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Harminoff posted:Anyone watch hell baby yet? I saw it at Sundance. It's very funny but I wouldn't call it good. It just doesn't come together all that well. It feels more like an adult swim series played back to back than it does a movie.
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wyoming posted:I hope it's a sitcom about all the whacky hijinks that come from raising the spawn of Satan. If they manage to get Bruce Willis to voice the baby in the vein of Look Who's Talking, I think they'd be on to the next great trend in horror cinema. I want to hear how Rosemary's baby has to go pee pee in the potty.
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So I watched The ABCs of Death tonight and I was kinda enjoying it, wondering why it got all the hate it does when F came up and I understood completely. Still didn't hate it as much as most of you but man, F is one of the worst things I've ever seen in a movie.
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Wilhelm Scream posted:So I watched The ABCs of Death tonight and I was kinda enjoying it, wondering why it got all the hate it does when F came up and I understood completely. I'm with you. I enjoyed more of it than most people did, although I can't really explain why other than it reminded me of the short student film festivals I would attend in college. But as terrible as F was, H was the absolute worst for me. I'll take death and rebirth by cosmic fart over symbolic atomic nazi furry force loving any day of the week. I never thought those were choices I'd have to make, but such is life.
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Jul 29, 2013 09:48
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Oh god, I think I just blocked H out of my mind. K and L were pretty bad, too.
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Wilhelm Scream posted:Oh god, I think I just blocked H out of my mind. I actually liked L. Well, "liked" is probably not an accurate term for L. I thought that it was a pretty damning commentary on voyeurism. I thought that it at least had something to say, however rough it was to watch. I don't even remember what K was about. The one that everyone seemed to hate that I actually got a chuckle out of was J.
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I've seen most of those movies already but i'll be checking out house of the devil and a tale of two sisters. Also the best ABCS of Death shorts were: F,H,J,Q,T and Z. OnlyLivingWitness posted:I actually liked L. Well, "liked" is probably not an accurate term for L. I thought that it was a pretty damning commentary on voyeurism. I thought that it at least had something to say, however rough it was to watch.
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"L" was gross and definitely super torture-porn-esque. D and P are hard to watch if you like animals.
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OnlyLivingWitness posted:If they manage to get Bruce Willis to voice the baby in the vein of Look Who's Talking, I think they'd be on to the next great trend in horror cinema. I want to hear how Rosemary's baby has to go pee pee in the potty. Three Men and Rosemary's Baby, or nothing. 
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Jedit posted:Three Men and Rosemary's Baby, or nothing. Wasn't this one of the TV shows on channel 666 from Stay Tuned?
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Parachute posted:Wasn't this one of the fake TV shows from Stay Tuned? It may have been. I only remember The Exorcisist - "And now, head spins!"
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Jul 29, 2013 13:19
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Parachute posted:Wasn't this one of the TV shows on channel 666 from Stay Tuned? It was. Along with: My Three Sons of Bitches Reap's Company Driving Over Miss Daisy Northern Overexposure Autopsies of the Rich & Famous The Exorciseist Murder, She Likes I Love Lucifer Golden Ghouls Unmarried....With Children The Home Shoplifting Channel The David Dukes of Hazzard Duane's Underworld thirtysomething-to-life (in prison) The Facts of Life Support Beverly Hills, 90666
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Dare I see whether or not Stay Tuned holds up?
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Last I saw, the whole movie is on YouTube, so I say go for it.
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Things I've Recently Watched: The Bay is the most recent film I watched. It was alright, worth the fact it was on Netflix and cost nothing me no additional cash. Found footage bothers me when it is like Cloverfield and forced with shaky cam, but using multiple sources of found footage (police car video, new reports, security cameras) allows the director to actually direct things like camera angle which I think make these films better than others in the genera. V/H/S-2 was pretty alright, depending on the segment. It was hit or miss, but being a fan of the first one it was worth the watch but maybe not the On Demand price. Maniac was interesting and daring but not a film I finished, it was just boring to me and the graphic parts did not shock me enough to keep me watching. The Girl Next Door was not the horror film me and my buddy aimed for, it was dark and disturbing and true horror and we wanted something scary without causing us to feel too put off. So we watched Tim and Eric's Billion Dollar Movie to re-charge and called it a night. Things I'm Going to Watch: The Mist (Black and White - A special feature on the DVD or Blu-ray is the ability to watch the film in black and white. I can't comment on this because I have yet to see it, but I have a great love of when black and white is done right. Some great movies from the best directors aren't in color because the medium was new and they were trained in black and white, and while this obviously is not the case, I'm wondering how The Mist works out with that. One thing they aimed for with the film is making it a psuedo-period piece, apparently having cell phones but old military attire. Should be cool, going to check it out after being inspired by the previous poster below. I liked the film he first time I saw it, hoping for an interesting second watch.
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Doomsday Jesus posted:Some of us love possession movies, and obviously the movie going public (non-goons/sperglords) love them as well. If you don't like possession/demon movies, then why go see them? I will never understand that train of thought. I abhor torture films so I actively avoid them. I think they are disgusting and devoid of any redeeming qualities, but I am not running around politicking for them to end forever because I understand there is a segment of the population, albeit small, that loves them. My problem with possession films is that horror genre shifts generally take away from other horror genres because of studio pushes. Slashers are popular, so every studio greenlights a slasher script and ignores possession scripts, torture is popular, so possession is ignored and everyone does torture, etc. Having a focus on one genre means the other is swept under the rug for a while. My problem with possession movies is: a) Demons aren't scary because there's an exploitable "out" to them in most cases, and generally, the existence of demons means the existence of a God, which is typically a positive thing. Demons normally mean, "hey, this fairy tale religion thing is actually reality, I guess I'll go look into that and get my eternal bliss reward." b) Ghosts aren't scary because the existence of ghosts means the existence of souls/afterlives/etc., which is far LESS scary than the knowledge that you just blink out of existence forever when you die. c) Ghost/Possession movies rely on the same techniques far too often that aren't built upon and lampooned in the way monster or slasher techniques are. The slasher craze evolved into imaginative stuff like Nightmare on Elm Street. Possession movies have evolved into still ripping off The Exorcist in 40 years. Basically, any movie that proves an afterlife, especially one based on Christianity, is less scary by default because that is less scary than "becoming nothing." The counter to this being stuff like Hellraiser or Berserk that says "yes, there's an afterlife, and it's hosed," which isn't really what has been coming out. The Exorcist was great, not because it was scary, but because the underlying film was actually quite beautiful. The entire movie being about faith and modern relevance made it interesting, and it was directed/acted wonderfully. That's why the movie lasts long after the shock value is done.
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Darko posted:My problem with possession films is that horror genre shifts generally take away from other horror genres because of studio pushes. Slashers are popular, so every studio greenlights a slasher script and ignores possession scripts, torture is popular, so possession is ignored and everyone does torture, etc. Having a focus on one genre means the other is swept under the rug for a while. This argument is the exact reason Stanley Kubrick said The Shining was a hopeful and optimistic film. I guess my response to it has always hinged on the idea that ghosts don't always operate by rules we the living can figure out, and maybe demons just do exist but without god or an afterlife--it's just that sometimes these horrible things wreck you up for no reason and there's nothing you can do.
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Prefuse posted:It was an incredibly shallow "message" and was basically just an flimsy excuse to film torture porn. If the segment had been called "T for Torture Porn," I wouldn't have been surprised. I think the very idea of torture porn is exactly what it's addressing. I can see not liking it, but I wouldn't dismiss it as shallow. I also think that, like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre or The Human Centipede, the segment is far less graphic than people seem to remember it being. And as an aside, "torture porn" is still one of the worst terms ever.
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The problem is that it gets tossed around for anything remotely gory. Like, Jason is taking a machete to those camp councilors? Torture porn! It's clearly meant for the audience to enjoy it, after all.
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Jack Gladney posted:This argument is the exact reason Stanley Kubrick said The Shining was a hopeful and optimistic film. I actually don't mind the idea of "there are these horrible things out there and no God." That's kind of why I mentioned Hellraiser/Berserk - Cenobites, before being screwed up, aren't demons, and the intent (of the story, 1st movie) is basically that Heaven and Hell are the same thing and not "good" at all. Infinite pleasure is infinite pain, and the next level of understanding is a horrible road to get there. Once things are defined to "ghost" or "Christian demon," then it starts to lose a lot of that. Which is what most possession/ghost movies actually are. When I see Paranormal Activity, all i think of is, "why is that demon such a dick" or "oh look, it pushed a chair, how lame is that" as opposed to fear. Whereas something that gets into a more Lovecraftian unknown actually taps into the imagination centers of my mind.
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DeathChicken posted:The problem is that it gets tossed around for anything remotely gory. Like, Jason is taking a machete to those camp councilors? Torture porn! It's clearly meant for the audience to enjoy it, after all. Or that the movies that are used as the defaults (Saw and Hostel) don't even fit the description used for it. I mean, yeah, later Saws, maybe, but the term is almost normally a litmus test for people that don't really "get" the movies they watch, or let marketing override content in their mind (the same with TCM being oh so gory).
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The presence of demons does not imply the presence of God - it's the Catholicism so present in these movies that implies that.Dissapointed Owl posted:Dare I see whether or not Stay Tuned holds up? I Warship Satin is still a good joke.
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I just finished American Mary by the Soska Sisters and while it loses its' way something fierce after an hour or so, I still more or less enjoyed myself. Very good performance by Katharine Isabelle pretty much carries it, plus a lot of the body mod stuff being fairly unsettling. Give it a go sometime. Oh yeah, also randomly picked up Scream Factory's special edition release of Lifeforce. Haven't seen it in God knows how long, but I'm happy that I can buy a nice shiny blu ray of a film that features wacky space vampires and the physical evidence of Tobe Hooper completely losing his poo poo.
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Darko posted:I actually don't mind the idea of "there are these horrible things out there and no God." That's kind of why I mentioned Hellraiser/Berserk - Cenobites, before being screwed up, aren't demons, and the intent (of the story, 1st movie) is basically that Heaven and Hell are the same thing and not "good" at all. Infinite pleasure is infinite pain, and the next level of understanding is a horrible road to get there. Is the demon in the original Paranormal Activity explicity a Christian demon though? I remember them leaving it intentionally vague and not based on any specific theology. That's part of what I remember loving about the movie, that they didn't explain a whole lot about what was terrorizing them beyond it being a demon that didn't want anything rational from them other than to cause pain and suffering. I didn't catch the fourth movie yet, but I didn't like that they tried to provide more of a rationale for the demon to be attached to Kate as the series went on. I caught The Conjuring this weekend, and my thoughts are pretty similar to the comments I've seen in the last few pages. Parts of it were very well-done, but the characterization was really weak. I do think it had the best exorcism scene I've seen in a while, usually those don't do much for me. It also had some of the best sound design of any horror film I've seen. There's a scene where they use this really loud, deep rumble that shakes the walls of the theater to provide a scare during a tense scene. I thought that was a really cool alternative to the usual SUDDEN LOUD NOISE that movies use to get a jump scare.
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Schlitzkrieg Bop posted:Is the demon in the original Paranormal Activity explicity a Christian demon though? I remember them leaving it intentionally vague and not based on any specific theology. That's part of what I remember loving about the movie, that they didn't explain a whole lot about what was terrorizing them beyond it being a demon that didn't want anything rational from them other than to cause pain and suffering. I didn't catch the fourth movie yet, but I didn't like that they tried to provide more of a rationale for the demon to be attached to Kate as the series went on. No, it's just implied to be a demon ancestors made a deal with, to be fair - I just find those movies completely boring which is why I can't avoid taking shots at them. However, 99% of possession movies are Protestant/Catholic, and have definitive "rites" or "reasons" applied. At least Japanese/Korean possession/ghost films aren't often about an afterlife so much as the malevolent hate/emotions of a person taking shape and attacking, in many cases.
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I think in general it would be better if people just didn't see movies in genres that don't work for them rather than wanting the entire genre to go away. I mean it's fine if you don't like possession movies but that doesn't mean everybody doesn't like possession movies.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Dare I see whether or not Stay Tuned holds up? It does, to me at least - I will never get tired of John Ritter.  He was in my favorite episode of Three's Company, the one with the big misunderstanding.
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axleblaze posted:I think in general it would be better if people just didn't see movies in genres that don't work for them rather than wanting the entire genre to go away. I mean it's fine if you don't like possession movies but that doesn't mean everybody doesn't like possession movies. Demon/Possession and haunted house movies are my favorite types of horror films, so I'm going to be a bit sad when the current trends die off. Speaking of demon movies, I totally missed that Last Exorcism 2 came out earlier this year. The critic reviews seem to be especially horrible, did the thread have a different consensus about it?
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I thought it was an incredibly dull film. The very final scene in the movie is somewhat interesting but it didn't earn it and I'd checked out long before. It's just a tame PG13 time waster. I loved the original though. Are there any recommended possession movies that don't just end with 'Yay God!' The Evil Dead series is the kind of possession I like, where the demons are an engine for horror, not just a literal deus ex machina redemptive ending.
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Schlitzkrieg Bop posted:Demon/Possession and haunted house movies are my favorite types of horror films, so I'm going to be a bit sad when the current trends die off. I actually really liked it, it's essentially a conventional remake of the found footage original using Ashley Bell's character as the POV character and honestly, she was probably my favorite part of the original because she's such a sweetie pie. The conclusion of the third act just owns like hell, too. There's nothing really in it to be vituperative about aside from the fact that a lot of critics just don't like horror movies, particularly sequels.
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Darko posted:Or that the movies that are used as the defaults (Saw and Hostel) don't even fit the description used for it. I mean, yeah, later Saws, maybe, but the term is almost normally a litmus test for people that don't really "get" the movies they watch, or let marketing override content in their mind (the same with TCM being oh so gory). When I first heard the term ages ago, it was used completely out of context, and the first movie that popped into my head that it might apply to was Home Alone, not Hostel.
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Silly Hippie posted:I feel like the portrayal of the Warrens is less of an issue when you consider the fact that the average moviegoer probably does not have a loving clue who they are, nor do they care. No one I saw that movie with had any idea they were real people. As far as I'm concerned the people in The Conjuring are a random fictionalized ghosthunting couple and they were perfectly fine characters. Its not a problem to portray a %100 fictional character in a positive way, but these specific characters are not fictional. If you make a movie about a fictional politician you can do whatever you want, but if you make a Nixon movie you better include at least some mention of Watergate.
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axleblaze posted:I think in general it would be better if people just didn't see movies in genres that don't work for them rather than wanting the entire genre to go away. I mean it's fine if you don't like possession movies but that doesn't mean everybody doesn't like possession movies. Did you see the post about horror coming in trends and current trends often historically overriding other horror genres being greenlit?
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Darko posted:Did you see the post about horror coming in trends and current trends often historically overriding other horror genres being greenlit? The general idea of thinking that because a movie that's in a genre you don't like is being made that a movie you would like isn't being made is a fool's game of what ifs that can never be proven of disproven. As I said, if the public doesn't want the movies, they will start to do badly and they'll move on to the next trend. They're obviously doing well right now and people like them so they're gonna keep making them for now. It's not like zero non-possession horror movies are being made, just less.
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axleblaze posted:The general idea of thinking that because a movie that's in a genre you don't like is being made that a movie you would like isn't being made is a fool's game of what ifs that can never be proven of disproven. And the truth is that studios are very very quick to respond to any major failures, almost to a fault. The first time someone spends 40 million on a possession movie and makes none of it back will be the last possession movie we'll see for a good while. Right now you stand a good chance of doubling your budget with these kind of movies. The market is there so there's really no use in complaining, business is business.
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Basebf555 posted:And the truth is that studios are very very quick to respond to any major failures, almost to a fault. The first time someone spends 40 million on a possession movie and makes none of it back will be the last possession movie we'll see for a good while. Right now you stand a good chance of doubling your budget with these kind of movies. The market is there so there's really no use in complaining, business is business. That's pretty much why I said if you don't like a genre of movie just don't see it. If people start staying home for the genre, they'll move onto the next thing that's an unexpected hit.
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I'm kind of wondering what the next thing will be. We've seen a lot of our favourite genres turned on their heads and retreaded and remade so many times that I have to wonder what horror will churn out next. I'm kind of hoping that You're Next will do well and we see some new twists on home invasion, because personally I prefer a horror that's remotely grounded in reality and not in the magic/supernatural/demonic realm.
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flashy_mcflash posted:I'm kind of wondering what the next thing will be. We've seen a lot of our favourite genres turned on their heads and retreaded and remade so many times that I have to wonder what horror will churn out next. I'm kind of hoping that You're Next will do well and we see some new twists on home invasion, because personally I prefer a horror that's remotely grounded in reality and not in the magic/supernatural/demonic realm. I'm hoping V/H/S will strike the return of the anthology film. I don't think it's done well enough for it to be a trend though.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:They tried making a dibbuk movie twice and neither did well enough, apparently. A Serious Man was really good.
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