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abagofcheetos posted:There is no reason the Wii U shouldn't have launched at $199 either (oh wait, stupid tablet). I think even if Nintendo had withheld the tablet and just launched a more powerful HD next gen system to compete with MS and Sony, the lowest the system would have sold for is 250 (and that's being extremely generous) in order for them to make any kind of a return on it. The days of next-gen systems launching for under 300 dollars are long gone. The only reason the Wii launched for the price it did was because it was Gamecube Hardware with motion controls which most people in this thread know already.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:You missed the whole point. When I'm using my cell phone to play a mobile videogame that hardly presents the same power as a Wii U game and it uses Wi-Fi I don't even get three hours (Samsung Galaxy SIII). That's actually pretty garbage battery life for a cell phone.
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bushisms.txt posted:This like complaing that Nintendo didn't use the waggle for more than rolls in DKCReturns. Why's that? All I'm saying is give me the option to disable "features" I don't really bother with to reduce battery drain caused by powering a screen I'm not looking at.
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Jul 31, 2013 19:59
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Zomodok posted:You just reaffirmed what I said what the Wii U was doing? Yes the Wii U is doing it, Yes the console itself is doing all the rendering and then transmitting it to the tablet's screen. So pretty much you're complaining Nintendo tried to save money, with the size of battery they used. I can get that.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:You missed the whole point. When I'm using my cell phone to play a mobile videogame that hardly presents the same power as a Wii U game and it uses Wi-Fi I don't even get three hours (Samsung Galaxy SIII). It has nothing to do with your phone working for texting and business. When specifically using a cell phone for video game entertainment, it's usually worse than a Gamepad playing an HD modern game. I'm not arguing mobile gaming vs. console gaming here, I'm making the point that having a screen like that is an energy suck. Hence why the Wii U Pro gets you the sort of battery life you'd get out of a 360 or PS3 controller. The screen on a GamePad is DECIDEDLY WORSE than anything found on a modern high-end smartphone. Like its not even close. And not one thing you posted justifies the very weak battery life on a device that is several times larger than your Galaxy S3 (which you should really change the battery out of if you're having that many issues, as well as plug the stupid thing in if you're playing games that much), and with only a slight physical revision could carry a better, longer lasting battery right out the door, without sacrificing the form factor of the thing. If you're insistent on killing the conversation through sheer idiocy, feel free to continue though.
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Jul 31, 2013 20:02
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I think the issue with complaining about the internal specs of the console itself (Gamepad aside) is that it's not hard to imagine an alternate universe where Nintendo invested in PS4/XBone-level specs and still had difficulty moving units. From a financial perspective, Nintendo's become extremely cautious about investing in powerful hardware because they don't envision a strong ROI from it within casual market they want to hang on to.
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Jul 31, 2013 20:03
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Supercar Gautier posted:I think the issue with complaining about the internal specs of the console itself (Gamepad aside) is that it's not hard to imagine an alternate universe where Nintendo invested in PS4/XBone-level specs and still had difficulty moving units. From a financial perspective, Nintendo's become extremely cautious about investing in powerful hardware because they don't envision a strong ROI from it within casual market they want to hang on to.
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Jul 31, 2013 20:09
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:You missed the whole point. When I'm using my cell phone to play a mobile videogame that hardly presents the same power as a Wii U game and it uses Wi-Fi I don't even get three hours (Samsung Galaxy SIII). It has nothing to do with your phone working for texting and business. When specifically using a cell phone for video game entertainment, it's usually worse than a Gamepad playing an HD modern game. I'm not arguing mobile gaming vs. console gaming here, I'm making the point that having a screen like that is an energy suck. Hence why the Wii U Pro gets you the sort of battery life you'd get out of a 360 or PS3 controller. The gamepad does not do any rendering or processing however. It just streams a video/audio signal in, and a control signal out. I don't really think it has a bad battery life though, maybe because I can't think of any opportunity in years I've had to play five hours of games at a time, or anytime I would even want to.
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Cultisto posted:Why's that? All I'm saying is give me the option to disable "features" I don't really bother with to reduce battery drain caused by powering a screen I'm not looking at. The tablet is the system unfortunately. People talk about how Nintendo hasn't shown why the tablet is great. Nintendo has already shown the main purpose is to be off-tv play. Watch the reveal trailer, it's all about socializing with others even if/when you're playing a single player game. People cry that Mario Kart8 is only going to have a horn. But they would also cry if Nintendo forced you to do things counter intuitive to a family kart game. People forget but then remember when a new release is out, that Nintendo has been making the same games for 30 loving years. They need new ways to do things. The gamepad is a tool for developers to come up with new ideas, if a game uses every part of the controller, it will either be a master class or disaster. IF Nintendo had put out a simliar specced console, they would still get little to no support, from the same people they've already been getting support. The GameCube had 4 Nintendo games and a ton of mediocre third party support at launch, but still bombed. Hardware is not the problem. Nintendo used to hate gently caress these developers into working for them, and now those companies are just going to forget? It's like when Fish and Blow talk poo poo about MSFT, why would they want to even tempt the same experience. Think about EA, they used to have the best selling Madden on Wii, but slowly they pulled more and more support to see what they could get away with, and they found they could get away with not putting games on the system. CoD was also a a great seller on Wii. So yes, it is Nintendo's fault. bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jul 31, 2013 |
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bushisms.txt posted:The CPU is a little bit less, but the GPU and other parts make up for it, and the Wii U is actually not that far behind the Xbone. You still haven't cited your sources or answered the question to prove this. bushisms.txt posted:Go look at NFSMW, the Wii U was superior in every way except car count in multiplayer, and that was because of lovely dev tools, Nintendo's fault, and it was a quick and dirty port to get the game done. Nobody has mentioned this but I would hope that an upgraded console released in 2012 would be superior than those released from 2005-2006
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Jul 31, 2013 20:14
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greatn posted:The gamepad does not do any rendering or processing however. It just streams a video/audio signal in, and a control signal out. You have remember that in between draining the battery with actual playing it'll also lose charge while just lying around.
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bushisms.txt posted:IF Nintendo had put out a simliar specced console, bushisms.txt posted:The CPU is a little bit less, but the GPU and other parts make up for it, and the Wii U is actually not that far behind the Xbone. Which is it? Weak console performance or close enough to xbone next gen performance? CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jul 31, 2013 |
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Jul 31, 2013 20:15
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I'm still trying to figure out why the went with the gamepad to begin with, when they could cram stuff like HUDs and a second viewpoint on the 3DS systems that are already out in the wild. It's also a second screen that's useful outside your house  Granted, I don't think it can encode the video output from the Wii U, but how many people honestly lose access to the TV they use for games on a regular basis?
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Jul 31, 2013 20:18
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bushisms.txt posted:People talk about how Nintendo hasn't shown why the tablet is great. Nintendo has already shown the main purpose is to be off-tv play. Watch the reveal trailer, it's all about socializing with others even if/when you're playing a single player game. This was a pretty terrible premise on Nintendo's part. Anyone with a wife or kid knows, you can't have healthy or meaningful social interaction with someone while you have a screen in front of your face doing something they are not a part of. In a way it's worse than taking up the TV because now you're all experiencing different things. It's like having a conversation with someone browsing Facebook on their phone.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Which is it? Weaker console performance or close enough to xbone next gen performance? Those two aren't exclusive.
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Zomodok posted:You still haven't cited your sources or answered the question to prove this. quote:Nobody has mentioned this but I would hope that an upgraded console released in 2012 would be superior than those released from 2005-2006 And yet, I was quoting someone who says it's not as powerful as boxes from 2005, so you see the catch-22 of logic I'm in, and how hard it is for me not to get nauseous from all the eye rolling I'm doing from reading that.
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Jul 31, 2013 20:19
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Boiled Water posted:You have remember that in between draining the battery with actual playing it'll also lose charge while just lying around. Oh, I always put mine on the charging cradle when I'm done.
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Jul 31, 2013 20:20
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greatn posted:It's like having a conversation with someone browsing Facebook on their phone. Have you not talked to a teenager in the last 5 years? Kurtofan posted:Those two aren't exclusive. This. Also take in to account, MSFT won't release official specs because they know they are underpowered, and the fact that they used to trumpet the system as the most powerful console of the upcoming generation.
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bushisms.txt posted:Sorry, but there is a whole 150+ page thread in NeoGaf with actual chipset and die blown up, and they are still trying to figure out what the Wii U does. So you can't source your claim, but here is a small talk about the hardware specs for you so you can make your own conclusion Wii U: PowerPC 1.24 CPU, 2GB of DDR3 RAM, GPU "Latte" clocked at 550 Mhz for a theoretical peak of 352 GFLOPS. Here is what we know about the XB1: An x86 APU based on Jaguar architecture with 8GB of DDR3 Ram for a theoretical peak of 1.23 TFLOPS. Here is what we know about the PS4: An x86 APU based on Jaguar architecture with 8GB of GDDR5 Ram for a theretical peak of 1.84 TFLOPS In short: CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Bullshit.
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bushisms.txt posted:This is wrong, and is another example of FUD spread by the media.
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Kurtofan posted:Those two aren't exclusive. What I meant was the wii u is closer to current gen systems than it is to next gen consoles. Yea the wii u is much faster than the ps3 and xbox360, but the gap between those two is smaller than wii u vs ps4/xbone. bushism.txt said the wii u was closer to the xbone, so I was trying to get a source on that.
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CapnAndy posted:Hahahahaha aaaaaaaand... scene http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513471 Oh, this is the second thread, and they have links to the first in the OP. How about you read this. You too Zomodok. It doesnt even get good til page 100 or so. People really don't know how powerful the Wii U is. The WiiU's custom GPU is the secret sauce.
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bushisms.txt posted:Have you not talked to a teenager in the last 5 years? Teenagers have always been disconnected like that long before mobile gaming and smartphones came along. I know I was and I didn't need a cell phone to do it.
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bushisms.txt posted:The WiiU's custom GPU is the secret sauce. Even if the custom GPU is, in fact, some good secret sauce, it is only in comparison to consoles that came out almost a decade ago, at this point. Think about that before you keep citing NeoGaf, of all places.
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Justin Godscock posted:Teenagers have always been disconnected like that long before mobile gaming and smartphones came along. I know I was and I didn't need a cell phone to do it. How about adults? A ton of people have tablets today and doing other things while holding a conversation s becoming increasingly common. (Not that the Gamepad is the same thing, mind you.)
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fivegears4reverse posted:Even if the custom GPU is, in fact, some good secret sauce, it is only in comparison to consoles that came out almost a decade ago, at this point. Please actually read what I linked at least. I'm not saying the Wii U is some world beater, just simply it's not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Justin Godscock posted:Teenagers have always been disconnected like that long before mobile gaming and smartphones came along. I know I was and I didn't need a cell phone to do it. Do you have friends come over? How about a significant other? You don't do something with them while looking at your phone? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Do you want to make a bet Bushisms because I say that in 3 years that the problem that happened between PS3/360 and the Wii will arise once again between PS4/XB1 and the WiiU and I'm willing to throw down like $100 to a charity if I'm wrong
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Zomodok posted:Do you want to make a bet Bushisms because I say that in 3 years that the problem that happened between PS3/360 and the Wii will arise once again between PS4/XB1 and the WiiU I know the ram is a problem in a few years. Nintendo in their infinite wisdom, deemed that not necessary for some reason. But Nintendo isn't looking for ports. When they look for ports, they get poo poo like Arkham Origins only developing half the game, because reasons. They made their bed the gamepad and they were probably hoping devs would make something new and different. Like how Ubisoft is taking the second screen concept and making games not for Nintendo. I'd make a bet that in 4 years, the ram will be used for nothing but better graphics, and while that is fine, it's not why I play a console game. I play console games, because I can't play them on PC.
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Guys he's unironically using "FUD" and talking about a vast media conspiracy against his console of choice like it's self-evident fact. Just walk away.
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CapnAndy posted:Guys he's unironically using "FUD" and talking about a vast media conspiracy against his console of choice like it's self-evident fact. Just walk away. Andy go watch the e3 stuff from gametrailers. You have Geoff Keighly looking like Tobias Funke begging Mattrick to tell him his vision for DRM, and then ripping Reggie a new one over sales. When Mega64 showed up during the Nintendo hour, they told them to pick their allegiance between Sony and MSFT and cut off any talk about Nintendo. It's not a conspiracy. Go read a Pikmin 3 review or hell read this: http://www.nowgamer.com/features/2015689/how_pikmin_3_proves_the_wii_u_was_a_mistake.html They rip Nintendo for making a great game, but not the greatest game by not forcing more feature down our throats.
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Zomodok posted:Do you want to make a bet Bushisms because I say that in 3 years that the problem that happened between PS3/360 and the Wii will arise once again between PS4/XB1 and the WiiU and I'm willing to throw down like $100 to a charity if I'm wrong poo poo, that is an easy bet. I'd practically feel confident that the Wii U won't sell as much as the Dreamcast worldwide.
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Yeah, not that Nintendo isn't deserving of any criticism, but games "journalism" for the most part is pretty shitastic. Watching coverage of E3 this year was extremely indicative of this like Bushisms pointed out.
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To be fair, what I would argue is that Nintendo doesn't deserve less criticism but that other companies deserve more. I don't really think anyone would be benefited by the soft hand.
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Crowbear posted:Man this thread got really aggressive while I was asleep I'm sorry for not being used to sales numbers, I see all this and all I know is that it's supposed to mean they are doing badly, even though, could anyone who knows about this subject explain to me: How much was expected to be sold? how much did previous nintendo (or other successful consoles) sell in their first year? Are sales numbers growing or decreasing?
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wiregrind posted:I'm sorry for not being used to sales numbers, I see all this and all I know is that it's supposed to mean they are doing badly, even though, could anyone who knows about this subject explain to me: How much was expected to be sold? how much did previous nintendo (or other successful consoles) sell in their first year? Are sales numbers growing or decreasing? Sir John Feelgood fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jul 31, 2013 |
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I thought Geoff Keighley was being really sarcastic with Mattrick in their interview  I guess it's easy to blame Pope Dewritos for everything when Nintendo couldn't be bothered to hold a presser this year. Brand awareness? What the hell is that?
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Jul 31, 2013 21:00
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Jesus. With a few more AAA games and a price cut, this system will do just-fine, NGC-level sales. (This thread is pretty hilarious btw.)
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Bovineicide posted:I thought Geoff Keighley was being really sarcastic with Mattrick in their interview Dude he leaned over and touched his knee while saying, "We just don't understand your vision." Then talked poo poo to Reggie about how bad sales were, then sucked up to Miyamato, then went and talked about how great Nintendo games are but Nintendo has no games and how they should go to iOS so Jason Rubin's kid will know who Mario is.
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Before the E3 conference Keighley was doing the same poo poo with Jack Tritton and the PS4. Though a lot of the 'gaming press' were pissed that Nintendo cancelled their press conference but Keighley has always been a loving moron period. But that doesn't mean that the media is out to hurt poor little old Nintendo
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JesusLovesRonwell posted:Jesus. With a few more AAA games and a price cut, this system will do just-fine, NGC-level sales.
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