly fast. A one-tile city with hills on that tile, +3 hammers from coastal, +1 from liberty, you're looking at, what, six hammers right off the bat?
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Jul 20, 2013 20:48
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Tao Jones posted:I'd probably pass on a one-hex island unless I had enough gold to rush a harbor. A two-hex island where the other hex was a hill or a sheep or something, I'd probably go for. (Assuming I was using some kind of Liberty/Piety ICS strategy, anyway.) In my latest game I settled a two-hex island that had coal on it, with an atoll within eventual reach. (I didn't have any other coal.) It was worth it.
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Jul 20, 2013 20:49
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BNW stream about to start over at: http://www.twitch.tv/captainfargle
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Fintilgin posted:Jesus, dude, I almost forgot to tell you the most essential part of the Civ IV BTS experience. As soon as you boot the game the first time click 'advanced', open the options, and set the 'opening menu' back to 'Civilization IV'. BABA YETU YETU ULIYE! Haha, I love that song so much. So I did the tutorial and kind of got a feel for things and then booted up a BtS game. The glowing blue recommended move things are so tantalizing I've just been sticking to those. How damaging is relying on that going to be for me in the long run? Should I turn them off and have to think for myself? I
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I have a question about Indonesia, what does a different continent mean in the context of its UA? Is it any landmass at all that's not connected to your capital, even small islands right off the coast? Does it have to be another proper continent? Nope! Just any old island will do, as long as it's doesn't have any of your cities on it already.
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Man. This game is a lot of fun sometimes. Someone recommended how to go about being the best warmonger, so I followed his plan. I was surrounded by city states and so I started conquering the easier not on hill ones as soon as I had two archers and a warrior. I decided to try to take out Japan, but they had composite bows and were kicking my rear end so I retreated my troops and upgraded my archers to composites, then Atilla and Kamehameha declared war on me and I was thinking I was hosed, but I kept what I had left of my army near my capital after retreating from Japan and managed to beat back Kamehameha's troops, then Atilla signed a very, very generous peace treaty with me without ever setting foot in my territory giving me iron and horses which I was seriously lacking. Then my neighbor to the north declared war on me while Japan's troops start forming on my eastern borders for some payback. With my new horse troops and swordsmen I managed to conquer the neighbor to the north completely while beating back Japan and later signing a peace treaty where they gave me one of their cities. Now to conquer the city-states that are left in the middle of my territory.
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My games have been extremely peaceful ever since the expansion came out, unless I specifically incite war (one way or another) early on, or I'm in a game with Shaka or Montezuma. This peace never lasts, though - once the World Congress hits (and especially once ideologies come into play) there's a steady escalation of diplomatic tension that usually explodes into a world war sometime around 1900-1940 AD. 
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Man, this loving game. Atilla surprise attacked me. I beat him back, then marched on one of his cities, took it, and puppeted, then signed a very generous peace deal at 1 gpt and nothing else, considering I could have marched to his capital right then and there and probably taken it. Now I'M the warmonger.
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Jul 20, 2013 22:03
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The warmongering label seems a little ridiculous. To easy to get. I took a CS worker, then later was caught stealing from Ramesses who i shared borders with and that was enough to declare war on me.
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Varjon posted:Man, this loving game. Atilla surprise attacked me. I beat him back, then marched on one of his cities, took it, and puppeted, then signed a very generous peace deal at 1 gpt and nothing else, considering I could have marched to his capital right then and there and probably taken it. Now I'M the warmonger. The warmonger penalty for taking/razing a city is a scale that incorporates the number of cities you own, they own, and total cities built on the map. If Atilla had very few cities and/or you had more cities than him, and if the other civs only have settled a couple cities apiece, then the penalty would be fairly high.
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Sometimes, you just want to watch the world burn and for that there is Assyria.
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This has probably been asked before, but I bought civ5 when it was released. With the steam deals should I buy the Kings DLC for 7.50 or get BNW for 30?
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Gold Upgrade. Then BNW. Greenmangaming has a 30% off coupon for Brave New World. http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/en/pc/games/strategy/sid-meiers-civilization-v-brave-new-world-na/
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Healy posted:This has probably been asked before, but I bought civ5 when it was released. With the steam deals should I buy the Kings DLC for 7.50 or get BNW for 30? No, buy the Gold Edition Upgrade for like $5, THEN buy BNW, IF you care about all the other scenarios and civs. If not, just get BNW
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If I only have vanilla Civ 5, can I still play multiplayer with a friend with the gold edition?
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Kanfy posted:I never realized how much people relied on selling luxuries to the AI until I read this thread. Except the AI doesn't have GPT most of the time and they still gain phantom money while being negative really frequently.
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Has anyone managed to convince another civ (that you did not liberate) to vote for you as either World Congress Host or World Leader?
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