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That answers when, but why was the question.
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To be fair, if you have to beg for money on Kickstarter, you shouldn't be messing around with untested genetics.
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Kaizoku posted:That answers when, but why was the question. Me karnt reed.  I've been looking at their blog and Facebook page and everywhere else and as far as I can see they never made an announcement, they just introduced the new rule without comment. SquareDog posted:Question for you guys. I'm very likely going to do a kickstarter soon. The question is, Kickstarter or Indiegogo? Indiegogo looks much better on paper with the flexible funding and long donation windows, but it seems that indiegogo is perceived as "off band" and that kickstarter is more credible somehow. Any thoughts on this and why I should choose one over the other? Kickstarter definitely has a better profile in the public eye, getting a bunch more media exposure than IGG. People are more likely to have heard of KS and I guess that means they'll be initially less sceptical about a KS project than an IGG project. Also flexible funding is looked on with mistrust by a lot of people, simply because the project goal is usually the minimum needed to make the project viable and the suspicion is that a flexible funding project which doesn't meet its goal won't be completed and the money will just disappear into the project creator's pockets. Of course there's several situations where flexible funding is perfectly legit, if your projects is one of those and you explain why in the pitch it shouldn't be too much of a hindrance. Snowglobe of Doom has a new favorite as of 08:05 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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SquareDog posted:Question for you guys. I'm very likely going to do a kickstarter soon. The question is, Kickstarter or Indiegogo? Indiegogo looks much better on paper with the flexible funding and long donation windows, but it seems that indiegogo is perceived as "off band" and that kickstarter is more credible somehow. Any thoughts on this and why I should choose one over the other? Well, flex funding will make you look like a scammer unless you're like a charity of some sort. Being able to run off with the cash regardless of if you make goal is not a bonus. Indiegogo also has a lot less visibility in general, too.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Me karnt reed. I was really hoping there was a real life "Little Shop of Horrors" kickstarter that started this, to be honest.
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Kaizoku posted:I was really hoping there was a real life "Little Shop of Horrors" kickstarter that started this, to be honest. I kept digging and it turns out that's almost exactly what happened: After Glowing Plant Project, Kickstarter Bans Offering Genetically Modified Organisms as Rewards
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Yeah, I backed that, which is how I found out (the creators told us that it a. doesn't impact them and b. is still lovely), but I haven't heard the reasoning.
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SquareDog posted:Question for you guys. I'm very likely going to do a kickstarter soon. The question is, Kickstarter or Indiegogo? Indiegogo looks much better on paper with the flexible funding and long donation windows, but it seems that indiegogo is perceived as "off band" and that kickstarter is more credible somehow. Any thoughts on this and why I should choose one over the other? Only one goon I can think of who did Indiegogo flex funding and that's Klaivu for his Bird comic. But he already had a product ready he just needed publishing money (plus he was in Finland so that complicated things) Pretty much the only reason to do IGG FF is if you have a product ready and you just need to scale distribution funds. Which is pretty much what nobody ever does. Do Kickstarter if you can help it
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Elissia posted:Oh hey I forgot all about the Megatokyo Kickstarter let's see how it's doing! I used to read this. I remind myself of this terrible fact when I'm feeling too good about myself. As for the game, he straight-up admits that it's a retelling of the first handful of chapters. I hate to call it lazy, because making a game can be hard work, but this just seems like a crowning moment of 'phoning it in'. Also, some of the features: Multiple save points for each character. All artwork will be full color. Consciences will appear as screen sitters on the dialogue boxes Each character will have his original song (no vocals) and opening sequence (pan and zoom, simple animations) CG artwork galleries where you can view unlocked artwork and scenes. Wide screen format - 1280 x 720 make me think that he's actively trolling his fans to see how much money they'll throw at him for essentially nothing.
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I sure have seen a lot of "visual novel" anime games on crowdfunding sites. Is there, like, a dearth of anime or something? Are anime fans so deprived that they're forced to throw their money at terrible bullshit or is it just that a "visual novel" game is the easiest thing for a no-talent hack to poo poo out in a month?
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PostNouveau posted:or is it just that a "visual novel" game is the easiest thing for a no-talent hack to poo poo out in a month? They're basically a moderately interactive Powerpoint presentation, so yes.
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kirbysuperstar posted:They're basically a moderately interactive Powerpoint presentation, so yes. Which is sad, because I've had good experiences with Visual Novels, and I think they can be a good way of telling a story if done right. The problem is that they are relatively easy to create, so the genre gets flooded by a tide of worthless garbage that panders to the lowest common denominator. As you said, they're basically powerpoint presentations with multiple choice points sprinkled in, so they either have to rely on their writing (which is either character or scenario based) or some dumb gimmick (usually porn) to get any sort of interest going. As to why they've flooded kickstarter, I have no clue. Easy money is my best guess.
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Bobo the Red posted:Yeah, I backed that, which is how I found out (the creators told us that it a. doesn't impact them and b. is still lovely), but I haven't heard the reasoning. I suspect it's to avoid it setting a precedent for less responsible projects. There's all sorts of inappropriate GM poo poo people would flock to fund, and while a blanket ban unfortunately does prevent some cool projects too, it also blocks a lot of stupid ones. I also imagine local laws are a major consideration, kickstarter has no way of checking that a project provider is keeping up with codes and rules and could probably be sued if someone bought a bar of kicksatrted soap that melted their face off or if someone imported a banned item (like a GM plant) from a kickstarter project. Kickstarter also bans drugs, alcohol, drug paraphernalia, bath and beauty products, nutritional supplements, weapons and replica weapons, health and safety equipment and more. I suspect at some point someone will kickstart, say, the breeding of a new variety of chicken and offer fertilized eggs as one of the rewards (for hatching in an incubator and rearing chicks at home) and they'll ban live animals/vertebrates and fertile material for the raising of live animals
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Bobo the Red posted:Why did Kickstarter turn anti-GMO? Probably blowback from the glowing plant project. Edit: beaten. I know some of the gp guys, so it will be interesting how this plays out. Spazzle has a new favorite as of 13:49 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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I got a good laugh when I logged into Kickstarter this morning. The local section had a new Kickstarter listed from an old boss! Ever wanted to play an MMORPG/RTS? Now's your chance! Running at an amazing 10 fps! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1832060149/realms-of-creation?ref=home_location I used to do freelance web development for this guy. He's been working on this game since long before I worked for him, so it's easily 15 years old now. I remember his brilliant ideas to make money... which included having a pizza ordering system built into the game, just like Everquest! Only better! Just imagine if Dominos and Papa Johns wanted in on the sweet Everquest ordering action? He'd make millions! He was going to have all sorts of corporate advertising in the game. The last time I heard from him he wanted me to work for him again, because he was just getting into this awesome new concept called "Search Engine Optimization." All he had to do was make a website with a bunch of links on it, and he'd charge people to put their website on his links. He'd then put that link page on every site that he hosted for anyone, so every link would be on dozens of different sites all linking to one another!
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 That is hilariously amateurish. And he's been working on it for 15 years? Well, graphically, I suppose it does compete with Everquest. I can't imagine why anyone would give him money for his "MMO RPG MMORPG MMORTS". EDIT - The whole thing just sounds like every "best MMO ever!!" idea, as usual. Be your own mayor!! Set taxes for your NPC apprentices!! Farm fish OR sheep!! Though I guess it has slightly less info on the combat and dungeon side, and more about being a mayor/woodcutter. HJE-Cobra has a new favorite as of 15:11 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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PostNouveau posted:I sure have seen a lot of "visual novel" anime games on crowdfunding sites. There's also a free, open-source program called Ren'Py that not only makes it easy to make your game, but it requires no licensing fee or anything to sell your final product. It's a zero-cost start-up if you're doing the assets yourself, sort of like why there were so many sprite webcomics back in the day. Write a bunch of dialogue, paste a character into the scene, add some music and cherry blossoms, then you have the next big hit.
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Elissia posted:Oh hey I forgot all about the Megatokyo Kickstarter let's see how it's doing! They were $200,000 short of getting the "Excessively Romantic" content. I can't tell if I should be thankful that it doesn't exist or upset that I didn't get to see him basically implode with shame.
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Baldo's walk cycle animation sort of looks like he poo poo his pants. "CHOOSE WHAT TYPE OF FARMER TO BE!" I am fully engaged now, sir.
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Frozen-Solid posted:The last time I heard from him he wanted me to work for him again, because he was just getting into this awesome new concept called "Search Engine Optimization." All he had to do was make a website with a bunch of links on it, and he'd charge people to put their website on his links. He'd then put that link page on every site that he hosted for anyone, so every link would be on dozens of different sites all linking to one another! He must not know how to actually use a search engine because if he did he could easily use it to find out what actual SEO is and that link farms don't really work. I bet he will soon have the great idea to put a bunch of keywords in meta tags on all his pages too! If he wants to make money he should sell the time machine he used to get here from 1999.
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The best part is his Risks and Challenges sectionBEST MMO EVER posted:Our biggest problem that we might face is the detail of the graphics might slow down our progress of getting the game done with wanting to put it on so many platforms. If this happens we will hire more graphics team members or look for out side consultants to help get the job done. Because you know, all it takes to get it done is hire more people. Also it's totally possible to host an entire MMO in "the cloud." They don't need to have their own datacenter or anything.
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J.A.B.C. posted:Which is sad, because I've had good experiences with Visual Novels, and I think they can be a good way of telling a story if done right. Easy money. You're essentially getting your fanfiction published without the ridicule and obscurity of self publishing on something like Amazon or Lulu
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J.A.B.C. posted:I used to read this. I remind myself of this terrible fact when I'm feeling too good about myself. He's trying to get in on that Homestuck money. Unfortunately, Megatokyo isn't Homestuck and he isn't Andrew Hussie.
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Mercury Hat posted:There's also a free, open-source program called Ren'Py that not only makes it easy to make your game, but it requires no licensing fee or anything to sell your final product. It's a zero-cost start-up if you're doing the assets yourself, sort of like why there were so many sprite webcomics back in the day. Write a bunch of dialogue, paste a character into the scene, add some music and cherry blossoms, then you have the next big hit. Yeah, Ren'Py is fantastic in that if you really care about your project and have a few hours a day anyone can learn how to program a visual novel cutting down on costs significantly. Really all you need then is to hire a writer, artist, and music person. Unless someone plans on doing that all themself in which case they are either a savant or in over their head.
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Machai posted:He must not know how to actually use a search engine because if he did he could easily use it to find out what actual SEO is and that link farms don't really work. I bet he will soon have the great idea to put a bunch of keywords in meta tags on all his pages too! There's no market for it. Anyone who could be persuaded to buy blind ignorance and wilful stupidity already has a plentiful supply of both.
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Mercury Hat posted:There's also a free, open-source program called Ren'Py that not only makes it easy to make your game, but it requires no licensing fee or anything to sell your final product. It's a zero-cost start-up if you're doing the assets yourself, sort of like why there were so many sprite webcomics back in the day. Write a bunch of dialogue, paste a character into the scene, add some music and cherry blossoms, then you have the next big hit. Whatever happened to that creepy anime VN kick starter? DNA Extreme or something?
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Toffile posted:Whatever happened to that creepy anime VN kick starter? DNA Extreme or something? Gender Bender DNA Twister Extreme Apparently they were more than 500% successful. They've got lots of updates but I can't bring myself to look at them, someone braver than me will have to jump back down the rabbit hole.
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Jedit posted:There's no market for it. Anyone who could be persuaded to buy blind ignorance and wilful stupidity already has a plentiful supply of both. He's one of those "idea guys" that thinks all he needs is an idea, a shitload of money, and knowing the right people. He tried to get me to join the Masons for that very reason. He talked about it like the second I joined the upper echelons of central IL society would throw their money and jobs at me.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Gender Bender DNA Twister Extreme Now with gameplay footage! Spoiler: It makes no sense whatsoever.
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PostNouveau posted:Now with gameplay footage! ...why make a video of gameplay that includes no animations whatsoever?
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senrath posted:...why make a video of gameplay that includes no animations whatsoever? Why make a video game that include no animations whatsoever?
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1192311215/ghost-song-a-journey-of-hope Tada! It's... Super Metroid! quote:A beautiful 2D sci-fi metroidvania about love, hope, and redemption. Gameplay influenced by Super Metroid and Dark Souls. The game certainly looks good. Too bad he straight up steals everything from Super Metroid. The animations, art style, level design, combat, etc. It's all directly lifted out of Nintendo's game. The Ol Spicy Keychain has a new favorite as of 18:48 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:They were $200,000 short of getting the "Excessively Romantic" content. I can't tell if I should be thankful that it doesn't exist or upset that I didn't get to see him basically implode with shame. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but it totally does exist and he feels zero shame about it.
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Geek U.S.A. posted:http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1192311215/ghost-song-a-journey-of-hope The game certainly uses Metroid as a template, but it's not like he's "lifting" stuff directly. It's obviously thoroughly inspired by it, yes, but whether that's a good or a bad thing is entirely a matter of opinion. He's also extremely up-front about it, "Super Metroid" is right there in the description. Whether you like these kinds of projects or not is a personal thing, but in my opinion this is anything but an Awful Kickstarter.
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OatmealRaisin posted:I hate to be the one to tell you this, but it totally does exist and he feels zero shame about it. I knew he had those PG-13 sketches around, I didn't know there was anything else to it.
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miguelito posted:The game certainly uses Metroid as a template, but it's not like he's "lifting" stuff directly. It's obviously thoroughly inspired by it, yes, but whether that's a good or a bad thing is entirely a matter of opinion. You're right in that it uses Metroid as a temple. It looks like he traced over all the animations/tilesets and all the game mechanics in SM. To me, a game obviously inspired by Super Metroid is something like Castlevania SOTN or Shadow Complex. This is simply a shameless ripoff that he's looking to make money off. Admitting that you took SM and slapped some new sprites over it doesn't really make it not awful.
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Geek U.S.A. posted:You're right in that it uses Metroid as a temple. It looks like he traced over all the animations/tilesets and all the game mechanics in SM. To me, a game obviously inspired by Super Metroid is something like Castlevania SOTN or Shadow Complex. This is simply a shameless ripoff that he's looking to make money off. Admitting that you took SM and slapped some new sprites over it doesn't really make it not awful. Disclosure, I'm not affiliated with the dude or project, but I've been following his dev thread on another forum and for what it's worth, personally I think it's legit. I'm also fine with staying this close to your inspiration as long as you create every last thing newly from the ground up. He did state several times he was going to add his own twists, and while I haven't played the game myself, I can hardly imagine NOT creating something new in the process - simply because you're another person. Because I do think (I dare say know?) that this is an actual person doing it out of admiration, and with some talent to boot. It might be a matter of perception, but looking at the gifs I saw Turrican as much as Metroid in there. Then there's the stated Dark Souls influence, the Creepy Black Haired Girl(tm) in the thumbnail, all things that show there's someone wanting to add to this, instead of copying. I'll stop my gushing now, maybe I'm just easily impressed by good looking homemade games. Personally I'd definitely consider this a worthy project though.
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miguelito posted:The game certainly uses Metroid as a template, but it's not like he's "lifting" stuff directly. It's obviously thoroughly inspired by it, yes, but whether that's a good or a bad thing is entirely a matter of opinion. Honestly, whilst it does look well produced, I think the amount it borrows from Super Metroid crosses the line. I don't care how much to acknowledge 'inspiration' if you're copying details down to the jump animation and enemy movement patterns you really need to consider if you have any game design skills of your own.
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Well Nintendo clearly isn't interested in making Metroid games anymore so I say let this guy be derivative as he wants.
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