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I don't know anything about the old territories, but WWE released a "Legends of Mid-South" trailer that seems to feature an insane list of talent. Did any territory even come close to them, or did somebody just do a really good job of editing together a bunch of guys who were there for a cup of coffee (like the Blade Runners).
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So how much of the lousy shoots were down to Inoki, and how much of it can be blamed on the Japanese audience? When I was only watching MMA, I thought that the Japanese crowds had an unhealthy fixation with dangerous uncompetitive matches, either because they just liked freakshow fights, or because they liked to see Japanese guys try to beat the odds with "fighting spirit" more than they liked to see them win. Also, can someone tell me when this happened? I almost cried.
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Aug 7, 2013 14:17
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Was there ever a thread or anything about Misawa's death here? I have Archives but can't seem to find anything.
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Aug 7, 2013 14:25
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What is/are the problems with All Japan now?
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Aug 7, 2013 14:33
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flashy_mcflash posted:Was there ever a thread or anything about Misawa's death here? I have Archives but can't seem to find anything. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3153521 Finding specific old threads can be tough without search but for stuff that happened around a particular date I've found it's usually best to go to the archives for 1 or 2 months after it happened.
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Aug 7, 2013 15:12
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Awesome, thanks Thauros.
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Aug 7, 2013 15:16
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Snacksmaniac posted:No kidding. Even Triple H jobbed to Eddy's friend. Even HBK jobbed... wow.
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Aug 7, 2013 15:18
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Lurkee Mcgee posted:I don't know anything about the old territories, but WWE released a "Legends of Mid-South" trailer that seems to feature an insane list of talent. Did any territory even come close to them, or did somebody just do a really good job of editing together a bunch of guys who were there for a cup of coffee (like the Blade Runners). I don't know a lot about Mid-South in particular, but you have to remember that wrestling was a lot different back then. There were a lot more people working full time wrestling and making a living so there were more big stars. These stars traveled from territory to territory quite a bit so their act wouldn't get stale. For example, Dusty Rhodes wrestled in Mid-South, but he also wrestled in Florida, JCP in Georgia and I'm sure other places. So Dusty might have a feud with Kevin Sullivan in Florida, and when that program was over, he'd probably go to Mid-South and feud with someone there, and then he'd probably go to Georgia and have a big program with Ric Flair. People generally weren't locked into exclusive contracts the way the are in the modern era, and there was a lot of movement between territories. I guess the modern day equivalent would be to look at a guy like Kevin Steen. It's pretty fair to say Steen is part of both the PWG and ROH rosters, right? If PWG released a "Legends of PWG" DVD, it'd probably include Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Kevin Steen, The Briscoe Bros, etc. even though all those guys were wrestling in ROH when they were part of the PWG roster. So yeah, to answer your question, all those guys wrestled in Mid-South, but they also wrestled everywhere else. They would have been on multiple rosters at the same time. Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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Aug 7, 2013 15:35
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ColeM posted:Even HBK jobbed... wow. Was this the only time HBK ever fought Rey?
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Aug 7, 2013 15:49
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They were also on opposing sides of a Survivor Series match
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Aug 7, 2013 16:19
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I remember NOAH was building up Nakajima in 09 or 10 then kinda just stopped pushing him.
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Aug 7, 2013 17:31
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Was this the only time HBK ever fought Rey? Was hbk a heel? I can't even imagine this match
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Aug 7, 2013 17:32
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Manwithastick posted:Was hbk a heel? I can't even imagine this match No, it was just a really solid face vs. face exhibition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edGLJHNd0CU disaster pastor fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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Aug 7, 2013 17:43
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Was there a backstage reason that Bret Hart never officially joined the NWO?
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Aug 7, 2013 19:07
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Yeah, Bret didn't want to do it.
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Aug 7, 2013 19:08
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He probably knew he'd be the fourth wheel and it was better for him to stay away from it. Plus it wasn't anything special to be in the nWo by 98 as about half the roster was in it eventually.
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Aug 7, 2013 19:08
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I was thinking about the nWo and how it never had a good payoff as a story. I think since it was built up like a gang, a great way to end it would have been like a classic gang story we've seen in other mediums. Like Hogan and them are untouchable. But eventually, due to Hogan's mistreatment of his guys, the nWo breaks up from within, allowing the babyface his chance to take Hogan's title as his empire crashes around him. Then you have new fueds from the remains of the nWo. Question: If you could change a way an angle went back in the day, how would you like to have seen it go?
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Aug 7, 2013 19:22
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Spikeguy posted:I was thinking about the nWo and how it never had a good payoff as a story. I think since it was built up like a gang, a great way to end it would have been like a classic gang story we've seen in other mediums. Like Hogan and them are untouchable. But eventually, due to Hogan's mistreatment of his guys, the nWo breaks up from within, allowing the babyface his chance to take Hogan's title as his empire crashes around him. Then you have new fueds from the remains of the nWo. Isn't that basically what happened with nWo Hollywood & nWo Wolfpac? Minus the good storytelling part allowing a babyface to take Hogan's title.
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Aug 7, 2013 19:27
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Wow how quickly we forget the black and silver I guess 4 life means nothing to you.
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Aug 7, 2013 19:33
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The Croc posted:He probably knew he'd be the fourth wheel and it was better for him to stay away from it. Plus it wasn't anything special to be in the nWo by 98 as about half the roster was in it eventually. Not like it made a difference anyways. He bounced around from heel to face so many drat times that his pushes suffered for it and then by the time he was made champion no one cared. Either way Bret was dead in the water when he signed with WCW.
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Aug 7, 2013 19:44
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Spikeguy posted:I was thinking about the nWo and how it never had a good payoff as a story. I think since it was built up like a gang, a great way to end it would have been like a classic gang story we've seen in other mediums. Like Hogan and them are untouchable. But eventually, due to Hogan's mistreatment of his guys, the nWo breaks up from within, allowing the babyface his chance to take Hogan's title as his empire crashes around him. Then you have new fueds from the remains of the nWo. Sting beats Hogan, clean, at Starcade. If you want to get fancy with it (and I don't), the NWO comes down to get a bullshit finish and gets jumped by WCW, who's finally united against them. Hogan can't retake the title since his schemes don't work, NWO disbands.
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Aug 7, 2013 20:03
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Was this the only time HBK ever fought Rey? They wrestled on Smackdown semi recently.
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Aug 7, 2013 20:42
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I've been listening to a bunch of Jim Cornette rants, and I like the guy. What did he do to screw up ROH?
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Aug 7, 2013 20:42
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Halloween Jack posted:I've been listening to a bunch of Jim Cornette rants, and I like the guy. What did he do to screw up ROH? Basically he is stuck in the "old days" of booking, and decided he didn't like some of ROH's top stars so he wasn't going to book them to their fullest.
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Aug 7, 2013 20:43
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Golden Bee posted:Sting beats Hogan, clean, at Starcade. I'm not sure I'd call that finish a clean finish.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Was this the only time HBK ever fought Rey? Within the first 3 results for "Mysterio HBK" on youtube  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-7d_aH07JM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxE__OQNWg 89 fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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Aug 7, 2013 20:59
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triplexpac posted:Basically he is stuck in the "old days" of booking, and decided he didn't like some of ROH's top stars so he wasn't going to book them to their fullest. OTOH it seems like he thinks wrestling works best when it's built on the skeleton of an actual athletic league, and I agree with that. I like MMA, and I like the outright fantasy of Chikara, but WWE occupies this weird in-between place where wrestlers want to win belts, but it's not really clear why that matters. I guess it works for some people, but not for me; I just watch the good matches and ignore every part of the story that doesn't involve Daniel Bryan. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Aug 7, 2013 |
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Aug 7, 2013 21:00
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tzirean posted:No, it was just a really solid face vs. face exhibition. Coachman was such a bad commentator, holy poo poo. I forgot just how awful he was. he adds nothing and everything he says sounds like a line he's being fed.
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Aug 7, 2013 21:01
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Halloween Jack posted:I gather that he doesn't like comedy wrestling at all. But it seems like he doesn't understand that there's a categorical difference between what Generico and Cabana do, what DDT and Chikara do, and those [expletive][expletive][expletive] WWE [expletive] comedy writers. Yeah he didn't like Generico & Cabana cause they were funny, he didn't like Steen cause he wasn't in good shape. He LOVED Mike Mondo though, ugh.
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Aug 7, 2013 21:05
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Hirams Bitch posted:Wow how quickly we forget the black and silver I guess 4 life means nothing to you. If you're nWo B-Team, you're nWo B-Team 4 life, brother.
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Aug 7, 2013 21:46
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Endless Mike posted:If you're nWo B-Team, you're nWo B-Team 4 life, brother. No he means the nWo 2000 featuring Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Scott Steiner, Jeff Jarrett, and the Harris Brothers
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Aug 7, 2013 21:49
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I wonder what the WWE would be like if Kennedy did not get injured to give up his MitB and fate did not intervene and he ended up being Vince's son and in a huge main event storyline.
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Aug 7, 2013 21:50
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Gatts posted:I wonder what the WWE would be like if Kennedy did not get injured to give up his MitB and fate did not intervene and he ended up being Vince's son and in a huge main event storyline. I think Kennedy, at least at the time, was disliked by enough people in the back that he'd have found a way to screw it up. I could have seen him ending up as a guy who got a pretty big push but in the end was relatively meaningless in the overall history of WWE like Bobby Lashley or Carlito.
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That raises an interesting point. Who do you think were the guys who were pushed the hardest, only to be a flash in the pan? For my money, I go with Ultimate Warrior. Forget the fact that no one seems to like him, but he's just not mentioned much. And with WWE controling much of its own history, I dare say the younger people of today's audience might not know who he is. This is a guy who beat Hogan in the main event of Wrestlemania during Hogan's hayday and held the World and IC titles at the same time.
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Aug 7, 2013 22:23
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Sid Vicious comes to mind. I would put Steve Williams' WWF career on the list, because it was at the center of the Brawl-for-All, a disaster for the company.
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Aug 7, 2013 22:34
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I don't think you can really say Sid because multiple companies pushed him multiple times.
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Aug 7, 2013 22:46
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Koslov. He beat Undertaker clean. Never forget.
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Aug 7, 2013 22:47
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He also KO'd HHH with that Battering Ram headbutt thing. Blitzkrieg would be good example here though. He had a really good match with Juvi for the #1 contendership, had a solid match with Rey where commentary put him over, but after WCW he wnet into IT work, passed on the gear to Jack Evans who promptly almost broke his neck the first time working as Blitzkrieg II.
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Aug 7, 2013 22:49
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Halloween Jack posted:I gather that he doesn't like comedy wrestling at all. But it seems like he doesn't understand that there's a categorical difference between what Generico and Cabana do, what DDT and Chikara do, and those [expletive][expletive][expletive] WWE [expletive] comedy writers. On the other hand he'll talk about how funny Plowboy Frazier was, even though he was a terrible wrestler. I don't understand Cornette's objections with the ROH guys, because Cabana, Steen, and Generico are all character-driven workers who are good in the ring and legitimately entertaining, which are the things that made old school wrestling great according to Cornette and other bitter veterans.
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CombineThresher posted:I don't understand Cornette's objections with the ROH guys, because Cabana, Steen, and Generico are all character-driven workers who are good in the ring and legitimately entertaining, which are the things that made old school wrestling great according to Cornette and other bitter veterans. I think it's just that Cornette got crabbier and more bitter as he got older, and anything that didn't exactly suit his tastes was just poo poo and a waste of time as far as he was concerned. I remember Mark Jindrak talking about how Cornette told him he was getting new theme music (I think Jindrak might have been down in OVW or something like that), and when he played it, it was basically some AC/DC knockoff. Jindrak was less than enthusiastic about it (he said that he's not really into rock music, and prefers rap/hip-hop), which pissed Cornette off, and prompted a rant that began with the question "What do you want, that rap poo poo?"
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