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SNOWBIRDS! They used to come perform in Juneau every year. Those pilots are fantastic.
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Saw that United is getting a new Scimitar split winglet on all their 737-800's. Pretty bad rear end looking and gives 2% increase in fuel economy as well. They're installing them on all their 737, 757, and 767's and will save them 200 million a year on jet fuel. http://www.asdnews.com/news-50249/United_Airlines_is_First_to_Install_Split_Scimitar_Winglets.htm  
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Jul 19, 2013 00:53
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OptimusMatrix posted:Saw that United is getting a new Scimitar split winglet on all their 737-800's. Pretty bad rear end looking and gives 2% increase in fuel economy as well. They're installing them on all their 737, 757, and 767's and will save them 200 million a year on jet fuel. Goddamn. I wonder how much the cost is to modify the fleet like that.
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Jul 19, 2013 01:23
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OptimusMatrix posted:Saw that United is getting a new Scimitar split winglet on all their 737-800's. Pretty bad rear end looking and gives 2% increase in fuel economy as well. They're installing them on all their 737, 757, and 767's and will save them 200 million a year on jet fuel. What's the exact AeroE reason these do even better than normal winglets? Further dampening/reduction in vortices?
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Jul 19, 2013 01:26
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In response Delta will probably scrounge up some more gas guzzling DC-9-50s. Because, wtf is going on at Delta.
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Jul 19, 2013 01:27
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movax posted:What's the exact AeroE reason these do even better than normal winglets? Further dampening/reduction in vortices? Winglets work not by reducing wingtip vortices (it is an effect of a winglet, however) but by increasing the effective span of the wing. By adding the split section, it has the effect of further increasing the effective span without resorting to a larger winglet (which would present structural and flutter issues, as well as ground handling issues beyond a certain size), or adding more wingspan for that matter, (which has its own issues, like gate space and the extreme cost of redesigning the wing). Edit: The split winglet is definitely in the realm of diminishing returns. Compared to a non-winglet 737, the split winglet is claimed to show a fuel savings of 5.5% over a typical mission length. This compares to a savings of about 4% for the old-style blended winglet over a non-winglet aircraft. Of course, these savings can be higher or lower according to mission length and also if the airline operates their aircraft to trade off some efficiency for noise abatement, extra payload, climb performance, etc. MrChips fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jul 19, 2013 |
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Jul 19, 2013 01:43
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hobbesmaster posted:In response Delta will probably scrounge up some more gas guzzling DC-9-50s. Because, wtf is going on at Delta. They like their airplanes cheap. They are getting 737-900ERs soon (I think later this year) though.
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Jul 19, 2013 02:08
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hobbesmaster posted:In response Delta will probably scrounge up some more gas guzzling DC-9-50s. Because, wtf is going on at Delta. They start taking delivery of AirTran's used 717s this year and will continue recieving them through 2015.
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Jul 19, 2013 03:01
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Advent Horizon posted:They start taking delivery of AirTran's used 717s this year and will continue recieving them through 2015. What the hell. I've never heard of or been on a 717 and I've never been on one despite being elite on AirTran.
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Jul 19, 2013 04:37
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Jealous Cow posted:What the hell. I've never heard of or been on a 717 and I've never been on one despite being elite on AirTran. Yea you have. It's a DC-9 variant. Boeing renamed it the 717 after buying out Mcdonnell Douglas.
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Jul 19, 2013 04:43
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holocaust bloopers posted:Yea you have. It's a DC-9 variant. Boeing renamed it the 717 after buying out Mcdonnell Douglas. They were going to call it the MD-95. Last one rolled out sometime around 2006 IIRC.
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Jul 19, 2013 05:37
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holocaust bloopers posted:Yea you have. It's a DC-9 variant. Boeing renamed it the 717 after buying out Mcdonnell Douglas. I've only ever been on their 37s. Never been on a rear engine AirTran aircraft.
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Jul 19, 2013 05:38
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holocaust bloopers posted:Goddamn. I wonder how much the cost is to modify the fleet like that. I was trying to remember how much the 767 winglet program cost, googled it, and well, here you go! http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/products_list_prices.php $545k per aircraft plus labour. I think you probably have to have the blended winglet already installed.
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Jul 19, 2013 05:43
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hobbesmaster posted:In response Delta will probably scrounge up some more gas guzzling DC-9-50s. Because, wtf is going on at Delta. Airlines can have huge capital expenditure and darken the skies with fleets of the latest and greatest fuel-efficient aircraft while trying to keep utilization rates as high as possible (e.g Emirates). Another option would be to minimize capital expenditure on used, though serviceable fleets, while keeping utilization rates low, depressing your operating costs on those tired, fuel sucking machines. If you put in a new interior as Delta is doing, the flying public will even happily assume they're getting on a shiny, new airplane. This is a gross simplification of the model, but you get the idea. There's no one right way to make money operating an airline. If that's even possible. Understeer fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jul 19, 2013 |
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Jul 19, 2013 06:36
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Jealous Cow posted:What the hell. I've never heard of or been on a 717 and I've never been on one despite being elite on AirTran. How on earth is that possible? AirTran has 88 717s and 40 737s. In other fun news, JAL 7 returned to Boston yesterday with a possible fuel pump issue. Things aren't going too smoothly for the 787.
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Jul 19, 2013 11:57
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Understeer posted:This is a gross simplification of the model, but you get the idea. There's no one right way to make money operating an airline. If that's even possible. I think you mean there's no right way to try to minimize your operating losses. Delta also owns refinery capacity in an effort to hedge their fuel costs, but last I heard that wasn't going as well as they anticipated.
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Jul 19, 2013 11:58
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:How on earth is that possible? AirTran has 88 717s and 40 737s. I have two separate round trip flights coming up partially on Airtran. Out of the 3 flights, two are 717s and the other is a 737. Should be interesting. It's my first time flying with them and on a 717.
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Jul 19, 2013 12:39
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Cock Democracy posted:I have two separate round trip flights coming up partially on Airtran. Out of the 3 flights, two are 717s and the other is a 737. Should be interesting. It's my first time flying with them and on a 717. AirTran is meh but you will enjoy the 717. Smooth and quiet.
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Jul 19, 2013 12:43
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Polymerized Cum posted:AirTran is meh but you will enjoy the 717. Smooth and quiet. Unless you're in Row 31, where you get to enjoy the beautiful sound of Rolls Royce engineering.
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Jul 19, 2013 12:51
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holocaust bloopers posted:Goddamn. I wonder how much the cost is to modify the fleet like that. Presumably less than the $200 million a year they think this will save them in fuel costs?
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Jul 19, 2013 13:21
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:In other fun news, JAL 7 returned to Boston yesterday with a possible fuel pump issue. Things aren't going too smoothly for the 787. Came to post this, but at least I'll give the link http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/07/18/boeing-dreamliner-plane-returns-to-boston-for-possible-fuel-pump-issue/
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Jul 19, 2013 15:00
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Jealous Cow posted:What the hell. I've never heard of or been on a 717 and I've never been on one despite being elite on AirTran. I used to ride them all the time bouncing between Detroit/Flint and Atlanta. AirTran was pretty much defined by the 717 IMHO. Rear row is the worst 
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Jul 19, 2013 15:24
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movax posted:I used to ride them all the time bouncing between Detroit/Flint and Atlanta. AirTran was pretty much defined by the 717 IMHO. I don't think I've ever not flown business class on AirTran. I flew between Richmond and Orlando weekly for several months and it was a 737 every time.
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Jul 19, 2013 15:36
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:How on earth is that possible? AirTran has 88 717s and 40 737s. If he was only flying certain routes, I guess. At LAX and SFO I've only ever seen the 737 from AirTran, for example.
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Jul 19, 2013 15:43
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:In other fun news, JAL 7 returned to Boston yesterday with a possible fuel pump issue. Things aren't going too smoothly for the 787. Obviously nobody wants an air turnback, but I think this is really just a case of heightened media sensitivity to anything 787 related. If it was a 767 it probably wouldn't have even been reported.
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Jul 19, 2013 15:48
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Linedance posted:Obviously nobody wants an air turnback, but I think this is really just a case of heightened media sensitivity to anything 787 related. If it was a 767 it probably wouldn't have even been reported. Pretty much. That kind of poo poo happens all the time too. In just a few months of radar training I've dealt with a few "We're not declaring an emergency, but..." situations already.
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Jul 19, 2013 16:21
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MrYenko posted:Safety wire and speed tape, mostly. Also they can't make more than one trip anywhere without breaking for at least a week.
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Jul 19, 2013 16:33
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Polymerized Cum posted:AirTran is meh but you will enjoy the 717. Smooth and quiet. So no hydraulic APU or whatever the gently caress it is under the over wing exit rows?
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Jul 19, 2013 18:56
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 Nice view, probably not so nice if you're afraid if heights.
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Wait until it takes off. 
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The uncomfortableness of that point of view depends entirely on how old/unserviceable the bucket truck you're in is... Last time I did it was in one that was built when Nixon was president, and had to have a third guy in the cab with his foot on the throttle to keep the engine (and, by extension, the hydraulic pump) from stalling. 
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Not quite on that scale, but when I worked at the plane refurbish place I did right out of high school, we had the most ghetto scaffold in the history of everything. Holy gently caress that thing scared the poo poo out of me. We had a lightly used Hawker 4000 come in for a re-stripe in the owners corporate colors, and doing the vertical stab sucked rear end. The horizontals were in the way and I had to lean over the side of the scaffold, extend my arm way out, and use the dual-action sander that way. gently caress that, never again. That rickety piece of poo poo was swaying all over. I'm pretty sure it was a leftover from when our two hangers had P-51's in them when Stewart was an air force base. Those hangars ruled, though, our sandblaster was a two stage, two story unit we got from the military as surplus, and used a fire hose sized tube to spray media. We could strip a Citation II down in less than a day. Also, the hangar doors were electric, but they had an alert lever hooked up with giant gently caress off counterweights attached to them. The penalty for activating the switch was death IIRC, it happened once while I was there and they had to call some old timer in at considerable expense to reset it. None of us knew how. Changing the ceiling lights required one of us to ride the hangar door up, then shimmy across it until we could climb on the walkways like 40 feet above the floor. Safety was very important! Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jul 20, 2013 |
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Jul 20, 2013 00:30
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Thank you, convective SIGMET 16E for ensuring a good night's sleep. Love, A very sleepy flight medic.
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Linedance posted:Obviously nobody wants an air turnback, but I think this is really just a case of heightened media sensitivity to anything 787 related. If it was a 767 it probably wouldn't have even been reported. Yeah of course.
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It's Saturday and I'm putting off showering. Pic dump.                  Edit: Those big yellow chocks holding the C-5 and KC-10 in place? Yeah, I made those 
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Awesome pics!! I had to look this up. It's a Lockheed JetStar. 4 engines, cool.
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CharlesM posted:Awesome pics!! They're very rare these days. I think they got a namedrop in Goldfinger.
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StandardVC10 posted:They're very rare these days. I think they got a namedrop in Goldfinger. Not a namedrop, but it was the jet at the end of the film that Gert Fröbe got sucked out of.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Not a namedrop, but it was the jet at the end of the film that Gert Fröbe got sucked out of. I could have sworn that James Bond was actually told "You're aboard Goldfinger's personal Lockheed JetStar..." or something like that, but it's been a while since I watched.
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God drat thats a sexy Goose.
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