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i'm sad, since i have the GG version of CK2 and went and pre-ordered the Steam version of EU4 months ago since i read it was gonna be Steamworks and decided i may as well skip the middleman. I suppose that means no save conventer for me?
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If there are advisors to reduce tech cost, and if teching up is a one-time click, is it going to make sense to switch to a tech-reducing advisor just before teching up and then quickly switch back to a more useful advisor? I hope there's a reason why this won't work.
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Aug 2, 2013 17:31
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Uhm, Paradox, how am I supposed to be immersed in the manual without including a lot of history fluff all over the place? I want to feel like the Sun King when I'm reading up on how the game works, not just some dude that can't wait to get the actual game. This manual is readable so it's automatically worse than the Glorious To be fair, if the manual was written by a random forum user like some others, there's going to be plenty of downright wrong information 
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Aug 2, 2013 17:32
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A Buttery Pastry posted:An easy way to flesh them out to some degree would be to just make culture group/region ideas first, just to make it so there are no completely generic states left. Bulgar Supremacy -100% Attrition
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Aug 2, 2013 17:34
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fuf posted:If there are advisors to reduce tech cost, and if teching up is a one-time click, is it going to make sense to switch to a tech-reducing advisor just before teching up and then quickly switch back to a more useful advisor? I think they mentioned that advisors cost somewhere around 100 gold to hire. So yeah, that's a reason it wouldn't work.
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Aug 2, 2013 17:37
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Zeron posted:I think they mentioned that advisors cost somewhere around 100 gold to hire. So yeah, that's a reason it wouldn't work. Ok good, that's a good enough reason.
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Aug 2, 2013 17:46
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Beamed posted:This manual is readable so it's automatically worse than the Glorious fuf posted:Ok good, that's a good enough reason.
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Aug 2, 2013 17:58
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Ugh I wish I had the time to do a full CK2 play through. It seems criminal to not have my first EU4 game be from Crusader Kings, but not owning EU4 from the get-go seems equally criminal. First world problems!
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Aug 2, 2013 18:06
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ghengilhar posted:One thing I'd like them to look at is the spiraling cost for colonies after you go over your upkeep limit it just seems WAY too high from Quill's video. Johan popped up in this thread a few days ago to say that they've already done that. Quill's playing an old version. Alchenar posted:'Increases X by Y' is one of the most frustrating things to see in a Paradox game because all it really tells me is that I'm getting 'more' of 'a good thing hopefully'. Vicky 2 is the worst for it, HOI3 is similarly bad but it doesn't matter so much because gently caress-it-research-everything, CK2 is much better for sticking to discrete bonuses, but even then I'm still not exactly sure what 'increase noble opinion by 0.50' actually makes happen maths wise. Yeah. It seems like a problem that'd be actually pretty easy to fix (by showing your current +/-% and overall value for whatever stat, in addition to the bonus/penalty given by the decision/tech/whatever), but, well, paradox UI. Noble Opinion is the simplest thing, though - it's literally a flat bonus to the opinions of people in the appropriate class (noble, town, church) towards you. If you mouseover the 'opinion' of people in the appropriate group (for nobles, that's feudal lords & kin), you can see a small bonus "from tech". (Fractional values probably don't do anything until they add up to integers, admittedly.)
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Aug 2, 2013 18:07
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ZachRyker posted:i'm sad, since i have the GG version of CK2 and went and pre-ordered the Steam version of EU4 months ago since i read it was gonna be Steamworks and decided i may as well skip the middleman. I suppose that means no save conventer for me? No, by pre-ordering EUIV you get a free copy of CK2 on steam. Since GG and the steam versions of CK2 use the same save game folder, you can just play on the GG version until you have a save game that you want converted and then just load it up on the steam version and convert it (You might have to load up as a Christian nation to convert it though). I might be wrong but I think this should work.
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Aug 2, 2013 18:11
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UI Dev Diary posted:AI does not have any attrition on the sea, just like in Europa Universalis III. Still couldn't figure this one out eh? Disappointing, albeit pretty minor. Does anyone know if they've mentioned the AI knowing exactly where your ships are at all times? It was both really weird when you noticed, and also made it incredibly easy to bait the AI once you did.
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Aug 2, 2013 18:45
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PittTheElder posted:Still couldn't figure this one out eh? Disappointing, albeit pretty minor. It also made it incredibly frustrating to do anything with a navy if yours was smaller as the AI would immediately know you just put some cogs out to sea and would sail across the Mediterranean to crush your cogs moving a few tiles in your own territory it can't possibly see.
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Aug 2, 2013 18:48
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Ugh I wish I had the time to do a full CK2 play through. It seems criminal to not have my first EU4 game be from Crusader Kings, but not owning EU4 from the get-go seems equally criminal. First world problems! There is a compromise candidate - the CK2 1337 bookmark. Currently doing a MP playthrough from that date for the purpose of exporting. The aztecs appeared and ruined my day so I've managed to end up as them - and people are finding the events implying I have half of the America's and are locked in a death battle with the Inca's very amusing. Hope the converter is true to the implications about the Aztecs and Inca's. In other news, CK2 just appeared in my steam inventory, as I already owned the game - and the steam page has been updated. I assume the potential demo will be steam based too?
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Aug 2, 2013 19:12
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So, I was browsing the EUIV wiki, and stumbled upon this National Idea for Aragon Protect the Little Folk: Morale of Armies +0.25:
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Aug 2, 2013 19:28
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Playin' one last game of EU3 before the 13th. I'm gonna miss you, Napoleon's ridiculously long left leg.
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Aug 2, 2013 19:36
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PrinceRandom posted:So, I was browsing the EUIV wiki, and stumbled upon this National Idea for Aragon Not as good as the mission to capture Gonder.
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Aug 2, 2013 19:48
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Beamed posted:Not as good as the mission to capture Gonder. And defeat Saruhan (although that one comes up less often).
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Aug 2, 2013 19:54
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I got my EUIV preorder bonus of CK2, so if anyone wants it the first person to friend me on Steam and message me gets it. edit: claimed Sky Shadowing fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Aug 2, 2013 |
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Aug 2, 2013 20:03
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PrinceRandom posted:So, I was browsing the EUIV wiki, and stumbled upon this National Idea for Aragon Oh God, the Aragorn puns continue. You know what I've read their national ideas a couple of times now and I never noticed that. I wonder if they'll get a mission to become "King of Gondar" again
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Aug 2, 2013 20:05
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ghengilhar posted:Oh God, the Aragorn puns continue. You know what I've read their national ideas a couple of times now and I never noticed that. I wonder if they'll get a mission to become "King of Gondar" again It should be "King of Goondor" instead.
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Aug 2, 2013 20:51
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According to the manual, coring takes 3 years. I'm not sure what to think about that.
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Aug 2, 2013 20:57
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Dj Vulvio posted:According to the manual, coring takes 3 years. I'm not sure what to think about that. Going by the comparison summary, it takes points, so I'd assume they mean 3 years worth of Monarch Power (which sounds like a shitload) or 3 years before you can even try.
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Aug 2, 2013 20:59
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ArchangeI posted:Going by the comparison summary, it takes points, so I'd assume they mean 3 years worth of Monarch Power (which sounds like a shitload) or 3 years before you can even try. In Quill18's playthrough I'm pretty sure he was coring places he just conquered and it didn't seem all that expensive but I don't think it took three years to do; I might be wrong but I think there were things that lowered how long it took to core such as claims on the province and more neighboring cores. E:VVVV Ah, my mistake, seems like there are modifiers that actually sale up the time, not down .
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Aug 2, 2013 21:04
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^^^^ You are right, I forgot about claims, they make it both faster and cheaper IIRC! It takes 3 years plus 5% longer for every cored province you already have and then you pay the admin cost when it finishes, I think. I don't believe the cost scales with country size but eventually cores are going to start to take a long time to create. RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Aug 2, 2013 |
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Aug 2, 2013 21:04
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What would be a better use of my time while I wait for EUIV: playing my first game of CK2 (it's never clicked for me, but I think I might be able to wade through it by consulting Kersch's LP) or playing my last game of EU3+? I know I'll never play EU3 if I don't get to it now, but an alternate history start for EUIV with possible Aztec invaders just sounds too good to be true. 
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Aug 2, 2013 21:05
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I honestly haven't been able to play EU3 since about when SoI came out, I played the hell out of EU3+ but the game just feels so clunky and old compared to CK2. I'm really really looking forward to EU4 though mostly for the AI improvements, the thought that I might actually get my rear end kicked by the AI is kind of amazing.
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Aug 2, 2013 21:10
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Start a CK2 game then continue it in EU4, that's my current plan!
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Aug 2, 2013 21:14
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Vodos posted:EU4 manual (92 pages): http://cdn2.steampowered.com/Manuals/236850/EuropaUniversalisIV_Manual.pdf Interesting. Assuming that the manual is up to date, then some of the national ideas appear to have been toned down since the build Quill18 was playing. Diplomacy's 33% reduction in core creation cost is listed instead as a 33% increase in core creation speed, and Aristocracy's 33% reduction in cavalry cost has been dropped from 33% to 25%.
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Aug 2, 2013 21:24
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Varam posted:Interesting. Assuming that the manual is up to date, then some of the national ideas appear to have been toned down since the build Quill18 was playing. Diplomacy's 33% reduction in core creation cost is listed instead as a 33% increase in core creation speed, and Aristocracy's 33% reduction in cavalry cost has been dropped from 33% to 25%. I suspect that once a few hundred thousand people get a hold of the game and start hammering on it looking for exploits we'll see lots of NI changes over time/patches.
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Aug 2, 2013 22:14
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On Victoria II, I was hovering around the party mapmode and noticed that Manchuria's Anarco-Liberal party was called "An Unvery Likely Candidate". Oh Paradox.
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Aug 2, 2013 22:16
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Don't condemn me as a drat dirty cheater because I want my first EU4 game to be absolutely ridiculous, but I started a new CK2 game a while ago after I pre-ordered and cheated in tons of money, prestige, piety and ruler stats. Well...  A culturally Welsh Catholic middle-east seems like a good place to start EU4 Any idea if the CK2->EU4 converter will have an advanced Aztec/Inca even if the imported save is pre-invasion?
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Aug 2, 2013 22:58
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Waffles Inc. posted:Don't condemn me as a drat dirty cheater because I want my first EU4 game to be absolutely ridiculous, but I started a new CK2 game a while ago after I pre-ordered and cheated in tons of money, prestige, piety and ruler stats. I think what you can do is just check the DLC before you load our save game and immediately export it, SI will be 'active' and you'll get the special SI stuff in EUIV.
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Aug 2, 2013 23:04
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Waffles Inc. posted:Any idea if the CK2->EU4 converter will have an advanced Aztec/Inca even if the imported save is pre-invasion? I believe the invasion has to of fired off to set the invasion flag, at the very least. or that ^^ too.
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Aug 2, 2013 23:05
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Ugh I have no idea how to read and responsed incorrectly to a post :/
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Aug 2, 2013 23:05
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unwantedplatypus posted:Bulgar Supremacy -100% Attrition I seriously can't wait for the Srbja NI mod. PrinceRandom posted:So, I was browsing the EUIV wiki, and stumbled upon this National Idea for Aragon Actually, how does the CK2 preorder thing work? Does it give me a key or a copy of it in my inventory? It isn't like the Deep Silver Humble Bundle where you have to install it as a group and can't give it away, is it?
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Aug 2, 2013 23:16
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The free copy of CK2+ is a tradeable non-marketable copy of the game in your Steam inventory.
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Aug 2, 2013 23:24
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unwantedplatypus posted:Bulgar Supremacy -100% Attrition
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Aug 2, 2013 23:34
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I wonder if they're going to, since they're DLCing this, if they're gonna have a DLC that includes the dynamic renaming of colonial provinces... That was always my favorite part of EU3+.
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So I haven't played ckII for a while, I don't know if it's the latest patches or the Old Gods I just bought but there's a few concepts I'm having a hard time with and the wiki is kinda lovely at explaining. -Research seems different, there's like a button that lets me "invest" in the research but they're all grayed out despite having tons of money. Is this like in eu3 or is there a new ruler-based research point ability I'm not figuring out? -I'm playing a norse dude and my laws are poo poo and I'm stuck with the worst inheritance system. I believe I need to become reformed to advance beyond this, any tips for doing this asap? -Someone was telling me navies are different or updated in some way, is this true? They seem more or less the same to me but I haven't really gotten too into my game yet. -Any general tips for playing a norse country? I'm playing who ever starts the old-gods game controlling where Copenhagen is today and my vassals control what is today the southern tip of Sweden. I have a potential goal of making I think the Kingdom of Denmark and I'm only at 2/5 of my province limit so would it be worth it to try to go to war with my own vassal to take his holdings for personal use? Anything I should know about city vs castle vs temple holdings for playing norse or is it the same as euro/christian? -Is there any crazy way I could become king of Denmark and then become a norse merchant republic? Is there any way in the game to actually transition to that or would I need to form denmark then release a city and give the major a duke level title to create the republic.. then play as that and re-conquer denmark for my self?
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Baronjutter posted:-Is there any crazy way I could become king of Denmark and then become a norse merchant republic? Is there any way in the game to actually transition to that or would I need to form denmark then release a city and give the major a duke level title to create the republic.. then play as that and re-conquer denmark for my self? You'd need to do that. I recommend it, though. Norse trade republics are crazy fun.
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