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Nate RFB posted:I don't really remember this being the case (regarding preemptive strikes). Not starting a battle with the advantage was quite rare, even more so in P4G. I posted about this here a while back, enemies almost always got the advantage against me, even when I hit them. They also ran much faster than me so if I was in a corridor, it was impossible to dodge them. Someone mentioned the level difference being a thing, and that's the only conclusion I could think of, since I usually try to keep fighting at a bare minimum.
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Jul 23, 2013 17:35
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Momomo posted:Most untrue statement ever. When does the fox ever have the most adorable victory pose ever? When you give her money and then at the end of the S. Link she shows up with all of her kits to thank you for helping keep the shrine alive, THAT'S WHEN.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Were you playing on hard or something? Nope, normal mode. Also, I might be remembering that slightly wrong. They might not have gotten the jump on me when I actually hit them, but at the very least, getting the advantage on them when I hit them was a very rare occurrence.
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Momomo posted:Nope, normal mode. Also, I might be remembering that slightly wrong. They might not have gotten the jump on me when I actually hit them, but at the very least, getting the advantage on them when I hit them was a very rare occurrence. You had to hit the enemy from behind to get a preemptive attack, which basically meant you had to sneak up on them from a distance. In vanilla P4, I remember it being pretty easy to outrun them if they did spot you and they'd eventually come to an invisible boundary and will turn around once you slip out of view.
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Jul 23, 2013 17:54
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I'm one of these weirdos that absolutely loved the P3 cast and simply felt apathetic to the P4 one, for some reason I felt more invested on the former. Making the P4 S. Links since the beginning didn't help since their character development was ignored in favor the plot's favor.
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Aegis is kind of charming when she first appears. Her weird mannerisms and fish out of water plot are endearing, especially when combined with her murderbot side. poo poo only gets bad when they start trying to give her character and make the player take her seriously, which because P3 is anime as gently caress translates into making her needy and pathetic to an incredibly creepy level. P4 Arena tries really, really hard to address some of those issues and at partially succeeds in making her at least likable again. On the other hand Ken just always felt really out of place and boring and pretty much the entire reason he's included in the game is "Kids these days never wear shorts."
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Jul 23, 2013 21:20
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Speaking of P4, I kinda want a vita so I can get the vita version but vitas are so bloody expensive still. Makes me sad. I've been watching the Giant Bomb endurance run of the original (which is what made me want to give P3 another shot) and I am loving Persona 4 just from that but I can't bring myself to play the PS2 version knowing the vita version is better apparently.
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Jul 23, 2013 22:06
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Nuebot posted:Speaking of P4, I kinda want a vita so I can get the vita version but vitas are so bloody expensive still. Makes me sad. On the other hand, playing the PS2 version means you never ever have to see Marie,
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Jul 23, 2013 22:11
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Aerofallosov posted:I've noticed that a lot of very teenagery teenage type characters seem to attract hate. Yeah, she's catty and whiny. She's a teenage girl, and a teenager struggling with some serious issues. See also: Hope from FF13 The problem is that teenagers pretty much suck.
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Jul 23, 2013 22:15
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ImpAtom posted:On the other hand, playing the PS2 version means you never ever have to see Marie,
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Jul 23, 2013 22:20
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I'd say Golden definitely is the better version in terms of content but the only really worthwhile thing you miss by playing the ps2 version is the epilogue, and the Jester s link.
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ImpAtom posted:On the other hand, playing the PS2 version means you never ever have to see Marie, But it also means I can't get my social link on with everyone. Even that one guy, you know the one.
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Jul 23, 2013 22:21
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Nate RFB posted:That isn't even remotely close to a good tradeoff. I don't know. I would trade every single other upgrade to The Golden to never have to see Marie, her awful poems or her stupid-rear end plot ever again. The rest of the upgrades are great but she is like everything I disliked about Aigis x 1000.
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Nuebot posted:Speaking of P4, I kinda want a vita so I can get the vita version but vitas are so bloody expensive still. Makes me sad. I'm not really following on the hesitation? It's not like you're stuck playing the Wii port of a "multiplatform" game, Persona 4 was originally developed for the Playstation 2. You'll be getting 100% of the original game's content. Golden is just 110%. That being said, having Persona 4 on a handheld was the poo poo and I do recommend it for everyone.
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fount of knowledge posted:I'm not really following on the hesitation? It's not like you're stuck playing the Wii port of a "multiplatform" game, Persona 4 was originally developed for the Playstation 2. You'll be getting 100% of the original game's content. Golden is just 110%. I'm just the kind of sperglord who gets all bothered playing a version of the game knowing there's a better one. I was a bit disappointed when the japan only version of Nocturne came out with Radiou Kuzunoha in it because I think he's way cooler than Dante.
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ImpAtom posted:On the other hand, playing the PS2 version means you never ever have to see Marie, Man, she is not that bad. Hell, by the time you actually get to her plot, I dare say she's actually a good addition.
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Jul 23, 2013 22:33
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I dunno, I thought her plot felt extremely tacked on and for lack of a better term "fanfictiony" I thought Marie was "ok" so I don't even hate her as much as others but she definitely did not feel needed at all.
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Jul 23, 2013 22:35
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I dunno, I thought her plot felt extremely tacked on and for lack of a better term "fanfictiony" There are definitely some execution issues (they went too far in on the poetry thing and her S-Link is a little...iffy, I guess?) but it helps tie in the more supernatural elements and especially the true ending. I didn't really have issue with Izanami before, but people did originally feel it was tacked on. Marie at least attempts to address that. Plus, I thought the execution of her content post-December was handled pretty well.
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Jul 23, 2013 22:39
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I thought Marie was "ok" so I don't even hate her as much as others but she definitely did not feel needed at all.
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I didn't really see what she added to the game other than some pandering, but I assume that was the intent. I like P4G and all, but I still wonder why they don't give you the ending outfits as equippable clothes. Costumes were really my favorite addition though. Lots of people seem to like the extra dungeon they added but I was kind of bored with it myself. Dungeons like that always feel undertuned to me, just to make sure everyone can clear it, but then it just ends up taking longer cause of the gimmick.
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Anyway, to Nuebot: What I did was trade in the vast majority of my Wii games. I guess that's not particularly helpful advice but it was a good $100+ off as a result. Sony really needs to have a Vita price drop sooner rather than later. The thing is P4G is the only thing I've played on it (bought Muramasa though) and I still think it was a worthwile purchase. Then again I really, really like P4.
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Nate RFB posted:Right. I'm rather ambivalent on her myself. But that also means there's pretty much no way she is going to be a dealbraker in the face of all the other things Golden gets right. I don't want to go back to a P4 without night time exploration or the inability to to choose skills in fusions unless it's for a drat good reason. Yeah, Golden is the "Golden" version of P4. It's a better game on all fronts as compared to P3 FES vs P3P debates. Also, it's $20 on sony store right now. For buying a Vita: go to cowboom, you can get one for $130 or so. Get Plus, get 16gb card (you should be able to find it on sale for $30ish), and get P4G on sale right now. I also recommend a screen protector. Overall, this is not a lot of money for an excellent handheld system with actually a decent game library (P3P is also on sale for $10 btw, and FES for $5).
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Yeah I don't have much worth trading in anymore, if I traded in my entire library I'd probably get like 75 bucks at most. Hopefully there will be a price drop soon, what with the PS4 being released this year. I've heard a few "games news" sites talking about one so here's hoping it drops to a price I feel more comfortable paying!
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Nate RFB posted:Anyway, to Nuebot: What I did was trade in the vast majority of my Wii games. I guess that's not particularly helpful advice but it was a good $100+ off as a result. Sony really needs to have a Vita price drop sooner rather than later. Nate RFB posted:The thing is P4G is the only thing I've played on it (bought Muramasa though) and I still think it was a worthwile purchase. Then again I really, really like P4. It added more than just Marie and the Jester S-Link, and did more than just refine the gameplay, in any case. It's a vastly improved version of the game.
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I honestly don't feel the extra stuff added anything to P4, outside of that one guy's S.Link. Plus new Chie makes me want rest my head on a busy road.
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Meh, Marie really wasn't that bad, besides the hot springs scene.. Her S-link was actually pretty decent especially compared to Aigis. Also, the fact that you can basically wind up dating for all intents and purposes Izanami (or at least part of her) is pretty drat funny to me. Didn't someone make a crack in this thread was that the only thing left to do to god after killing him, siding with him etc. was to date him? Welp...
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King of Solomon posted:Man, she is not that bad. Hell, by the time you actually get to her plot, I dare say she's actually a good addition. She's completely garbage. Her poems are horrendous and her plot twist is the dumbest loving thing on top of throwing her into the group like she's always been connected to the audience like everyone else. It's astonishing how Jester was so good and the same dudes that wrote that wrote "THROW THE FSTEAK JOKE IN THERE AND HAVE HER NEVER SHUT UP ABOUT IT!"
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Man, if I was the kind of person who bought stuffed animals, I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
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polish sausage posted:Meh, Marie really wasn't that bad, besides the hot springs scene.. Her S-link was actually pretty decent especially compared to Aigis. Also, the fact that you can basically wind up dating for all intents and purposes Izanami (or at least part of her) is pretty drat funny to me. Didn't someone make a crack in this thread was that the only thing left to do to god after killing him, siding with him etc. was to date him? Welp... This absolutely wrong, Marie is complete fan fiction garbage, there is nothing good about her in neither execution nor theory. Your spoiler is especially terrible. She is so poorly shoe horned in I wouldn't blame you for thinking she is joke at a mary-sue characters expense, but shes not. Marie is a 100% straight faced fan fic character, with all the negative character traits that implies. Also new teddie is garbage, but new chie is good. The un-hosed fusing system and the costumes more than make up for Marie and new teddie though.
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Sex_Ferguson posted:She's completely garbage. Her poems are horrendous and her plot twist is the dumbest loving thing on top of throwing her into the group like she's always been connected to the audience like everyone else. It's astonishing how Jester was so good and the same dudes that wrote that wrote "THROW THE FSTEAK JOKE IN THERE AND HAVE HER NEVER SHUT UP ABOUT IT!" Okay, so, no? Her poems are intentionally terrible. That is incredibly obvious right from the get-go. The problem with them is that they leaned too hard into it. The plot twist was fine. She was always going to be something like that, what with her basically being introduced to you as this random loving ghost out in whatever universe the Velvet Room limo drives around in. Then they spend the entirety of her link foreshadowing that she's Izanami through poo poo that American audiences wouldn't understand because she's from Japanese mythology, and welp. Basically her entire role, through her S-Link and to the end of the game, is to help connect the Izanami plot twist at the end to the plot since, remember, prior to this her connection to the plot is a single interaction at the start of the game and a bit of exposition in the middle connecting your starting persona to this figure. While that was enough to get by, some people did complain that the true end felt tacked on. No, they didn't "throw her into the group like she's always been connected to the audience." They introduced her to you at the start of the game, again in the Velvet Room, then to the rest of the group over the course of her link. She's very much an outsider. As I understand it, the fsteak joke was not in the original Japanese. So blame Atlus USA for that one. EDIT: There are definitely some execution gently caress-ups in there, but come on dude. This probably comes off as being needlessly aggressive. Ah well. King of Solomon fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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ImpAtom posted:Man, if I was the kind of person who bought stuffed animals, I'd buy that in a heartbeat. I don't buy game merchandise either, but I would totally buy it if it were available for purchase and not some dumb lottery thing.
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King of Solomon posted:No, they didn't "throw her into the group like she's always been connected to the audience." They introduced her to you at the start of the game, again in the Velvet Room, then to the rest of the group over the course of her link. She's very much an outsider. Except she is, every single social link scene with her involves like 3 other IT members coming in from no where and fawning over her. She is completely shoe-horned in to the group in a desperate attempt to make people like her. She is a jerk to everyone and they all just laugh it off before being all "Gosh marie-chan, your're so cool. [protagonist] sure knows how to make cool friends!"  She even takes Nanako's spot in the prerequisite "all your social links cheer you on during the final boss moment of despair."
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Marie was terrible and unlikable and fanservicey. She's the penance you have to do to access the new content.
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I liked Persona 3 & 4 well enough, but I have a feeling that I would have absolutely loved the crap out of them had I discovered them as a 16 year old and thought they were the best games ever. They're very teen angsty and full of melodramatic dark stuff. Teenagers love that poo poo.
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:This absolutely wrong, Marie is complete fan fiction garbage, there is nothing good about her in neither execution nor theory. Your spoiler is especially terrible. She is so poorly shoe horned in I wouldn't blame you for thinking she is joke at a mary-sue characters expense, but shes not. Marie is a 100% straight faced fan fic character, with all the negative character traits that implies. Ok, I'm sorry Marie doesn't piss me off as much as she pissed you off. Honestly I'm just content the story and most of the other characters are as good as it is considering the persona series is now clearly geared toward an anime audience and has had dumb fan service like that since the 3rd game. I don't really see the big deal when everyone is fawing over the MC or her. Like i'm not in love with that character or anything but she doesn't illicit any more eye rolling from me than Aigis or Ken from persona 3. I don't disagree that marie is pure fan service bullshit, but I don't really care. Certainly not enough to recommend the ps2 version which is by all intents and purposes incomplete. Edit: The naoto hot springs scene was way more repulsive to me than anything marie has ever done.
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polish sausage posted:Edit: The naoto hot springs scene was way more repulsive to me than anything marie has ever done. That wasn't animated before. Not everything P4G adds is good. Just most of it. 
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King of Solomon posted:That wasn't animated before. Not everything P4G adds is good. Just most of it. I know. As far as new content goes, that's the one thing that actually annoys the hell out of me. It serves no purpose especially with the physical check up gag.
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Captain Mog posted:I liked Persona 3 & 4 well enough, but I have a feeling that I would have absolutely loved the crap out of them had I discovered them as a 16 year old and thought they were the best games ever. They're very teen angsty and full of melodramatic dark stuff. Teenagers love that poo poo.
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