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FLOKI!   IF ROLLO DOES WHAT THE TRAILER IMPLIES!!  
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Jul 21, 2013 03:49
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lt_kennedy posted:FLOKI! I hope not, Floki was such a amazing season 1 supporting character
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Jul 21, 2013 04:42
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I think the trailer is "spoiling" something that doesn't actually happen. It's edited in such a way to imply something false. On the other hand I could be wrong and History is dumb enough to spoil the death of a character.
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Jul 21, 2013 04:43
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etalian posted:I hope not, Floki was such a amazing season 1 supporting character I almost had a heart attack when he was ready to step up as the sacrifice - Seriously, he's a fantastic, fun character and it would be a huge blow to the show.
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Jul 21, 2013 05:13
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lt_kennedy posted:I almost had a heart attack when he was ready to step up as the sacrifice - Seriously, he's a fantastic, fun character and it would be a huge blow to the show. My favorite Floki episode had to be one with the Saxon feast with all his craziness such as trying to eat a plate, the tent trap or glaring at Rollo after the baptism scene.
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Jul 21, 2013 05:23
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Started watching the video and at first I thought y'all were talking about spoilers of Rollo fighting against Ragnar and I was like, eh, you can't really spoil something like that which is a part of history and legend... And then I kept watching. And watched some more. And then. 
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Jul 21, 2013 06:12
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The real reason Rollo betrayed Ragnar is because anyone in Ragnar's crew with even half a developed personality ends up dying.
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Jul 21, 2013 06:22
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One thing I really like about this series that the season 2 trailer reminded me of, is how well it portrays large melee battles. Too many historical and fantasy films have awful super obviously choreographed and "clean" battles, while Vikings has battles that are totally chaotic, with people covered in blood and mud and everyone going (and looking) crazy.
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Jul 21, 2013 18:39
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savinhill posted:The real reason Rollo betrayed Ragnar is because anyone in Ragnar's crew with even half a developed personality ends up dying. RIP vladimir kulich's character  hypersleep posted:One thing I really like about this series that the season 2 trailer reminded me of, is how well it portrays large melee battles. Too many historical and fantasy films have awful super obviously choreographed and "clean" battles, while Vikings has battles that are totally chaotic, with people covered in blood and mud and everyone going (and looking) crazy. It's all about taking a more realistic approach for the style, the few fights scene such as the Beach fight were really awesome since they captured the football shoving nature of the tactics.
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Jul 21, 2013 20:23
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So in that awesome beach battle wherein Rollo (I think it was Rollo) was reciting a poem of some manner, while Floki was hatcheting people to death, is that poem, like, a real poem? Because it sounded awesome.
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Jul 21, 2013 21:24
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Sash! posted:So in that awesome beach battle wherein Rollo (I think it was Rollo) was reciting a poem of some manner, while Floki was hatcheting people to death, is that poem, like, a real poem? Because it sounded awesome. It was a really great fight scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qDtI5JDqo
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Jul 21, 2013 22:35
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etalian posted:It was a really great fight scene:
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Jul 21, 2013 22:58
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Sash! posted:So in that awesome beach battle wherein Rollo (I think it was Rollo) was reciting a poem of some manner, while Floki was hatcheting people to death, is that poem, like, a real poem? Because it sounded awesome. "Up onto the overturned keel Clamber, with a heart of steel Cold is the ocean's spray And your death is on its way With maidens you have had your way Each must die some day!" Haven't found any indication that it's an actual historical thing. I've only looked in English though. Related: the worst part about searching for Viking/Norse stuff is the amount of white supremacist bullshit that comes up.
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Jul 22, 2013 01:32
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The fight scenes are pretty good except for the fact that the vikings win every time, and apparently armor doesn't matter. That said, it would be cool if they had more stuff like those historical martial arts videos posted in either this thread or the medieval history thread where they showed some pretty cool reconstructed sword and shield fighting. Or anything more on the viking legal and political system, which obviously isn't as developed as in later years, but was still richer than the version seen in the show. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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Jul 22, 2013 01:49
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After yelling me to stay away from the trailer.. Yall post spoilers! Now me must watch or is their mor3?
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Jul 22, 2013 14:39
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I'm gonna say that season 2 trailer is just a dream or a vision sequence or some such. Y'all suckers.
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Jul 23, 2013 19:43
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Cream_Filling posted:The fight scenes are pretty good except for the fact that the vikings win every time, and apparently armor doesn't matter. Well the monks did put up a poor fight.
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Jul 23, 2013 20:12
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Cream_Filling posted:The fight scenes are pretty good except for the fact that the vikings win every time, and apparently armor doesn't matter. Wasn't that, you know, historical for this period? They were hardcore warriors fighting monks and peasant levies.
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Jul 23, 2013 20:15
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Luigi Thirty posted:Wasn't that, you know, historical for this period? They were hardcore warriors fighting monks and peasant levies. Except the guys they're fighting later on are pretty well armed and armored, wearing mail and even carrying swords. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Jul 23, 2013 21:16
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Even then weren't they raw recruits?
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Jul 23, 2013 21:20
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The beach fight scene was awesome watching the saxon commanders go from  to 
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Jul 23, 2013 21:25
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Luigi Thirty posted:Even then weren't they raw recruits? It's not mentioned in the episode. And obviously this isn't that realistic, but historically a sword was pretty valuable and wouldn't be something you see in the hands of an ordinary person. Also from a storytelling perspective, when there's no real sense of threat it's hard to take the fights as seriously.
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Jul 23, 2013 21:31
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Media stuff: Katheryn Winnick & Jessalyn Gilsig @ Comic Con Travis Fimmel & Clive Standen George Blagden & Gustaf Skarsgard At least there's no "I don't even watch this show El-o-El LET'S GO TO TWITTER" interviewers.
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Jul 23, 2013 21:40
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Cream_Filling posted:It's not mentioned in the episode. And obviously this isn't that realistic, but historically a sword was pretty valuable and wouldn't be something you see in the hands of an ordinary person. Yep and for a Viking to have a sword wasn't that common. They used the common axe cause it was a everyday tool to use and when the raid time came they had that trusty ole axe with them.
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Jul 24, 2013 05:09
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darthzeta88 posted:Yep and for a Viking to have a sword wasn't that common. They used the common axe cause it was a everyday tool to use and when the raid time came they had that trusty ole axe with them. The show has neat details such as how the Vikings haul off all the swords from the successful village raid and also how the Vikings wear minimal body armor for the raid. Things like Axes or spears were much more common in the Dark Age arsenal since they were much cheaper due to lower skilled labor investment.
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Jul 24, 2013 16:16
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The Norse generally only had access to low-quality bog iron right? Sweden has iron ore deposits but I don't know if they were mined back then.
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Jul 24, 2013 17:39
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That does remind me, I hope they do stuff like travel around the Black Sea/Persia even though I don't believe Ragnar did that. I've seen and read enough of Viking exploits in Europe that I'd like to get a little more perspective on their travels elsewhere.
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Jul 24, 2013 17:45
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darthzeta88 posted:Yep and for a Viking to have a sword wasn't that common. They used the common axe cause it was a everyday tool to use and when the raid time came they had that trusty ole axe with them. Also an axe took way less iron to make, considering how valuable that stuff was and the time, skill, and fuel necessary to work it. Same with the Anglo-Saxons, who were most commonly armed with spears. A viking raid would be happy to grab gold and silver if they could find it, but more everyday stuff like iron tools and cloth or food were also very valuable. I mean eventually the vikings invaded England and beat a lot of proper armies, but arguably a viking raid was much more of a smash and grab than a stand-up fight. Though actually fighting and winning was definitely an important aspect, since wealth earned from raiding seems to have been considered the spoils of an honorable challenge and not a dishonorable theft, and half the point of going on a raid for a young man was to win fame and look like a badass. I've been looking at some of those old sagas every so often. Lots of pretty entertaining mythic stuff. See: http://sagadb.org/ For instance in one, chapter 46 of Egil's Saga, the hero Egil and his men are captured by a wealthy farmer while raiding in Courland (a Baltic area near modern Latvia), and are to be tortured and executed the next day. But in the night, they escape their bonds and sneak off with a bunch of loot. On the way back, Egil declares that this is shameful because they stole this stuff without the owner's knowledge. So they go back and set the farmer's house on fire, then kill everyone who runs out, thus making it fair and proper.
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Jul 24, 2013 18:11
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The saxons had access to more workable mines and had a higher more organised output of metallurgy in general throughout Christian Europe probably more access to higher quality iron/steel ingots from all over the place. but the Norse had a very capable handle on pattern welding for swords and tools. Their smiths were exceptional, just lacked the infrastructure. So they made do with easy the easy and cheap to produce. But the swords they did make was the same style of being used all through europe. Because they tended to be at sea a fair bit the early carbon steel weapons wouldn't have lasted too long around salt water. What they did to make swords was very complex and time consuming. There wasn't much the Vikings didn't do well. But being clannish and more often than not, spread out doing their own thing. Having access to good steel and good smiths on hand would have been an issue at the very least.
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Jul 24, 2013 19:03
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Everyone's favorite Viking's support character made in on The Onion AV's TV highlights list:
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Jul 25, 2013 01:29
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Rocksicles posted:The saxons had access to more workable mines and had a higher more organised output of metallurgy in general throughout Christian Europe probably more access to higher quality iron/steel ingots from all over the place. but the Norse had a very capable handle on pattern welding for swords and tools. Their smiths were exceptional, just lacked the infrastructure. So they made do with easy the easy and cheap to produce. I saw a Nova documentary called Secrets of the Viking Sword pop up on Netflix and checked it out. It was really interesting and (most) of their conclusions made a lot of sense. Would any of you with a good education on northern European history be able to comment on how factual and accurate it was?
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Jul 26, 2013 16:01
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watching it now, it's on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXbLyVpWsVM It's esentially the same process as what they called Crucible Steel, attributed to the indian sub continent where the technique used in Damascus steel came from. It's basically a method of turning iron ore into high carbon steel suing insanely hot furnaces with dry wood. They call it Wootz Steel I've read in a few places that the Wootz steel production goes back into almost pre roman times, the iron ore in India was freakishly good due to other compounds found there like vanadium and chromium, the techniques made there way from india, through eastern Europe, up into Russia as thing like that are like to do with Nomadic cultures. But to think they did this poo poo Pre-jeebus, is insane. like i said techniques travel, iron ore unless mined and transported, doesn't. Many of the Viking swords were pattern welded by mixing iron rods and carbon steel rods heating and twisting them, forging, eventually they end up so mixed and fused on a microscopic level is creates the weird patterns you often see on the Japanese blades. that being the middle of the blade, to gave it a springyness to prevent breakage, then they welded on high carbon steel for the cutting edges because it was harder wearing and didnt blunt as easy. I'm not a weapon nut, i just love history. edit: i'm 20 mins in and they are covering all this anyway, so disregard my ramblings. Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jul 26, 2013 |
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Jul 26, 2013 17:27
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Thanks. As a mech engineer, most of the material science was close enough, but I had no idea how much of the historical narrative was well-documented and how much was just speculation. It also reminded me of how painstakingly laborious the process of making a quality weapon was back then. Even though I knew it intellectually, actually watching someone bang on that steel just wears me out. (Makes Haraldson's murder of the blacksmith that much more pants-on-head.)
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Jul 30, 2013 17:57
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Erghh posted:"Up onto the overturned keel The worst thing about fake Viking verse by people who haven't done any homework is the babyish rhyme scheme. Norse verse doesn't even rhyme, it uses alliteration and consonance to keep the rhythm. It takes two seconds to find this out on wikipedia and yet we get ridiculous doggerel like the garbage verse in Skyrim. This is only slightly better. Some writers just see "verse" and their brains dribble out their ears I guess. I don't think it's even possible to sound serious in AABB rhyme.
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Sep 9, 2013 15:10
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Arglebargle III posted:The worst thing about fake Viking verse by people who haven't done any homework is the babyish rhyme scheme. Norse verse doesn't even rhyme, it uses alliteration and consonance to keep the rhythm. It takes two seconds to find this out on wikipedia and yet we get ridiculous doggerel like the garbage verse in Skyrim. This is only slightly better. Some writers just see "verse" and their brains dribble out their ears I guess. I don't think it's even possible to sound serious in AABB rhyme. Pretty sure they probably knew this, and I hope we get some real or fitting original verse in the show, but they only did it for one reason: it sounded cool on TV.
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Nov 9, 2013 12:59
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Oh sweet. A vikings thread. Here is a drawing I did while watching season 1.
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Nov 9, 2013 13:16
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I've been watching this series and it does seem to have a fundamental problem, in that you don't really care for any of the characters. Their entire culture is based on rape and murder for fun and profit, and it's hard to empathise with that. You cared when Michael Corleone's daughter took a bullet through the chest because here was a decent man caught in bad circumstances that he was desperately trying to escape all his life. But you can't say the same about any of the Vikings. In order to try and force the audience to have some empathy with the Vikings they come up with bullshit scenarios such as the wife of Ragnar having a deep distaste for the rape of a Saxon woman, and it comes off as cheap.
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Nov 10, 2013 14:43
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It's a fair point that I don't necessarily agree with - I care for plenty of the characters (and I personally thought Michael Corleone was an irredeemable scumbag. One of the main reasons I don't care for Godfather 2 all that much, in fact!), and I think they handle it with as much grace as they possibly could. They're still brutal killers, but adding in something like rape would drastically alter the tone of the entire show. I mean, ultimately it's an action/fantasy series in a historical setting. I feel like there's only so much you can do in that framework - go all loving out with decadence and sex like Spartacus, make it a badass fantasy adventure like Vikings or go full slapstick like Hercules. I guess something like Rome toes the line, but that's also HBO and not every network is able to accomplish that.
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Nov 10, 2013 14:59
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Hakkesshu posted:It's a fair point that I don't necessarily agree with - I care for plenty of the characters (and I personally thought Michael Corleone was an irredeemable scumbag. One of the main reasons I don't care for Godfather 2 all that much, in fact!), and I think they handle it with as much grace as they possibly could. They're still brutal killers, but adding in something like rape would drastically alter the tone of the entire show. Plus there are tons of solid shows in which the strongest twist is how all the main protagonists aren't the "good" guys like The Shield.
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Why did the king of Northumberland have a pit full of exotic snakes and why did the nobleman die when a small non venomous snake squeezed his leg for a few seconds?
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Nov 14, 2013 18:47
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