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effectual posted:Why's everyone hate on the Stallone Dredd anyway? It doesn't have the 3 seashells but it does have Cursed Earth Pizza, and THE LAW. Also that kickass ABC robot. Despite being visually closer to the comics the Stallone Dredd missed the thematic elements and atmosphere.
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etalian posted:Despite being visually closer to the comics the Stallone Dredd missed the thematic elements and atmosphere. Even Stallone was aware of this, there's an interview somewhere where he's flabbergasted that they made all these super convincing cyberpunk dystopian sets that you only see in the movie for like ten seconds.
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I still like it and it's a well made movie - maybe not as close to the comics as this Dredd but there is room for both.
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Jul 22, 2013 22:30
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Cream_Filling posted:There was some speculation from the director, etc., that if they got a trilogy, the sequel would be some version of the democracy storyline, maybe with a little cursed earth, and the third would be Dredd vs. Death. Come on guys, it could be done on the cheap but still be good 
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Kegluneq posted:Come on guys, it could be done on the cheap but still be good Most of the budget would probably be spent on a lawyer to preemtively make an airtight defense against the inevitable mcDonalds lawsuit.
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Vintersorg posted:I still like it and it's a well made movie - maybe not as close to the comics as this Dredd but there is room for both. I still remember seeing Stallone Dredd in theaters as a kid and being in awe of how cool Megacity-1 and the ABC Warbot looked.
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Noticed something a bit odd about the logo for the local credit union today: 
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Neo Rasa posted:Even Stallone was aware of this, there's an interview somewhere where he's flabbergasted that they made all these super convincing cyberpunk dystopian sets that you only see in the movie for like ten seconds. Yeah, Stallone has actually apologised for his Dredd movie. Everything looked so good, nobody realised they were making a mess.
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If Dredd was like a modern Assault on Precinct 13, or Escape from New York. Then the sequel can be a modern day Mad Max II.
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All Dredd crossovers are canon and in real time, hence him now being a 60something dude who's survived ghost judges, zombie apocalypses, Batman and Batman villains, Aliens, Predators, McDonalds, all the worst poo poo the universe has to offer yet still keeps on trucking giving no fucks.Hob_Gadling posted:Forget the psychic undead foreign dimensions and concentrate on what's interesting: he's just like Dredd. Just as unrelenting and absolute in his brand of Law, just as consistent in dispensing it. He even has fans both in the City and in the Justice Department (because you got to admit, the man makes sense when you think about it). There's part of me that's convinced Florida is only one more crazy day away from adopting his, ah, unique interpretation of crime prevention. Anyway, said it before and I'll say it again - I *need* to see the "gaze into the face of FEAR" scene on the big screen. In IMAX. In 3D.
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Sentinel Red posted:
So long as it's immediately followed up with this:  That'd be a great use of 3D, actually, showing that shot from Judge Fears POV.
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Sentinel Red posted:All Dredd crossovers are canon and in real time, hence him now being a 60something dude who's survived ghost judges, zombie apocalypses, Batman and Batman villains, Aliens, Predators, McDonalds, all the worst poo poo the universe has to offer yet still keeps on trucking giving no fucks. Dredd's in his 70s now, though that's probably 65-equivalent or thereabouts with future medicine and bionics. He also gives many fucks, but he tends to make stands on issues then set it aside the rest of the time. For the few people who do not know what the "gaze into the face of Fear" scene is, let me fill you in.  
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If you're going to Judge Death, but you intend to turn it into some grim and gritty 'believable' take on the concept, then just don't do Judge Death.
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Honestly, having the majority of the world be like in the first movie but having Judge Death be exactly the same as he is in the comics would be awesome.
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Better make both versions then.
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If you do a Cursed Earth movie, you can do the Judge Child quest. And then have his GRIM PROPHECY relate directly to the Dark Judge incursion (movie 3) instead of how it actually turned out. Although that's way too fan-servicing to actually work. Judge Death can be done with the same tone as the first if he's presented as both Jungian nightmare and alien superfiend, but never defined concretely as either. Only Psi Judges see him personified, but everybody sees and suffers his influence. Goddamnit, I really want that movie. It would be Judge Dredd vs a more subtle John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness.
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keep punching joe posted:If Dredd was like a modern Assault on Precinct 13, or Escape from New York. Then the sequel can be a modern day Mad Max II. Yeah it's a similar point from the great Red Letter Media review on the film, Dredd had a pretty straight forward plot similar to the John Carpenter movies. Which sets it apart from the earlier film which had cloning, judge Dredd getting betrayed, a random block war, a vast secret conspiracy and even a short scene in the Cursed Earth.
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Wasn't the acknowledged problem that they filmed a bunch of cool scenes with little regard for how they fit together? I seem to remember reading an article to that effect, but it was a long time ago.
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Basically every single comic book movie suffers from this problem where they want to pack in every little thing that catches their eye from like 30+ years of comic book history plus then their own new stuff and end up with a jumbled mess with like 3-4 bad guys and a horribly convoluted plot. Usually the only thing that can save a movei is if it's the first one, because then they have the obligatory origin story to at least guide things. Dredd is impressive in that it's not an origin story, yet they exercised immense restraint in not bringing back every single memorable character from the comic and instead focusing on just a few and letting it me a movie first.
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Thank god. I dislike origin stories because they tend to take a long time to get going and then as soon as they do the screenwriters often seem to be at a loss about how to wrap things up and leave it open for a sequel. It's a lot to go through for a little bit of interesting stuff. I really enjoyed Iron Man and X-Men First Class but I can't think of too many other comic or fantasy/scifi movies that did origin stories very well. I loved Pacific Rim in part because it gets right to the action and fits in a brief backstory at the same time. No half hour spent getting to know our proh ta gonist and his troubles before we get to the good bit.
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moths posted:If you do a Cursed Earth movie, you can do the Judge Child quest. And then have his GRIM PROPHECY relate directly to the Dark Judge incursion (movie 3) instead of how it actually turned out. Although that's way too fan-servicing to actually work. And would get nitpicked to death, as well. The cinema in Peach Trees was showing a film about the Judge Child, so it was fictional or had already happened.
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moths posted:If you do a Cursed Earth movie, you can do the Judge Child quest. And then have his GRIM PROPHECY relate directly to the Dark Judge incursion (movie 3) instead of how it actually turned out. Although that's way too fan-servicing to actually work. The problem with a Judge Death storyline is that it does require a rather more Noirish, gothic MC-1 than what we see in the film. Death is going to look pretty silly stalking through bright sunshine. He could just operate at night I guess, but still.
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I'd like to see the Apocalypse War. Get Orlok involved and start the commotion.
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Kegluneq posted:
In case you hadn't noticed, 90% of the first movie was set in dark claustrophobic settings with no natural daylight.
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Kegluneq posted:Surely the mission to Megacity 2 to deliver that antidote would possibly make more sense? I think there's more to be had from a Cursed Earth adventure than an interstellar mission though. For one, you could use it to more thoroughly introduce the concept of mutants, which exist in the film version but aren't really seen. The Cursed Earth was a monster-of-the-week type storyline, I don't know how well that would translate to a movie. There's no central villain and it's more a loose set of encounters. quote:The problem with a Judge Death storyline is that it does require a rather more Noirish, gothic MC-1 than what we see in the film. Death is going to look pretty silly stalking through bright sunshine. He could just operate at night I guess, but still. In Necropolis the Sisters summon an eternal night, no reason they couldn't have something similar following Death around in a movie.
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Jedit posted:In case you hadn't noticed, 90% of the first movie was set in dark claustrophobic settings with no natural daylight. quote:The Cursed Earth was a monster-of-the-week type storyline, I don't know how well that would translate to a movie. There's no central villain and it's more a loose set of encounters.
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It might bring back memories of the Stallone Dredd but imagine a proper Angel family getting picked off over the course of the film.
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Neo Rasa posted:Even Stallone was aware of this, there's an interview somewhere where he's flabbergasted that they made all these super convincing cyberpunk dystopian sets that you only see in the movie for like ten seconds. I think the main problem of the first film is a tonal issue. It suffers from the 90's syndrome of sanitizing everything for "children", which usually involved adding a lot of slapstick humor to break any tension buildup that lasted more than 3 minutes. It's amusing to watch in retrospect but it's really what made the movie suck. No matter how ironically funny and awesome the sidekick was the movie would be much better tonally without him, for example. Compare it with the new movie where everything, the entire satire is played with a straight face. Even the comically absurd to the point of being awesome stuff like the dude with the wig are presented as just part of the background. The original movie had some really good visuals and ideas buried beneath an avalanche of mistakes. Elentor fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:It might bring back memories of the Stallone Dredd but imagine a proper Angel family getting picked off over the course of the film. 
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moths posted:
This is the kind of thing that you Dredd comic fans need to be saying if you want to convince people that a Dredd vs. Death movie could work. All the pictures of Death make him look like a dweebie zombie wearing bat wings that hisses like Cobra Commander and I mentally check out whenever I see them. But a psionic rot in the population and inexplicable death cults? That I'd watch.
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Anyone who thinks it's more palatable to replace an over-the-top evil monster of a villain with some kind of psychic ghost that corrupts people's souls should watch Smallville and learn just how wrong they are. Or better yet, just take my word for it and spare yourself the suffering.
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For a next sequel, an adaptation of the democracy storyline would be best I think. Not too much reliance on special effects, a clear narrative, etc.
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Cream_Filling posted:For a next sequel, an adaptation of the democracy storyline would be best I think. Not too much reliance on special effects, a clear narrative, etc.
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Devour posted:You would want the sequel to be about the citizens of Mega-City One overthrowing the Judges' system of government rather than having a story about the cursed earth or just simply having a clear cut villain really loving poo poo up? You mean the judges effectively suppressing a pro-democracy movement using real-life anti-demonstrator tactics and then brutally killing pro-democracy terrorists? Yes. Garland also wants to do it, he's said so in interviews. See: http://io9.com/5945062/why-the-second-dredd-movie-could-be-even-darker quote:Have you prepped anything for a Dredd sequel? Are you interested in telling the block wars or any of the political weirdness, like the Mayor being a serial killer? OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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DieLaughing posted:This is the kind of thing that you Dredd comic fans need to be saying if you want to convince people that a Dredd vs. Death movie could work. All the pictures of Death make him look like a dweebie zombie wearing bat wings that hisses like Cobra Commander and I mentally check out whenever I see them. But a psionic rot in the population and inexplicable death cults? That I'd watch. Basically End of Days, but not awful. Vincent Cassel as Judge Death.
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Cream_Filling posted:You mean the judges effectively suppressing a pro-democracy movement using real-life anti-demonstrator tactics and then brutally killing pro-democracy terrorists? Yes. That sounds much better than zombie judges, to be honest.
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Cream_Filling posted:You mean the judges effectively suppressing a pro-democracy movement using real-life anti-demonstrator tactics and then brutally killing pro-democracy terrorists? Yes. I don't know, I'd don't mind a story with political overtones so long as it doesn't dominate it. Maybe it's just me.
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There are so many different ways to go, so my rule is now "whatever feels good." Dredd 3D played the satire straight, which I think is why I like it so much.
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Cream_Filling posted:You mean the judges effectively suppressing a pro-democracy movement using real-life anti-demonstrator tactics and then brutally killing pro-democracy terrorists? Yes. So, the first America book, then? Only if they can get that last shot of the Dredd statue towering over the broken Statue of Liberty. 
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