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Good Will Hrunting posted:In mine, the guy tried to ask a common Google brainteaser question but hosed it up. This was worth a good laugh with some of my colleagues when I got back to our base office, but was less than fun as I struggled to determine what he was asking for. I kept asking questions and his reply was "I don't think you're getting it" when he couldn't give an answer to what I was asking. He was kind of a dick, but then again, a lot of people at large banks are. I had the Brown Eyes/Blue Eyes logic puzzle incorrectly posed to me by a woman whose native language was not English. She made it sound like the goal of the puzzle was for everyone to figure out what color eyes they had. I'd never heard the problem before, so my answer (and I was really proud of myself for coming up with it!) was to suggest that everyone on the island pull out one of their eyes and look at it with their remaining eye. She looked horrified. I didn't get an offer that time.
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Would this work? Since she announced seeing someone with blue eyes, then that night everyone goes to the ferry and simply states that they have blue eyes. That night all 100 people with blue eyes leave. The next day she will declare she sees someone with brown eyes, and repeat so the other 100 leave. At the end the guru dies of hunger since she doesn't know her own eye color and no on can tell her what it is.
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Hard NOP Life posted:Would this work? I think this is an induction problem and her statement is necessary to start the problem. If there's only one person with blue eyes on the island, then that person will see nobody with blue eyes. Because of the Guru's statement, the person who sees no other blue eyed people is the one with blue eyes. If there are two people (n+1) on the island with blue eyes, then each blue eyed person will only see one other person with blue eyes. If nobody leaves at night, then that confirms that the observer has blue eyes. And so-on until n=100. oRenj9 fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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Jul 27, 2013 00:37
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Skuto posted:I'm not familiar with UK labor law, but does it have a concept of probational periods? Over here, for the first 3-6 months you can both be fired or leave yourself at very short notice (1 week for quitting, 2 weeks for being fired). Yes, this is pretty much standard in the UK too - 3 month probationary period during which you can be given 1 week's notice, and after that it's 1 month's notice and they have to have a good reason (I think it generally tends to go up the longer you've worked somewhere too). Very different from what I experienced in the US (edit: specifically Michigan) where it's 2 weeks' notice all the time any time for any reason. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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Jul 27, 2013 08:14
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Hard NOP Life posted:Would this work? No, the Guru only really speaks one time, and the people that will show up for the ferry always get it right because they already figured out their color. The problem is very precisely stated for a reason. oRenj9 posted the correct solution. Hiowf fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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Jul 27, 2013 09:56
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feedmegin posted:Yes, this is pretty much standard in the UK too - 3 month probationary period during which you can be given 1 week's notice, and after that it's 1 month's notice and they have to have a good reason (I think it generally tends to go up the longer you've worked somewhere too). I thought in the US you could be fired without notice for no reason?
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Jul 27, 2013 14:29
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qntm posted:I thought in the US you could be fired without notice for no reason? That depends on the state. It's an At-will employment thing and you'll find that many states offer exceptions that make employment more rigid. Sarcophallus fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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Sarcophallus posted:That depends on the state. It's only true for 'At-Will' employment. At will employment does have important exemptions: you can't be fired for a discriminatory reason, among others. It's really worth knowing what applies to you in your state since you can sue for compensation if you're illegally fired (Which happens a lot of the time, with the employer often helpfully documenting everything!)
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Jul 27, 2013 15:17
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How do you put being laid off on your resume vs getting fired?  Graduated college in December, had this job for 6 months, got laid off yesterday. I feel like only having 6 months of experience and then suddenly unemployed looks really bad but nothing I could have done 
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Jul 27, 2013 17:28
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Why would you mention why you left a job on your resume at all?
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Jul 27, 2013 17:33
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Plorkyeran posted:Why would you mention why you left a job on your resume at all? Yeah, say nothing about why, at all. Put the job on your resume with the dates you were employed. if they ask then you explain yourself.
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Jul 27, 2013 17:45
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Or just tell them you're still working there and just shopping around. Unless they know someone in the company and you don't have a buddy there you should be fine.
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Jul 27, 2013 17:47
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Skuto posted:The problem is very precisely stated for a reason. I misread it as the guru can only speak once a day. edit: wait I still don't get how his solution works when there's more than 1 eye color 
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I have a couple questions about location. I recently decided I was more open to out of state jobs, but I'm not sure how to go about applying. I have a friend who lives near LA and so I've been applying to any jobs I see in that area, but is there something more I can do than camp Craigslist? Are recruiters even an option when I can't respond given a single day notice? I have actually never had a recruiter set up an interview with more than 24 hours notice. Well, there was that one time the guy managed to plan it a week in advance, only I get to the interview and it turns out the company had no idea anyone was supposed to be having an interview. My second question is similar. There's a (small)chance I could actually move in with my friend in LA. Am I much more likely to find a job living in LA than I am here in Nashville? This probably isn't actually an option, even if he does end up in a better apartment and can make room for me, I don't know that I'd have the capability of sustaining myself over there for any amount of time. Oh yeah, I should specify. I've got a Bachelor's in computer science, and I'm looking for a programming position. I prefer C# or something similar, but I'm open to pretty much any position that's open to an entry-level developer.
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Jul 27, 2013 20:12
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Los Angeles is a large job market -- it's a large city, there are a ton of companies, lots of software jobs. I'd rather grow a career as a software developer there than in Nashville.
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Zero The Hero posted:I have a couple questions about location. I recently decided I was more open to out of state jobs, but I'm not sure how to go about applying. I have a friend who lives near LA and so I've been applying to any jobs I see in that area, but is there something more I can do than camp Craigslist? Are recruiters even an option when I can't respond given a single day notice? I have actually never had a recruiter set up an interview with more than 24 hours notice. Well, there was that one time the guy managed to plan it a week in advance, only I get to the interview and it turns out the company had no idea anyone was supposed to be having an interview. If you are looking in another city I'd go dedicated job website like monster. Places that advertise there will be more open to relocation packages and flights for interviews than someplace only posting on the local Craigslist.
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Jul 27, 2013 21:40
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oRenj9 posted:I think this is an induction problem and her statement is necessary to start the problem. If there's only one person with blue eyes on the island, then that person will see nobody with blue eyes. Because of the Guru's statement, the person who sees no other blue eyed people is the one with blue eyes. If there are two people (n+1) on the island with blue eyes, then each blue eyed person will only see one other person with blue eyes. If nobody leaves at night, then that confirms that the observer has blue eyes. And so-on until n=100. So it takes 100 nights for each blue-eyed person to to see every other blue-eyed person see hasn't left, then all the blue-eyed people leave the next night? Ad the rest stay for eternity? There's no way I would have ever come to that conclusion in a high-pressure interview environment unless I'd Googled "common tech interview logic problems" while sitting in the waiting room. Maybe if you've already worked a lot with induction for some reason and could notice the type of problem it was right out of the gate? Point being, when you have a 5 minute(ish) window to figure that out, what the hell are they actually trying to learn about you? An exceptional Math background? How much you prepared for the interview on Google? Savantism?
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shrughes posted:Los Angeles is a large job market -- it's a large city, there are a ton of companies, lots of software jobs. I'd rather grow a career as a software developer there than in Nashville. LA also sucks and the cost of living is astronomical, even if you try to commute.
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Jul 27, 2013 22:55
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boho posted:So it takes 100 nights for each blue-eyed person to to see every other blue-eyed person see hasn't left, then all the blue-eyed people leave the next night? Ad the rest stay for eternity? a) if someone asks you this question its probably because they googled the same thing. b) maybe you just don't do well at this kind of thing? its okay, i'm not very good at fixing cars, but somebody else is.
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famdav's fun logic puzzles: You have 100 statements, of the form: At most 0 of these statements are true. At most 1 of these statements is true. At most 2 of these statements are true. . . . At most 98 of these statements are true. At most 99 of these statements are true. How many statements are true? Which statements are true? ---- Give me a ten digit number, where digit i (indexed left to right from 0) is the number of occurrences of i in the number. Assume the 0th digit is not 0. ---- 7 people have hats that can be any of 7 colors put on their head. They can see their friends' hats, but not their own. The king says that if any one of the 7 correctly states what color hat is on their head, they all will not be put to death. Given the people can discuss beforehand, find a winning strategy. ---- John and Sally play a game where they randomly write an even number of numbers in a row like this: 1 2 3 10 29 ... 14 3 17 2 10 on a piece of paper. On each person's turn, they take a number from one of the ends of the line and add it to their total, crossing it out and shrinking the list by one. The player whose sum is the largest wins. Assume Sally goes first. How can she use her advanced female intellect to defeat the patriarchy? FamDav fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Jul 28, 2013 |
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Could we maybe not poo poo up this thread with stupid rear end logic puzzles? gently caress I am so bad at those things
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Heh, just saw this wall of text of "requirements" on a random job posting.quote:7+ years experience in software development and/or system administration They want an experienced developer, sysadmin, Windows and Linux guy, MSSQL/MySQL and Oracle experience, solid developer in like 8+ languages, solid in networking and TCP/IP, etc., all in one. Good luck.
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boho posted:LA also sucks and the cost of living is astronomical, even if you try to commute. Their cost of living isn't so bad. To be fair I'm posting from the Bay Area.
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FamDav you sure do have a hard-on for ritualism in your interviews.
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Gazpacho posted:FamDav you sure do have a hard-on for ritualism in your interviews. i think asking something like these questions during interviews is pretty silly. i much prefer looking at something you've done and hearing about problems on which you've worked. however, a lot of what people have worked on is just not particularly interesting to me. It's great that you've built 30 different blogs and a tic-tac-toe player, but that doesnt really tell me about your ability to solve more complex problems. so i end up giving you a quantitative reasoning problem, or an algorithms question, or a systems design question. if you don't want me to have to judge you by this metric, then maybe you should make something that is actually interesting. and these questions are still fun to solve 
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Pilsner posted:Heh, just saw this wall of text of "requirements" on a random job posting. drat, I can accomplish goals, but I cant accomplish objectives. Guess I'm out.
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Pilsner posted:They want an experienced developer, sysadmin, Windows and Linux guy, MSSQL/MySQL and Oracle experience, solid developer in like 8+ languages, solid in networking and TCP/IP, etc., all in one. Good luck. Basically an experienced full-stack devops who has worked in both the Linux and MS ecosystems. They're not impossible to find, but I don't know how much cash you'd have to shower someone with to have him join. Probably a lot. Which of course companies are never willing to pay, so that job posting will stay open forever.
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FamDav posted:and these questions are still fun to solve If stupid loving logic puzzles like this are your thing you should check out What Is the Name of This Book?, it is full of those awful loving things. If anyone's interested I could type some of the harder (all of them?) ones out and put them in a thread or something.
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It seems like on these puzzles that saying "this seems like an inductive solution" would buy you 75% of the points with just those six words.
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Ithaqua posted:I had an interview scheduled for this afternoon. When I woke up this morning, I felt like poo poo and had a fever, so I emailed the recruiter to reschedule. The recruiter emailed me back and let me know that the company wasn't interested in rescheduling. That seemed pretty weird. I've rescheduled interviews before and never had that happen. I'm guessing they thought I was borderline and decided that I was too much of a pain in the rear end. You're over-thinking this. DreadCthulhu posted:Basically an experienced full-stack devops who has worked in both the Linux and MS ecosystems. They're not impossible to find, but I don't know how much cash you'd have to shower someone with to have him join. Probably a lot. Which of course companies are never willing to pay, so that job posting will stay open forever. Very likely in Silicon Valley where they put out advertisements in movie theatres for Hadoop engineers.
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Zero The Hero posted:I have a couple questions about location. I recently decided I was more open to out of state jobs, but I'm not sure how to go about applying. I have a friend who lives near LA and so I've been applying to any jobs I see in that area, but is there something more I can do than camp Craigslist? Are recruiters even an option when I can't respond given a single day notice? I have actually never had a recruiter set up an interview with more than 24 hours notice. Well, there was that one time the guy managed to plan it a week in advance, only I get to the interview and it turns out the company had no idea anyone was supposed to be having an interview. Send me your resume.
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Pilsner posted:They want an experienced developer, sysadmin, Windows and Linux guy, MSSQL/MySQL and Oracle experience, solid developer in like 8+ languages, solid in networking and TCP/IP, etc., all in one. Good luck. Could be wishful thinking on their part, could be someone crucial quit/retired and they listed his resume as their requirements in the hopes they'll get a drop-in replacement instead of thinking about what they actually require, could be a H1B regulation circumvention ad.
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etcetera08 posted:How do you put being laid off on your resume vs getting fired? Focus on your contributions!!!!! If you did nothing in 6 months, that is what you should panic about, and you have yourself to blame. To dig yourself out, start hobby coding while unemployed and get mercilessly good at something you like doing in technology. Learn and churn..
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Otto Skorzeny posted:Could be wishful thinking on their part, could be someone crucial quit/retired and they listed his resume as their requirements in the hopes they'll get a drop-in replacement instead of thinking about what they actually require, could be a H1B regulation circumvention ad. LOL at the visa comments. All the Indian developers I work with always tell me how it is cultural in India to put as many technologies as possible on a resume. When I worked at Fidelity almost all my coworkers were Indians and they were jealous of my breadth of knowledge, never mind my lack of depth and the fact I am not a master at anything in particular. I would say that there are a lot of mediocre developers out there, and that this company is simply trying to dissuade mediocre developers from applying. We do this, too, albeit we do it differently -- we come out straight away and say we want the person who has been coding since before they had a car. We just hired a kid who is 21 and dropped out of college his first week there, and he knows C# ridiculously well - he could write a C# compiler if he wanted to, and has already written a C# disassembler for fun.
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kitten smoothie posted:It seems like on these puzzles that saying "this seems like an inductive solution" would buy you 75% of the points with just those six words. LOL. I actually used that line once in an interview and it totally gained me points even though it was an irrelevant statement. The question was, Have you ever heard of the Rule of 72 and, if so, why does it work so well? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_72 I was interviewing for an algorithmic trading shop that operated a dark pool. I did a whole bunch of other crazy things during the interview that I was SURE would kill my chances for a call back, and sure enough, I was the only candidate in months who they had given a second round to. The major key was that I was supremely confident in my answers to the point where I got the interviewer doubting if he really knew the best solution to a problem. Oh, man, good times. The second round was far less successful because I had an allergy attack during the interview.
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If we're going to discuss logic puzzles now, could we at least discuss ones that aren't absurdly trivial?
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God rested on the 7th day, and Sam Reid Hughes put petals around the rose.
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I was under the impression that logic puzzles on interviews were on their way out. Is this not so?
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shrughes posted:If we're going to discuss logic puzzles now, could we at least discuss ones that aren't absurdly trivial? the third one was meant to be less trivial
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