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DFu4ever posted:Having watched it recently I would have to disagree. The movie holds up extremely well. Original story, solid acting, good effects, and great tension. I'd still argue it's one of the best horror films ever made.
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And, since I was the one that countered it, the problem with Event Horizon is that it's so overshadowed in its subgenre of horror by better but similar enough films that it becomes pointless (while being derivative in itself of many of those films). Hellraiser 1 + 2 cover most of the themes and imagery much much better. If I want a weird movie with Sam Neil losing it, I'll just watch In The Mouth of Madness. I've seen it as "good if you haven't seen any other horror of the type" which is perfect when you're younger, but it becomes less than a footnote once you have, and loses value when you see how things were pieced together to make it (while stripped of much of their bite). Resident Evil 1 has similar issues.
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Fox is dialing back expectations for The Wolverine. They originally estimated a $75 million weekend debut, but now it's looking closer to the $50-55 million range. Thankfully for the studio this only cost $100 million. http://variety.com/2013/film/box-office/box-office-wolverine-carves-out-21-million-friday-1200568879/
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FlamingLiberal posted:Fox is dialing back expectations for The Wolverine. They originally estimated a $75 million weekend debut, but now it's looking closer to the $50-55 million range. Thankfully for the studio this only cost $100 million. Our theater wasn't even half full. Everyone I've talked to who hasn't seen it expects it to be as bad as Origins. Hopefully word of mouth will help the film do better.
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I'm surprised that Origins is still causing problems for Wolverine, considering this movie had a ton of marketing behind it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm surprised that Origins is still causing problems for Wolverine, considering this movie had a ton of marketing behind it. People saw a movie they hated and you expect them to forget that when they see a sequel being advertised?
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Darko posted:And, since I was the one that countered it, the problem with Event Horizon is that it's so overshadowed in its subgenre of horror by better but similar enough films that it becomes pointless (while being derivative in itself of many of those films). Hellraiser 1 + 2 cover most of the themes and imagery much much better. If I want a weird movie with Sam Neil losing it, I'll just watch In The Mouth of Madness. I've seen it as "good if you haven't seen any other horror of the type" which is perfect when you're younger, but it becomes less than a footnote once you have, and loses value when you see how things were pieced together to make it (while stripped of much of their bite). Resident Evil 1 has similar issues. FlamingLiberal posted:I'm surprised that Origins is still causing problems for Wolverine, considering this movie had a ton of marketing behind it.
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achillesforever6 posted:What if I want to see a movie where Sam Neil is the evil bad guy? Daybreakers or Omen III? Possession. Definitely Possession. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3GiZ36_Iuw
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achillesforever6 posted:What if I want to see a movie where Sam Neil is the evil bad guy? Daybreakers or Omen III? Watch all eight episodes of Happy Town and pretend it's a long-rear end weird remake of Twin Peaks that was never finished or, really, started.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm surprised that Origins is still causing problems for Wolverine, considering this movie had a ton of marketing behind it.
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"Better than X3" isn't saying very much. As for better than First Class, well, there's no accounting for taste, but you're literally the only person I've ever seen say that.
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The reason First Class was so good was that the movie basically perfected and held a consistent, light, somewhat kitschy tone from top to bottom that matched its source material and era in which it was set. While having legitimately good scenes, dynamic enough direction, an entertaining enough villain with a fun enough power, and a couple of great performances. It had the most "good" of any of the movies throughout even if there were standouts in other movies like X-2's Nightcrawler scene that may have been better. that's why, when people say stuff like "Origins Wolverine was better" I can't even figure out what framework they're working with, outside of "it showed me something I wanted to see in the plot."
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X3 is actually one of my favorite X films. I never understood all the hate.
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Devour posted:I still don't understand all the hate for Origins. It was infinitely better than X3 & I also enjoyed more than First Class. Crunk Abortion posted:X3 is actually one of my favorite X films. I never understood all the hate.  Is this a joke? Did someone organize a joke in the Comic Book Movie Thread? Rhyno? Was this you?
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I think it's underrated because people are mad that certain things happened to certain characters that they didn't want to happen. Or that it didn't "do justice" to a comic storyline in a way they wanted. Which is mostly irrelevant when talking about a single film (without a legitimate counterpoint as to why alternatives would have made a superior narrative). Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's very good, but I still find it to be more watchable than the 1st in retrospect.
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Tuxedo Jack posted:
No, I think these guys are serious!
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They cast Kelsey Grammar as Beast, for gods sake! Really the first half of the movie is pretty solid, the only part that sucks is once Jean gets together with Magneto they don't really go anywhere with it. And too much super jumping for no reason in the climactic fight. If I had to rank them it'd look like:
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I'm not going to bother rehashing all of the problems that I, personally, have with the X-Films. Everyone has a right to like whatever movies they want, so if you dig it, so be it. Personally, I think all of the X-Men movies are poo poo, except for parts of the first two, and parts of First Class. I have zero faith in Days of the Future Past, and won't be giving Fox anymore of my money on this franchise. I'll wait for the eventual reboot.
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TheJoker138 posted:Event Horizon is the best Doom movie that will ever be made. It also has the best, and arguably most realistic response to the discovery of paranormal elements on a derelict ship in space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds2JB0zJ6ks
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Kevin Bacon was absolutely amazing in First Class. Also every scene with Charles and Erik was really good. The action bits in First Class were pretty lame though. They felt so tacked-on, like they knew they couldnt make an X-Men movie without some mutants fighting eventually. Plus they killed the black guy.
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Travis343 posted:Plus they killed the black guy. He'll be fine in a movie or two. It's his entire power.
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Travis343 posted:Kevin Bacon was absolutely amazing in First Class. Also every scene with Charles and Erik was really good. The action bits in First Class were pretty lame though. They felt so tacked-on, like they knew they couldnt make an X-Men movie without some mutants fighting eventually. The black guy always died in the 60's 
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TheJoker138 posted:Event Horizon is the best Doom movie that will ever be made.
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X3 is a movie packed with with anticlimaxes, its seriously so goddamn committed to undercutting itself at every turn. Cyclops dies offscreen. Sentinals are in it but its a simulation. Angel's introduced and has basically no plot purpose. Magneto loses his powers but not really. Professor Xavier dies but not really. We get a big all out mutant war where the enemy mutants powers are to run at the heroes and try to punch them. We get a mutant cure and yay, I guess the problem wasnt humanities bigotry after all. It was those darn evil mutants.
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Travis343 posted:Also every scene with Charles and Erik was really good. I agree, both of those scenes were pretty good.
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massive spider posted:X3 is a movie packed with with anticlimaxes, its seriously so goddamn committed to undercutting itself at every turn. Angel was hilariously pointless. He saved his dad, in pretty much a totally unrelated plot to the rest of the movie. Like imagine Angel and all his scenes not being in the movie at all, you lose nothing. I can't think of anything more pointless.
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XMen 3 has this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6lVZ-y0ULc First Class has this (although the main/Magneto themes are overplayed in the films): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LYzQIZeuRg The other movies have stuff, like, blargh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S5bH4ona2s ...therefore, X3 rises in merit just from having an enjoyable score to listen to outside of the film.
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I can only really think of this theme when I think X-Men First Class https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCPOcGla1rs I guess it's not that bad on its own, but it's played probably four or five times and was VERY out of place in the scene with Magneto and the Nazis at the bar.
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Dirk Digglet posted:I can only really think of this theme when I think X-Men First Class I remember thinking the exact same thing. That scene would have been so much more effective if it was done without music like a tense Tarantino dialogue scene.
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Travis343 posted:Kevin Bacon was absolutely amazing in First Class. Also every scene with Charles and Erik was really good. The action bits in First Class were pretty lame though. They felt so tacked-on, like they knew they couldnt make an X-Men movie without some mutants fighting eventually. First Class actually made mutants scary. Can't remember his name, but the Nightcrawler guy teleporting people into the sky and having them fall to their death was pretty unsettling.
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First Class has a lot of things wrong with it but it has this vibe and this energy to it that sands over the bad parts in a way that you don't normally see with big budget superhero franchise entries. There's something downright weird to it in a way I really like.
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Colonel Whitey posted:I remember thinking the exact same thing. That scene would have been so much more effective if it was done without music like a tense Tarantino dialogue scene. If it was done well, they could make an entire movie called Erik Lenchur: Nazi Hunter and I would watch the poo poo out of it.
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I think it started out as a Magneto Origins movie but they tacked on the other stuff. It felt like two different movies in one.
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Mu Zeta posted:I think it started out as a Magneto Origins movie but they tacked on the other stuff. It felt like two different movies in one. I definitely remember Magneto Origins being announced at the same time Wolverine Origins was, so you might be on to something there.
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Pretty sure First Class was Frankensteined together from two different scripts and was put together on a really short timeframe. It's amazing that the movie turned out as good as it did.
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Pops Mgee posted:Pretty sure First Class was Frankensteined together from two different scripts and was put together on a really short timeframe. It's amazing that the movie turned out as good as it did. A lot of it is the cast. Fassbender especially because casting him as Magneto was just perfect. (But also Rose Byrne, even if she doesn't have a Scots accent...)
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Fassbender is good in every role no matter how lovely the movie (Prometheus)
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Travis343 posted:I definitely remember Magneto Origins being announced at the same time Wolverine Origins was, so you might be on to something there. The MO film was killed almost immediately because McKellen said he had no interest in returning to the character. Singer is the only reason he and Stewart came back for DOFP.
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Sockser posted:Fassbender is good in every role no matter how lovely the movie (Prometheus) Buddy, this ain't the kind place for that kind of talk.
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Maxwell Lord posted:First Class has a lot of things wrong with it but it has this vibe and this energy to it that sands over the bad parts in a way that you don't normally see with big budget superhero franchise entries. There's something downright weird to it in a way I really like. It's a movie that combines James Bond and 19th-century literature with dumb comicbook movie bullshit to create a camped-up sexual revolution analogy featuring a literal gaydar. It's the careful balance of Adam West Batman tone and straight-faced Importance that saves it, even if it's ultimately just okay.
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