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Against very aggressive batsmen that try and 'get on top of the bowling' starving them of runs often makes them do spazzy shots and get out too.
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The implication is that the only indicator of a good captain is wins though. Don't agree.
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-Spiffy- posted:The implication is that the only indicator of a good captain is wins though. I don't think that's the implication. And using wins as an indicator is stupid. A good captain is one who gets the most wins out of his team. I agree with the above posters in regards to Cook. In a team setup like England's Cook's captaincy may very well be the most effective captaincy for the team at his disposal and for the opponents he's facing. Just because it is defensive, reactive, etc. doesn't mean it's not effective. And if it's the most effective way for England, why then Cook is an excellent captain, as disgusted as his decisions sometimes make me feel.
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Jul 25, 2013 22:36
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What's the stat about Clarke, 20% of the sides runs since he became captain? He can't actually carry the side, he's not Dan Vettori.
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Jul 25, 2013 22:46
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It is not determinative but it plainly is a factor. Ponting won a huge number of games but is not necessarily thought of as a great captain. I have to agree with those questioning the increasingly conventional wisdom that Clarke is a very good captain. I think he is inventive and enthusiastic but you have to weigh that against his win record (taking into account the resources at his disposal) along with other factors such as his ability to maintain discipline and get the most out of his players.
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Jul 25, 2013 23:36
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Warner's clearly going to be returning for the Old Trafford Test, the question is who gets dropped for him? Smith has been useful and will probably be looked on favourably for his bowling. Hughes would be in the gun but it seems harsh given his first innings at Trent Bridge. Perhaps Rogers?
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Jul 26, 2013 00:15
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Probably Watson if Clarke gets his way 
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Jul 26, 2013 00:30
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Please, let it be Watson and let him never loving return Shut up, I can dream 
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Jul 26, 2013 00:33
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haha found this gem (yes I know I'm slow  )http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/i-cuffed-michael-clarke-in-adelaide-dressing-room-says-james-anderson-20121012-27hdz.html
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Jul 26, 2013 01:08
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nzspambot posted:haha found this gem (yes I know I'm slow Jimmy Anderson posted:"'Do it,' Martyn replied, completely straight-faced.
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Jul 26, 2013 01:24
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nzspambot posted:haha found this gem (yes I know I'm slow It'd be funny if that's what triggered Clarke's chronic back problems.
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Jul 26, 2013 02:12
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That gives some explanation to why Martyn retired suddenly.
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Jul 26, 2013 02:44
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fuckpot posted:Did he have a few beers before writing this? That says Martyn wasn't close to anybody but I thought he was pretty close to Ponting?
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Scylo posted:That says Martyn wasn't close to anybody but I thought he was pretty close to Ponting?
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Jul 26, 2013 03:29
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Anyone know what happened to the Grauniad's World Cricket Forum?
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Jul 26, 2013 04:16
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fuckpot posted:I was more pointing out the not needing to ask for a second invitation bit despite the fact that he specifically asked for a second invitation. Maybe he meant a second person 
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Jul 26, 2013 04:19
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Chemi posted:It is not determinative but it plainly is a factor. Ponting won a huge number of games but is not necessarily thought of as a great captain. I have to agree with those questioning the increasingly conventional wisdom that Clarke is a very good captain. I think he is inventive and enthusiastic but you have to weigh that against his win record (taking into account the resources at his disposal) along with other factors such as his ability to maintain discipline and get the most out of his players. Clarke isn't perfect but he's better than Cook. Ponting was mocked by the English posters for his defensive nature. The facts are test cricket is an aggressive game where the fielding side needs to take twenty wickets. A scarecrow could take wickets against the current Australian side. They are poorly disciplined and mentally weak so his captaincy becomes effective against a team like that but he captains the same regardless of the side and a nation like the rsa will happily bat to defensive fields for days. Can anyone remember that Adelaide test where kp and Collingwood batted for days. Ponting instructed the bowlers to bowl negatively. Warne was bowling almost entirely leg side. Now Australia won that test...was it due to Pontings captaincy or England collapsing in a heap when the pitch started to spin as the Adelaide oval does. Edit I mean on the field. Clarke's issues off the field are well known.
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Clarke surely has to take responsibility for his side being poorly disciplined and mentally weak. That's part of my point.
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Can we all at least agree that M.S Dhoni is the best captain of all time?
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Chemi posted:Clarke surely has to take responsibility for his side being poorly disciplined and mentally weak. That's part of my point. Its not just at international level though. I was reading an article where CA is criticising Australian wickets for being too fast bowler friendly and will take action against state sides who produce wickets that allow 14 wickets to fall in a day. Australian wickets are supposed to be fast bowler friendly but I do not believe that making flatter wickets will produce better batsmen. The wickets can't be too tricky a nearly 40 year old Ricky Ponting still managed to score heaps of runs of them. Cricket Australia is run by absolute clowns. We want Australian wickets playing to fast bowlers for the ashes. Lets see Joe Root bat behind his crease on an Australian wicket
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Jul 26, 2013 07:48
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Every time I read an article about CA or hear about what they're doing lately I want to die
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Burn Down Canberra posted:Cricket Australia is run by absolute clowns. We want Australian wickets playing to fast bowlers for the ashes. Lets see Joe Root bat behind his crease on an Australian wicket
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Jul 26, 2013 10:36
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CA remind me a bit of how England's army of support staff were a few years ago, in that it seems to be full of people who want to get involved and make changes in everything so that no one figures out that their job isn't actually needed.
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Jul 26, 2013 10:38
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biglads posted:I wonder what Peder Brofuck would be writing about this series if he was still with us? Simon Katich fanfic.
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Jul 26, 2013 10:44
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Sussex have actually named a pretty strong playing XI for the match against Australia, rather than doing what counties tend to and fielding the second XI. It's not quite their first team, though the batting order pretty much is (except James Taylor for Ed Joyce), but the second and third seamers are young second XI players rather than the ones they normally field in county matches. Chris Jordan and Monty Panesar are playing, though. Given the rather odd Australian line-up, I wouldn't be that surprised if Sussex (second in the County Championship) have the better of this match.
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Jul 26, 2013 10:55
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I wish I hadn't left Brighton now, I could have gone to see this. That and Brighton is the best city.
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Jul 26, 2013 11:02
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The England team have drawn portraits of each other for a charity auction. My favourites:  Johnny Bairstow by Tim Bresnan  Steven Finn by Ian Bell  Stuart Broad by Steven Finn
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Jul 26, 2013 12:14
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Sussex here, letting the Australians bat themselves into some form to keep the Ashes interesting.
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Jul 26, 2013 12:32
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Looks like the Aussie A team are trying to get their batting confidence up - that SA pitch seems an absolute road. Just like English conditions I don't think. Warner will swagger back into the Aussie team and get royally undone again. Not much fun for the prospective bowlers though.
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Jul 26, 2013 12:38
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Good to see the Aussies taking this opportunity to learn a bit of patience against a bowling side that shouldn't bother them too much and not going balls to the wall, playing their natural game which could lull them into a false sense of security.
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chyaroh posted:Looks like the Aussie A team are trying to get their batting confidence up - that SA pitch seems an absolute road. Just like English conditions I don't think. Warner will swagger back into the Aussie team and get royally undone again. Dean loving Elgar is currently 258* against Aus A. Road or not, holy lol.
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tanglewood1420 posted:The England team have drawn portraits of each other for a charity auction. I think Monty nailed Compton  Root might have a second career lined up, though.
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It's hard to imagine the Australian side doing similar drawings of each other since humour and self deprecation do not exist in the psyche of the Australian Cricket Team
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Tony A. Butt posted:It's hard to imagine the Australian side doing similar drawings of each other since humour and self deprecation do not exist in the psyche of the Australian Cricket Team Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jul 26, 2013 |
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Jul 26, 2013 14:27
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Wade got an 8 ball duck against Sussex. Put him in the team.
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Ok, the Saffer As are now 614/7. Does it count as a first class game? Are they just trying to ruin some Australian bowling averages?
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Tony A. Butt posted:It's hard to imagine the Australian side doing similar drawings of each other since humour and self deprecation do not exist in the psyche of the Australian Cricket Team I'm now imagining the homework saga from earlier this year involved drawing pictures of your teammates, and the whole thing is now infinitely funnier which I didn't think was possible. So thanks!
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goatface posted:Ok, the Saffer As are now 614/7. Does it count as a first class game? Are they just trying to ruin some Australian bowling averages? If games on those kinds of pitches didn't count as first class, some of the Indian Test players would still be waiting for their first class debut.
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dupersaurus posted:I think Monty nailed Compton I like how everyone who draws Anderson emphasises the monobrow. Paul.Power posted:Although Clarke and Watson drawing each other would be a fascinating psychological exercise.
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