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Tequila Ranger posted:My entire Tyranid army Not soon enough, not soon enough
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The Hunter's gonna be useless if it doesn't have Interceptor, which I doubt it will. It'll be like the Hydra. Even if it does have Interceptor, if it's too pricey for a few S7 shots it won't really be worth it either. Heavy Support is really crowded. The average "Marines in Rhinos" list doesn't seem to be doing great on a competitive level lately, and I think it's a structural problem. My speculation is that the more "gimmicky" lists like bikers or perhaps a special character that makes a good unit into a Troops choice will have the greatest potential. krushgroove posted:What's the thinking on how codexes like CSM (which I have) and DA might be updated with equivalent units? Is there a history of just-released codexes getting updated in any way when newer allied codexes come out 6 or 8 months later? Or does that just not happen, the same way with CSM drop pods, land raiders and whirlwinds? Haha, man, it ain't gonna happen. That's why old school DA players are constantly pessimistic; they come out before Codex Marines so anything C:SM gets, they feel like DA should have gotten. Which is reasonable, but unrealistic. e: Oh, Chaos Space Marines? Even less of a chance. They're using old tech from the heresy era, and GW is also going to continue to diverge them from loyalist Marines even more in the future, ie, Dinobots. Phyresis fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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Aug 7, 2013 12:21
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It's not reasonable at all, DA shouldn't even have their own book. On the rumours, Centurions sound like a terrible concept but plastic Sternguard should be awesome. e: I've never really understood why CSM don't get Marine stuff that was around during the Heresy, like Whirlwinds etc.
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Aug 7, 2013 12:25
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krushgroove posted:Thanks! Yeah I definitely like the 'WHOA! Surprise!' effect as well! I've got ideas for secret missions for each side, exploding ruins and whatnot, abandoned vehicles that can be taken over, lava flows that happen if something triggers them, and similar things that would work best with a GM. I do like to write them out so that a GM isn't needed, though, like what I did for a big year-ending game my group did last year: https://hammertime40k.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/hammerfest-suggestions-for-crazy-random-rules/ this just let us all play on the same field together. But a GM'd game has a different flavor for sure, so I look forward to some crazy shenanigans tonight Holy poo poo. That random-warp one would be awesome by itself in a Zone Mortalis game (or even a normal game), where the board represents a ship going through the warp or something. I'm definitely writing that one down for later.
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Aug 7, 2013 12:39
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Lungboy posted:e: I've never really understood why CSM don't get Marine stuff that was around during the Heresy, like Whirlwinds etc. Tell me about it  ijyt posted:Holy poo poo. That random-warp one would be awesome by itself in a Zone Mortalis game (or even a normal game), where the board represents a ship going through the warp or something. I'm definitely writing that one down for later. Ha, glad you like that stuff  one of the killer moments of that very long game was when my own Dark Eldar appeared, shot up all my Terminators that had just teleported in, killed my Warlord Typhus, then buggered off again. That really screwed me! At least he came back in later when we rolled a 1 on that chart!
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Aug 7, 2013 12:53
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krushgroove posted:What's the thinking on how codexes like CSM (which I have) and DA might be updated with equivalent units? Is there a history of just-released codexes getting updated in any way when newer allied codexes come out 6 or 8 months later? Or does that just not happen, the same way with CSM drop pods, land raiders and whirlwinds? With a few minor exceptions (storm raven) It doesn't happen.
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Aug 7, 2013 13:22
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Ugh, one of my Fire Warriors disappeared from his base, does anyone have suggestions on how to replace him? I was considering getting a Fireblade but for that price I might as well get another box of Fire Warriors.
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Aug 7, 2013 13:36
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Finished some Tau gubbins: 
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Aug 7, 2013 13:42
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That limp wrist makes for a crisp paint job.
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Aug 7, 2013 13:43
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Two Feet From Bread posted:I just did a rough estimate of all my Nids: Man I thought I had a lot of bugs. Guess the upside of not playing during 4E means not wasting a fortune on Warriors and Fexes. My total comes to around 7,000pts, plus the Hierophant and 2 Hierodules for another ~2000. Shockingly, nearly all of it is painted. Half of the 170 gaunts are just done in base colours, and the handful of stuff in the unfinished pile are mostly trash units that came from battleforces and ebay, like Warriors or a Pyrovore. No free deathleaper here...
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Aug 7, 2013 13:48
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I hope those rumours aren't all true. Why would C:SM get an updated tactical kit when the CSM one is so old and lovely?
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Aug 7, 2013 13:53
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Because they are the best selling unit in the best selling range?
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Aug 7, 2013 14:03
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I'm pretty sure the marine kit is older anyway, given that it was created in 1998 and then the upgrade sprue was updated in 2004.
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Aug 7, 2013 14:06
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Think there'll be bolters, pistols and CCW on tactical marines this time round? I always found that a ludicrously silly disconnect between fluff and rules. It'd make tac squadsa a really solid choice as well.
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Aug 7, 2013 14:15
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I don't see what's wrong with the kit as it is, aside from the occasional bastard of a mold line and that weird missile launcher shoulder pad (seriously, what the hell is that?).
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Aug 7, 2013 14:20
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They are rumoured to be getting an entirely new weapon option, so it makes sense to recut the sprues now and add it.
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Aug 7, 2013 14:28
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xtothez posted:Man I thought I had a lot of bugs. Guess the upside of not playing during 4E means not wasting a fortune on Warriors and Fexes. When I get back to the US, I'm going to put a serious dent in the pile. I'm hoping to do 1,000 to 2,000 points a month. Hoping... Edit: Plugging the great paint guess again. Two Feet From Bread posted:Guess about how many points are painted and win a free Death Leaper*! Two Feet From Bread fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Aug 8, 2013 |
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Aug 7, 2013 14:39
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Two Feet From Bread posted:When I get back to the US, I'm going to put a serious dent in the pile. I'm hoping to do 1,000 to 2,000 points a month. Hoping... I'll guess 5500 points.
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Aug 7, 2013 14:49
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Ghost Hand posted:Depends on your definition. From my perspective a lot of people had fun with it and I have seen some photo archives of AMAZING events planned around it. The problem is that GW making GBS threads on the results basically undermines the entire point of the campaign. I mean, that was the entire draw, that GW would actually recognize stuff that happened. It's not like it suddenly enabled players to do giant fuckoff narrative games; my friends and I had been planning our own campaigns and doing big set piece battles for ages. It's not like we needed GW to hold our hands through it. What the campaigns offered was a promise that if you did that stuff, GW would actually tip their hat and give you a nod. So when poo poo happens like, say, the Eldar players completely devastating the Chaos attack on the webway and the payoff was that we get one of our best and most popular special characters killed, it was a joke. Why did we bother? Basically, everything positive that came from it was nothing to do with GW - it was all from the players, and stuff we had done by ourselves for years. Every aspect that actually relied on GW - like tabulating results and determining outcomes - was screwed up in a way that detracted from the whole thing.
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Aug 7, 2013 14:58
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lenoon posted:Think there'll be bolters, pistols and CCW on tactical marines this time round? I always found that a ludicrously silly disconnect between fluff and rules. It'd make tac squadsa a really solid choice as well. Oh I hope so, the wails of the SW players on Dakka/Warseer will be hilarious. Also, it'll, you know, make tactical a much more interesting in a way that makes sense. But mostly the pissing off SW players thing :v
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Aug 7, 2013 15:06
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Going to hazard a guess that if there's a new Space Marine sprue it'll cut the number of models in a box down to 5. They'll be intricately detailed to the level of Dark Vengeance and the box will include a separate sprue of cool iconography/ weapons, similar to the Tau box, so they can jack the price up. The expensive models will be reflected in the codex, where the fiction will emphasise how super-human power-armoured 8 foot dudes really are.
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Aug 7, 2013 15:48
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Cruddace is rumoured to be the author.
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The Supreme Court posted:Going to hazard a guess that if there's a new Space Marine sprue it'll cut the number of models in a box down to 5. They'll be intricately detailed to the level of Dark Vengeance and the box will include a separate sprue of cool iconography/ weapons, similar to the Tau box, so they can jack the price up. The expensive models will be reflected in the codex, where the fiction will emphasise how super-human power-armoured 8 foot dudes really are. And also let DA players get pissed off again to boot.
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Aug 7, 2013 16:00
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Lungboy posted:e: I've never really understood why CSM don't get Marine stuff that was around during the Heresy, like Whirlwinds etc. 70% of the reason is because that's what they decided back in 2nd edition, where it was "Chaos don't have access to newer advancements such as infantry-size plasma cannons, speeders, or whirlwinds." Then they changed the fluff so that all that stuff was available and the tech was even better back in the heresy and none of it made any sense. Then new marine stuff comes out and, with the exception of the vindicator, it stays with space marines. Part of the problem of course is that there can be no advancement in the 40k universe; everything is ancient and around from the heresy, which makes no sense but hey The other 30% is so that Chaos marines won't just be space marines plus demons, i.e. they will actually be completely different armies.
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Aug 7, 2013 16:04
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It's even sillier when they devote a sizeable amount of the codex fluff and mini galleries to warbands that have split from the Imperium well after the Heresy era. poo poo, the Red Corsairs are one of the more famous ones, even having their own named character, and they didn't turn traitor until literally the most recent 100 years of the setting. But I guess they followed in Abaddon's footsteps by deciding not to throw any assault cannons or storm shields in the suitcase. 
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Aug 7, 2013 16:14
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Lungboy posted:Cruddace is rumoured to be the author. I love that that's actually his name. It makes him completely immune to Internet mockery.
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TheChirurgeon posted:70% of the reason is because that's what they decided back in 2nd edition, where it was "Chaos don't have access to newer advancements such as infantry-size plasma cannons, speeders, or whirlwinds." Then they changed the fluff so that all that stuff was available and the tech was even better back in the heresy and none of it made any sense. Then new marine stuff comes out and, with the exception of the vindicator, it stays with space marines. Part of the problem of course is that there can be no advancement in the 40k universe; everything is ancient and around from the heresy, which makes no sense but hey Technology does not advance, persay, but STC's are rediscovered from time to time. The Land Raider was named after the explorer something-something Land, who found the template which allowed it to be produced again. Little experimental things occur from time to time as well, whether it's jury rigging a new weapon system for an old tank or creating a new fangled dealybob.
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Cataphract posted:I love that that's actually his name. Counterpoint: Never has a name so accurately described their writing style.
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Post 9-11 User posted:Technology does not advance, persay, but STC's are rediscovered from time to time. The Land Raider was named after the explorer something-something Land, who found the template which allowed it to be produced again. Little experimental things occur from time to time as well, whether it's jury rigging a new weapon system for an old tank or creating a new fangled dealybob. Why yes, that is exactly how they wrote it after 2nd edition. Technology used to advance, i.e. the Reaper Autocannon was a precursor to the Assault Cannon (they developed the autocannon, then the reaper, then the assault cannon), and then suddenly that was no longer the case when they started explaining all new technology with the wording you just used, and now it doesn't make any sense. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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Aug 7, 2013 16:42
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I'm curious as to what everyone's experience is with travelling with an army. I'm headed to Gencon next week, and carrying-on is unfortunately not an option due to the size of my bag. I have a Battlefoam 720, which should keep everything nice and safe, but I'm worried about lost baggage or clumsy TSA handlers if I check it. I'm thinking alternatively about having it shipped to my hotel. Anyone have experience with this? How safe is checking your mini's?
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Fitret posted:I'm curious as to what everyone's experience is with travelling with an army. I'm headed to Gencon next week, and carrying-on is unfortunately not an option due to the size of my bag. I have a Battlefoam 720, which should keep everything nice and safe, but I'm worried about lost baggage or clumsy TSA handlers if I check it. I'm thinking alternatively about having it shipped to my hotel. You can buy a top load duffel bag that seals with metal clips from an army surplus or online, and put a bunch of towels and other luggage in it with your box and put a 2 dollar padlock through the clips to stop anyone but you from opening it. MrBims fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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Fitret posted:I'm curious as to what everyone's experience is with travelling with an army. I'm headed to Gencon next week, and carrying-on is unfortunately not an option due to the size of my bag. I have a Battlefoam 720, which should keep everything nice and safe, but I'm worried about lost baggage or clumsy TSA handlers if I check it. I'm thinking alternatively about having it shipped to my hotel. I wouldn't check the battlefoam bag on its own it will get tossed around and crushed to high heaven.
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Cataphract posted:I wouldn't check the battlefoam bag on its own it will get tossed around and crushed to high heaven. Yea, unless you can put it in a hard case, I would carry it. I always carry my minis when I fly. Two Feet From Bread fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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Aug 7, 2013 17:25
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Ted Theodore Logan posted:A question for all of you. Is there anything you have bought that you really wanted to have so that you could actually use on the table but never do because you just cannot fit it into your army or because it ended up just not being that good? I know I have. Mine are eldar harlequins and the stormtalon. Both I bought, put together the day I got them and have yet to use them in one game and I have had both for over a year. The harlequins are mostly because they cost so many points for the low point games I usually play and the stormtalon I do not use as the people in my FLGS hate fliers. People have them but they just do not use them/bring them to the store as they do not know how to travel with them. Also, the Stormtalon is actually a really good little airplane. For 115pts you can bring the Skyhammer Missiles, which make it a holy terror against light infantry and vehicles, and its 360 degree turret means it can shoot enemy airplanes in the butt. Interceptor guns will screw you up, but c'est la vie. Sykic posted:I don't see what's wrong with the kit as it is, aside from the occasional bastard of a mold line and that weird missile launcher shoulder pad (seriously, what the hell is that?). Lungboy posted:Cruddace is rumoured to be the author.
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Two Feet From Bread posted:Guess about how many points are painted and win a free Death Leaper*! I've posted this before, but this talk about models never getting used and tons of points of models and writing the best possible lists makes me want to bring it up again. My brother and I have about 4,000 points for each of our armies. This means much more than we could use in any of our standard lists (we usually play 1500pts) and a bunch of sub-par units that look cool. What we've done is write six 'themed lists' for each army. When we want to play a game, we can pick a themed list or both roll off on our list tables and play a random matchup. We try to have every one of our models in at least one list, so no models are ignored forever. Here's an example for my Catachan. Catachan Themed Army Table 1 - Horde: Big platoon, three Veteran squads, heavy and special weapon teams, a big Rough Rider blob. Every single infantry model I own, no non-transport vehicles. 2 - Armor: Five tanks, Sentinels, Valkyrie, Techpriest, Straken, minimal troops. As many vehicles as possible. 3 - Sneak: Every single unit has deep strike, infiltrate, outflank, stealth, or a combination. Last edition could start with just a Command Squad on the table. 4 - Cult: Has 1000pts of IG specializing in 'terrorist' flamers and explosives, and 500pts allied Death Cult Assassins playing as Genestealers. 5 - Fast: Deepstriking, Valkyrie, Rough Riders, mounted troops. Very mobile for an IG army. 6 - Shooty: Manticore, two Leman Russ, as many special/heavy weapons as possible. Then if we want to be more competitive, we have a 'standard' list written to win. But having the themed lists is fun and takes a little bit of the edge off winning or losing since you're not playing an optimized list. Plus it's fun to have wacky matchups (my Tyranid Horde versus his Ork Armored) and use models you really like but otherwise can't justify playing. For photo content here's relatively recent photos of all my armies. The Eldar have grown most since these were taken.   
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I guess 3400 pts on the Death Leaper extravaganza.
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AbusePuppy posted:That man can go to hell. I can live with lovely fluff, but both 'Nids and SoB got horrifically one-dimensional codices. Would that he never writes a 40K book again. Pierre and I have concluded that the SoB book is "Amazing, but dull."
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I guess 750 points. Nothing that large is even approaching 2k fully painted.
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So going to help a guy with his first 40k game today, but I play Tau/Eldar and am trying to find a list that wont just stomp him in his first game. I want to try out the Wraithknight today, but I usually run a Riptide, so I guess a WK and Riptide at 1500 is a bit dickish? Thinking of just doing a lot of infantry and trying out some characters like Darkstrider and an Etheral.
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MrBims posted:You can buy a top load duffel bag that seals with metal clips from an army surplus or online, and put a bunch of towels and other luggage in it with your box and put a 2 dollar padlock through the clips to stop anyone but you from opening it. This is an interesting suggestion... but then invalidate parts of the point of purchasing the bag. Cataphract posted:I wouldn't check the battlefoam bag on its own it will get tossed around and crushed to high heaven. You think that the BF case isn't hard enough to survive checking?
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