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Geokinesis posted:Use it as a teaching point in the LP, as often you might end up having prepared for something and it turns out to amount to nothing.
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Honestly, "and sometimes, gently caress You" really is a lesson anyone playing CK2 should learn. But it's up to you!
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Aug 6, 2013 15:45
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I wish there was a "rub his nose in it" button I could press to tell whoever I owned in a war that he sucks and should kill himself. Twice the Caliph has declared war on me, twice I pulverized his armies. Before accepting his defeat I continue to hunt down his last armies for prestige, piety and military techpoints. I then siege up a juicy duchy to drain it of manpower since you can have your levies raised indefinitely when you are defending. On the very same day that the war ends I declare my own holy war against him for the target I just sieged during his war, makes for a super-quick victory. The Caliph then suffered a decadence invasion which he lost so fast I barely had time to notice.
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Aug 6, 2013 15:50
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CapnAndy posted:This is worse than that, it would seriously be two extremely chaotic updates that would end up teaching nothing except "and sometimes, gently caress You". I'm gonna backtrack. It's already really obvious you have no clue how to play the game on a level that offers wisdom to new players, so it probably wouldn't matter. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 6, 2013 15:54
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I just had an idea for an excellent CK2->EU4 game. Start in 1204, play as the Latin Empire and try to make it into a great power in EU4.
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Rurik posted:I just had an idea for an excellent CK2->EU4 game. Start in 1204, play as the Latin Empire and try to make it into a great power in EU4. Ooh, that's a good one. I've got tons of half cooked games that I start and play for 100 years, form the empire or whatever my initial goal was, get bored and then move on to the next one. I'm just gonna take a few of my favourites through observer mode and see how it turns out. Starting relatively late sounds like a good way to avoid that problem if you don't want to just take the save from any old start date.
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Aug 6, 2013 16:10
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CapnAndy posted:This is worse than that, it would seriously be two extremely chaotic updates that would end up teaching nothing except "and sometimes, gently caress You". I'm gonna backtrack. I would try to preserve and keep going. The game really isn't that fun at all when it is "gamed" and since your are playing until the 1400s whatever setback you have now will be inconsequential and forgotten by then. In my game as a republic one of my uncles (I suspect) is stabbing his way into my mansion and has currently killed off three of my sons - frustrating for sure, but when I finally do kill him my satisfaction will be a lot greater than if I just reloaded and forgot all about it. Anyways, ultimately ck2 is a videogame and you should do what is fun for you - just remember that failing is part of the game, and having a bad run of things typically won't give you a game over.
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Aug 6, 2013 16:38
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TjyvTompa posted:I wish there was a "rub his nose in it" button I could press to tell whoever I owned in a war that he sucks and should kill himself.
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Aug 6, 2013 16:40
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Do alliances work the same way for prepared invasions? I'm playing as Fairhair and have +100 rep with each of Lothaire's allies (who really don't like him) and he's still able to call them to war after a while despite the fact that they like me better.
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Aug 6, 2013 17:19
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I promised my dying mother that I would avenge her family's honor and punish the usurper calling himself King of the Scots. It seems he wasn't well liked by his vassals either and when they raised the flag of rebellion I pressed my claim on the crown. The armies of Scandinavia descended on Scotland and quickly defeated the King's troops as well as those of his other vassals. After a series of sieges on his few personal holdings the usurper surrendered and gave the crown to me. The remaining rebellions were quickly dealt with as their leaders learned that the Emperor had come to their lands. Honoring the final promise I made to my mother, I had my younger brother swear fealty to me and I named him the new King. Long live Ragnar Kytling, King of the Scots and Prince of Scandinavia! He promptly lost the title when the vassals rebelled again.
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Aug 6, 2013 17:30
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 The fourth rebellion from Brittany alone... This came a couple of months after 16k rebel soldiers turned up in Mauretania and a month before rebels in Frisia pulled 11k soldiers out of their rear end. It's not even 1066 yet and these rebellions are already annoying me like a swarm of gnats.
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Aug 6, 2013 18:00
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How do I even plan an invasion? I've never seen the button not grayed out and it's always because both me and the target don't have between 4 and 20 holdings or what ever the number is.
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Aug 6, 2013 18:02
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kingturnip posted:
In my first game as Ostlandet -> Norway -> Scandinavia, I had 11 rebellions from Gelre. I didn't even want any land on the continent aside from Denmark, it was a vassal that decided to invade the Netherlands.
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Aug 6, 2013 18:03
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Can anyone give me a short brief of what I should be aware of in CK2+? I just started my first game with it and I appreciate the new options but some changes I can't see until its too late. For example I married one if my council members who had the get married ambition and I was counting on the 'helped fulfill ambition' relation bonus but that modifier appears to be removed.
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Aug 6, 2013 18:32
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When I was playing as West Francia, I invaded Viking Bretangaland but the petty king was a coward that converted to escape my wrath. A month later, the Irish, Welsh and Bretons he subjugated overthrew him in three separate rebellions. I switched tags to play as King Paol, the Liberator of Brittany, and haven't looked back since. And yeah, Paol was King of Brittany, not a Duke, since he reconquered the entire de jure territory of Brittany.
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So I recently played a game as the Viking in Britanny, I conquered Britanny quite quickly and different parts of England, then while trying to convert the catholics I noticed that my 21 learning seer only had 1.5 % chance each year of conversion is this becuase the Norse faith isn't reformed?
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Lord Tywin posted:So I recently played a game as the Viking in Britanny, I conquered Britanny quite quickly and different parts of England, then while trying to convert the catholics I noticed that my 21 learning seer only had 1.5 % chance each year of conversion is this becuase the Norse faith isn't reformed? Partially. I believe the moral authority of the two religions has an effect as well. In my Norse game when I was approaching 100% authority and the Catholics were in real trouble conversion was very fast even before reforming and with a mediocre seer. marktheando fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Aug 6, 2013 |
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Aug 6, 2013 19:24
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marktheando posted:Partially. I believe the moral authority of the two religions has an effect as well. In my Norse game when I was approaching 100% authority and the Catholics were in real trouble conversion was very fast even before reforming and with a mediocre seer. So what you are saying is that if I as Norse go ahead and capture Catholic holy sites they are pretty much hosed?
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Aug 6, 2013 19:49
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Unreformed norse will never get above a 2% conversion rate for counties with an organised religion present. It's one of the major reasons to try and reform as fast as possible. You can still convert other pagan counties just fine, though. Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Aug 6, 2013 |
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FileNotFound posted:So what you are saying is that if I as Norse go ahead and capture Catholic holy sites they are pretty much hosed? I wouldn't go that far, but it's always a good move to deprive rival religions of their holy sites.
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Yeah once you start taking other religions' holy sites they collapse into heresy and convert pretty fast. I took all of Islam's sites as Byzantium except for the one that castille ate and within 50 years Islam was extinct, with the middle east being a Hodgepodge of reformed Tengri, Orthodoxy, and Catholicism. The speed of the collapse when they hit 0 MA was really impressive.
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Aug 6, 2013 19:58
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Broken Cog posted:Unreformed norse will never get above a 2% conversion rate for counties with an organised religion present. It's one of the major reasons to try and reform as fast as possible. Ah right I must have misremembered, thinking of converting other pagans pre-reformation, rather than catholics. Still either way, taking those holy sites is always good.
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Omnicarus posted:Yeah once you start taking other religions' holy sites they collapse into heresy and convert pretty fast. I took all of Islam's sites as Byzantium except for the one that castille ate and within 50 years Islam was extinct, with the middle east being a Hodgepodge of reformed Tengri, Orthodoxy, and Catholicism. The speed of the collapse when they hit 0 MA was really impressive. That is awesome. I really need to do this. My Norse empire has been stagnating against a Europe that is just super France in the west, super HRE in the middle and mega Prussia in the east. Any Norse Holy War gets joined by those 3 and their 300k+ troops even if all I am doing is trying to gobble up what's left of Ireland.
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:Isn't this basically the point of the Byzantine blinding mechanic? To blind/castrate them you have to have them in prison first. But I found another way, play as the holder of Andalusia in the 867 start, you know...the Umayyd dynasty 
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How do those AI empires get so drat big and STAY so drat big anyways? Do they get bonuses for being dejure empires? I find that if I have more vassals than I have personal holdings they eventually all rebel and everything falls apart, but France seems fine holding like half the bloody map. Also I'm currently playing the most serene republic of Denmark. I started off as Jylland and eventually took the whole kingdom of Denmark. Where things get confusing for me is that before I conquered the kingdom of denmark they raised their crown authority from none to low. Now that I AM the kingdom of denmark as a republic I have access to their crown authority tab thing, but it's locked at low because a republic can't change their crown authority. Are my vassals even being effected by this crown authority or is it just a hold over from when the kingdom was feudal and not a republic? As a republic is there anything I can do to increase my power or authority over my vassals? Also I have a lot of angry vassals due to "wrong government type" and I don't understand. Do fuedal castle-holding vassals not like being in a republic? How do I fix it? I've found if I conquer a feudal county and build a city the city becomes the capital and then when I give that county to a son everything is a-ok. I also have almost everyone having a -20 relationship with me for "not on council". What council?? Why is everyone on a secret council except me?!? What does it even mean?
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Man, I'm a little bit sad. Looks like the only way for a hot, rich, and sensitive Islamic Caliphate like me to have a chance with the Queen of the Byzantine Empire is for me to attack, imprison, and then force marriage her. I just wish we had an old time e-harmony way for her to realize I like like her.
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Yeah from what I can tell, the religion's moral authority is a big factor. As Lithuania by the time I was ready to reform the Romuva faith I was converting things like crazy anyway because the moral authority was so high from all the wars I was winning.
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Baronjutter posted:Also I have a lot of angry vassals due to "wrong government type" and I don't understand. Do fuedal castle-holding vassals not like being in a republic? How do I fix it? I've found if I conquer a feudal county and build a city the city becomes the capital and then when I give that county to a son everything is a-ok. You can flip what type of holding is a province's capital by taking the county title and granting it to one of the local baronies. If a character owns multiple holdings of different types in a province, they'll always make their natural type the capital. This is most easily done when you first conquer a province off some foreign realm, and get all the holdings dumped in your lap. quote:I also have almost everyone having a -20 relationship with me for "not on council". What council?? Why is everyone on a secret council except me?!? What does it even mean? The council is question is your advisers, in the council tab. The people with that opinion penalty are mad that they don't have a spot at the big meeting table, and will drop the penalty if you appoint them to one of those offices.
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Knuc If U Buck posted:Ooh, that's a good one. Yea, I started a game from the 1337 start date as the Italian duke of Athens under the Kingdom of Aragon. I've finished it now, as Queen or Trinacria and Greece and it looks like a game ripe for conversion. A Mega-Islamic empire starting to crumble under revolt and Timurid invasion, a collapsed france that has been absorbed by the HRE, an Islamic Russia, and the Catholic Anglo-Nahua Aztec empire, with its british terrtories under the rule of the locals and the Spanish ones under the direct control of Nahua Catholics.  
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A_Raving_Loon posted:Correct. Nobles, Priests, and Mayors all prefer to be ruled by their own leadertype.
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Rapdawg posted:Man, I'm a little bit sad. Looks like the only way for a hot, rich, and sensitive Islamic Caliphate like me to have a chance with the Queen of the Byzantine Empire is for me to attack, imprison, and then force marriage her. I just wish we had an old time e-harmony way for her to realize I like like her. That's about what I did in my last Viking game. Carried off the third in line to the Byzantine throne, married her then started stabbing. I let her heir be tutored by a gregarious Greek women so now there is my dynasty has a Greek orthodox branch. I'm basically the super Varangian guard helping in restoring Rome. Then I'll burn it down again.
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Strudel Man posted:Priests don't mind being ruled by nobles. I don't recall if the same is true the other way around, though. Yeah, I've never tried turning all my vassals into Bishops (with Free Investiture), but I've heard it's kinda exploity/too good.
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Fintilgin posted:Yeah, I've never tried turning all my vassals into Bishops (with Free Investiture), but I've heard it's kinda exploity/too good.
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genericnick posted:That's about what I did in my last Viking game. Carried off the third in line to the Byzantine throne, married her then started stabbing. I let her heir be tutored by a gregarious Greek women so now there is my dynasty has a Greek orthodox branch. I'm basically the super Varangian guard helping in restoring Rome. Then I'll burn it down again. Yeah, I may do that but its really hard to get anyone to marry me. Its like baby, I'll make you my first wife I promise, but the gurl don't be hearing it.
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[quote="Rapdawg" post=""41816272"] Its like baby, I'll make you my first wife I promise, but the gurl don't be hearing it. [/quote] It's prolly cause they see you raidin, and they hatin, raisin levies tryin catch you rowin' dirty.
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Will the EU4 converter be available after the game comes out, or is it only for people who pre-order?
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Can you name a single pre-order bonus in the history of man that wasn't made available for monies later?
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scamtank posted:Can you name a single pre-order bonus in the history of man that wasn't made available for monies later? ME2 black hole gun
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Sam. posted:Will the EU4 converter be available after the game comes out, or is it only for people who pre-order? Everything in all the preorder bonuses will be available on launch day at various prices. I think the converter is 
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Omnicarus posted:ME2 black hole gun
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