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Legend of the Seeker is great fun as long as you realize it's Xena 2.0. Bruce Campbell was even involved.
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BananaNutkins posted:Legend of the Seeker is great fun as long as you realize it's Xena 2.0. Bruce Campbell was even involved. I actually enjoyed Legend of the Seeker for what it was. I took it as a campy fantasy show with decent enough special effects and passable acting. It barely followed the plot of the books, and that was a good thing. It didn't take itself very seriously. I feel Kingkiller has the potential for a decent show, but we will just have to see what happens. I have a feeling this will never see the light of day.
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BananaNutkins posted:Legend of the Seeker is great fun as long as you realize it's Xena 2.0. Bruce Campbell was even involved. I just watched it because of Kahlan's costume, and the gyrocopter captain. v  v
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Jul 19, 2013 19:07
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coyo7e posted:It really was just that, - except with a guy instead of a hot woman
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Jul 20, 2013 02:14
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The question is, will they land Felicia Day as Devi and Neil Patrick Harris as Bast?
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Above Our Own posted:The confessor was hot as heck though ??? 
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I don't remember Kingkiller's total plot very well, but if they made it a tv show they'd have to cut way way way down on the "I had to find a clever way to get a stable income, so I went into town and did so. But then that income wasn't enough, so I did another thing to make money"xinfinity as well as the "I saw my true love of loves, but she was with another man. Eventually, that guy realized he couldn't hang with her. Only I can do that." That's all I remember from the University portions of the plot off the top of my head. And then there was lots of fairy sex in the 2nd book.
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Jul 21, 2013 19:30
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I think they're going to have to make it an episodic show a la Merlin, with maybe a few episodes at the end of each season taken directly from the books. I like these books, but there really isn't enough plot to do a Game of Thrones style show.
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Seems to me that Wheel of Time would make a better TV show. There's a shitload of source material to draw from, and each book has a sort of 'mini-plot' within it that would lend itself very well to an episodic format. They'd have to get creative with the sparse plots of the later books, but it still seems very doable!
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I'd rather they took the WoT universe and did a show in the 4th age, so we can see how what Rand did turned out, rather than running through the original stories again.
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Can we still talk about the books here? I just bought the first one at the airport for reading this weekend and I'm having trouble staying interested because it starts off super slow. I'm also a little worried it's just going to keep on being "Kvothe: The Best, Better Than All The Rest: The Book: Day One" for seven hundred pages. Should I just stop?
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Jul 23, 2013 04:38
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Ogmius815 posted:Can we still talk about the books here? I just bought the first one at the airport for reading this weekend and I'm having trouble staying interested because it starts off super slow. I'm also a little worried it's just going to keep on being "Kvothe: The Best, Better Than All The Rest: The Book: Day One" for seven hundred pages. Should I just stop? It doesn't get much different or better after the first 200 pages. It's a pretty good book, though.
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Jul 23, 2013 05:15
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BananaNutkins posted:It doesn't get much different or better after the first 200 pages. It's a pretty good book, though. I guess that's fine. The execution is really fun and entertaining. I just wish the author was smarter and had better ideas. I guess I just want everyone to be more Frank Herbert and less Brian Sanderson.
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Ogmius815 posted:I guess that's fine. The execution is really fun and entertaining. I just wish the author was smarter and had better ideas. I guess I just want everyone to be more Frank Herbert and less Brian Sanderson. Have you gotten to the magic system yet? It's probably my favorite ever.
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Ogmius815 posted:I guess that's fine. The execution is really fun and entertaining. I just wish the author was smarter and had better ideas. I guess I just want everyone to be more Frank Herbert and less Brian Sanderson. Sanderson books are fun to read but the magic system thing... ughhhh its like im reading a tabletop game instruction manual. Theres no mystery to it.
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Jul 23, 2013 05:57
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spootime posted:Sanderson books are fun to read but the magic system thing... ughhhh its like im reading a tabletop game instruction manual. Theres no mystery to it. Which some people actually really enjoy. Different strokes and all that.
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Jul 23, 2013 07:27
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Be honest, there wouldn't be any "clever phrasing", it would be Buffy the Vampire Slayer / Undergrads set in Hogwarts. Name of the Wind is fun as a book , it would be awkward in a visual medium. The main character is 10-15 for half the book, and there's no way Fox gives this the budget or the time it would need. They just want a cheap knock off of Game of Thrones; It's like when ABC threw Empire together to try to get Rome's audience.
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Ghetto Prince posted:Be honest, there wouldn't be any "clever phrasing", it would be Buffy the Vampire Slayer / Undergrads set in Hogwarts. Yeah I don't think it'll work out at all. But hey, it'll get Rothfuss a bunch of money and exposure, and I am 100% okay with that.
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spootime posted:Sanderson books are fun to read but the magic system thing... ughhhh its like im reading a tabletop game instruction manual. Theres no mystery to it. I'm fine with there being no mystery in his systems. His books are good about laying out the rules for the system and then playing around with them to make cool stuff happen.
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Ogmius815 posted:Can we still talk about the books here? I just bought the first one at the airport for reading this weekend and I'm having trouble staying interested because it starts off super slow. I'm also a little worried it's just going to keep on being "Kvothe: The Best, Better Than All The Rest: The Book: Day One" for seven hundred pages. Should I just stop? Democratic Pirate posted:I'm fine with there being no mystery in his systems. His books are good about laying out the rules for the system and then playing around with them to make cool stuff happen. Ogmius815 posted:I guess that's fine. The execution is really fun and entertaining. I just wish the author was smarter and had better ideas. I guess I just want everyone to be more Frank Herbert and less Brian Sanderson. Above Our Own fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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If this fucker ruins Torment I will make him choke on that disgusting neckbeard.
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Mr. Unlucky posted:If this fucker ruins Torment I will make him choke on that disgusting neckbeard. How in the world would he ruin the new Torment game? He's one writer among many, and presumably not in charge of the "main" thrust of the content of the game.
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jivjov posted:How in the world would he ruin the new Torment game? He's one writer among many, and presumably not in charge of the "main" thrust of the content of the game.
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Above Our Own posted:But he doesn't, though. He just repeatedly does the "unexpected magic powers to save the day!" Reading Sanderson is like watching superhero origin movie stories over and over. Credits for his Vancian style worldbuilding though. Different strokes for different folks. I like how the unexpected magic powers all fit into the rules of the system Sanderson sets up in his books and origin stories are fine with me. I'm planning on getting the third kingkiller book, but I'll have to do a reread to remember what the plot is besides "What's in the box" and "wow Kvothe is good at everything, except getting that girl."
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Democratic Pirate posted:"wow Kvothe is good at everything, except getting that girl." This criticism of the Rothfuss books has always perplexed me, mostly because we know that at some point in the future Kvothe really Gets hosed Up. He might be smug and good at everything right now, but it's pretty clear that it won't last.
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I know it's almost treason for me to say it these days... but I hope he expands the series past a trilogy. The pacing he's got so far is pretty messed up and there's just too much stuff that needs to happen in book 3. That is, unless he's truly going to end the series with Kote being a sad broken old innkeeper and not getting his groove back. I guess I always assumed the series would end with Kvothe returning to at least some semblance of happiness. Now that I think about it more, it's possible he will end the first trilogy with Kote describing his past, and then start up a second trilogy describing Kvothe's return to power. Maybe I should bite my tongue!
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He's always been very evasive on the subject about how the story will end or if it'll end at all with just three books.
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uber posted:This criticism of the Rothfuss books has always perplexed me, mostly because we know that at some point in the future Kvothe really Gets hosed Up. He might be smug and good at everything right now, but it's pretty clear that it won't last. It's all I remember of the plothooks right now. It's not too bad to read, but the "Kvothe needs money" subplot was repeated a few too many times and then the fairy/ninja sex was a little over the top.
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uber posted:This criticism of the Rothfuss books has always perplexed me, mostly because we know that at some point in the future Kvothe really Gets hosed Up. He might be smug and good at everything right now, but it's pretty clear that it won't last.
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Above Our Own posted:I'm totally OK with hearing a badass legendary wizard tell his own story. I think a lot of the criticism comes from the poor characterization. It's just not what Rothfuss is good at. People have a natural self inversion toward self insert characters which is what Kvothe reads like. I'm not sure what "natural self inversion" means, are you saying that people dislike Kvothe because he appears to be Rothfuss inserting himself into the novel as a character? I've never gotten that impression from the novels at all. I think Rothfuss has even spoken on the matter, saying that they're quite different (he's the opposite of musical, for one). Where I do see Rothfuss putting himself into the novels is in Manet. That guy is an exact copy of the author.
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What the gently caress I had a stroke mid sentence. I meant to say natural aversion. Also imo Kvothe is definitely a self insert even to the point where Rothfuss has publically compared himself to the character on his blog. I don't want to rehash it all because I've beaten that drum a lot in this thread. The term does not always mean "someone who is like you." It means all your collected ideas about what's good and awesome are piled into the character in lieu of actual characterization. For some extreme examples, just imagine the protagonists in most fanfictions.
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If "Kote" isn't dead by the end of book 3 the series will be a failure.
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Ogmius815 posted:If "Kote" isn't dead by the end of book 3 the series will be a failure.
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Kote will either be dead because he'll turn into the cool wizard-bard-ninja Kvothe again or he'll be literally dead because his heart explodes when he tries to do something cool or something. If nothing happens with the framing element, then what's the point?
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I'm still holding out for the unreliable narrator twist. Otherwise the books are just non-stop wankery about how awesome Kovothe is...and that's just awful.
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Considering we haven't heard of any king, so far in this in Kingkiller chronicle, I think it's safe to say that book three is either going to have to include an absolute fuckton or it can't possibly be just a trilogy. Or maybe Cinder/Mr Ash is the king of immortal killer ghost things and then you'd be all set.
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Multiplesarcasm posted:Considering we haven't heard of any king, so far in this in Kingkiller chronicle, I think it's safe to say that book three is either going to have to include an absolute fuckton or it can't possibly be just a trilogy. The king is going to be Ambrose. If you've been watching, Ambrose has been moving up the line of succession pretty rapidly.
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Off the top of my head, here's what's been foreshadowed: King Killed 4 Paneled Door Yiddish Knot Secret Mother's Identity Reveal Fey World Invasion Kvothe's Super Secret Box That Other Lady's Secret Box Bast's History Kvothe's Alar Breaking: Kvothe -> Kote Kvothe Kills An Angel (Maybe Tehlu??) Chandrian/Lanre Denna's Patron Denna's Probable Death The Weystones Finding the Amyr Yeah holy poo poo that's a lot to do in one book. Any two or three of those could structure a narrative.
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Snuffman posted:I'm still holding out for the unreliable narrator twist. I dunno. Othello was a pretty all around badass dude with the perfect girl and the perfect life. Achilles was an unstoppable warrior. Hell, Ned Stark was a pretty perfect paragon in a lot of ways. The whole 'look he's so good at everything, mhahaha' story isn't compelling but that isn't the story we're being presented with. We are holding out not for an unreliable narrator, but for a logical and foreseeable destruction of the once mighty by their own flaws. At least, that's the promise I've been sold on. I mean, as good as Kvothe is we've seen his flaws, for the most part. Arrogance and a false feeling of invincibility, a near complete inability to really read people, a slavish and silly devotion to a woman that he doesn't really understand nearly so well as he thinks he does, it's all there. I mean, the whole sex plot was way too long but it paid off with a. awesomely evil tree of dhoom, and b. the one woman Kvothe actually cares about getting pissed at him when he tries to go all PUA on her because, while she flirts around to keep herself alive, she doesn't go off sleeping with just anyone. Like, yeah, Kvothe got to be super sexy, cool. But he didn't know what to do with that and it ended up driving him further away from where he thought it'd take him. So much as we all groan 'oh god with the wish fulfillment,' the whole point is that Kvothe's pursuing, with great skill and flair, precisely the wrong sort of fulfillment. I have no real explanation for the swordy stuff. I mean, that could've been done very differently, though I guess getting him to name the wind again was sorta key. Anyway, if the next book doesn't sufficiently ravage Kvothe not with a cruel and unjust world but with his own mistakes I will be sorely peeves. e: Sanderson is like 100% pure empty calories and sorta bleh all around. Like, I don't hate it, but I do feel like I've wasted the time I spent reading those books. Double e: Everyone go read Glen Cook and Ian Banks.
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