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Dravs posted:Did you just compare Nick Kyme to Kafka? Turning into a giant bug is pretty grimdark.
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Aug 10, 2013 17:58
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Turning into a giant bug is pretty grimdark. That sounds like good material for a Death Guard short, actually.
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Aug 10, 2013 23:37
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Turning into a giant bug is pretty grimdark. Also The Trial would fit in pretty well. Or The Castle. I'd definitely recommend both, actually. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Aug 11, 2013 |
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Aug 11, 2013 03:16
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I just finished battle of the abyss. The worst is over right? Right?
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Aug 11, 2013 08:00
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UberJumper posted:I just finished battle of the abyss. Well, have you read a lil' book called Nemesis?
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Aug 11, 2013 08:26
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Battle of the Abyss is a masterpiece in bad writing. It is a random act of xenos contrition inflicted upon the concept of writing.
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Aug 11, 2013 09:09
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hopterque posted:Well, have you read a lil' book called Nemesis? Battle of the Abyss is just awful in everyway. Nemesis is at least a bit funny with how awful it is.
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Aug 11, 2013 17:22
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Nemesis is dumb in many ways and takes a dump on established lore regarding assassins and psykers but other than that it was stupid fun.
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Aug 12, 2013 00:26
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I didn't think Nemesis was nearly as bad as Battle of the Abyss but I agree it had some pretty dumb parts/implications/dumb premise entirely. I thought the whole idea of the big dumb rail-gun thing to kill Horus was pretty funny though from memory. Can anyone fill me in on whether there's been any ADB/Abnett/good books released or announced lately? I haven't read any BL books since Angel Exterminatus and all I'm seeing is lovely ebook/audio drama/~limited edition~ releases. I'm thinking of getting The Emperor's Gift by ADB and maybe Ahriman Exile by John French if they're any good?
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Aug 12, 2013 01:21
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I don't really remember much from Battle of the Abyss. Which were the most stupid bits?
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Aug 12, 2013 03:23
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Azran posted:I don't really remember much from Battle of the Abyss. Which were the most stupid bits? All of it was the most stupid bits.
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Aug 12, 2013 04:07
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Azran posted:I don't really remember much from Battle of the Abyss. Which were the most stupid bits? It's so stupid that in Know No Fear or Mark of Calth Lorgar or someone actually talks poo poo about how dumb everyone on that ship was. e: Or was it Betrayer? hopterque fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Aug 12, 2013 |
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Aug 12, 2013 05:22
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hopterque posted:It's so stupid that in Know No Fear or Mark of Calth Lorgar or someone actually talks poo poo about how dumb everyone on that ship was. Betrayer.
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Aug 12, 2013 06:03
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Azran posted:I don't really remember much from Battle of the Abyss. Which were the most stupid bits? It's one of those books that when you mention some bits from it you'd think it would be awesome (if you're 14). But it's just bad. Really bad. A Space Wolf (called "Bring a Storm" or something) getting drunk and starting a bar fight with Ultramarines (who drops into the codex approved Guilliman fighting stance). A gigantic, planelt smashing ship (massive even by WH40k standard). Captain Genericus McUltramarine with his amazing dialog ("It [sic] cannot believe that the very ship carrying five companies of my battle-brothers and en-route to Calth was destroyed before reaching Vangelis in a random act of Xenos contrition"). Word Bearers dropping like Imperial Storm Troopers in fire fights with our band of plucky heroes. Space Wolf Growly McAlebeard taking out the ship by jumping into the reactor with a melta bomb and an axe (or something else retarded). Sounds great. Until you read it. Take out the loyalist marines from the traitor legions and you have a story that would be instantly forgettable in 40k.
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Aug 12, 2013 08:29
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Frankly posted:I'm thinking of getting The Emperor's Gift by ADB and maybe Ahriman Exile by John French if they're any good? Why ask if ADB has released anything recently when you haven't read one of his best in the Emperor's Gift?  It does seem as if Black Library's release schedule has ground to screeching halt though.
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Aug 12, 2013 09:12
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rocket_Magnet posted:Why ask if ADB has released anything recently when you haven't read one of his best in the Emperor's Gift? Well, I don't know why all their stuff is slower than usual, but as far as the Horus Heresy goes, they've probably realized that all the big events have been covered and what remains is the fight on Terra. The 30K storyline is stuck at the end of its own natural conclusion just like the 40K line.
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Donnerberg posted:Well, I don't know why all their stuff is slower than usual, but as far as the Horus Heresy goes, they've probably realized that all the big events have been covered and what remains is the fight on Terra. The 30K storyline is stuck at the end of its own natural conclusion just like the 40K line. I wouldn't worry, the attack at the Emperors palace with be stretched into 5 or 6 books by itself, with additional audio books, limited edition one run only books (cost premium $$$) and a ton of single chapter novellas which you will not be able to buy together, and instead have to hand out $4 for each one (come in sets of 30+), that will tell us the stories of how Angron got really angry one time and refused to brush his teeth before bedtime, or that dream sequence we will get with Fulgrim where he jacks off onto his painting and then get's something stuck up his bum. Yeah, I lost faith in GW marketing department now.
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Aug 12, 2013 10:07
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I hated Nemesis purely for the fact that when I heard about a Horus Heresy book about the Assassinorium temples I was excited, how did the Heresy affect the temples? Was there a secret civil war on Terra between the loyalist assassins and heretic ones? What about Assassins in the field with Horus's followers? But no we just got a crappy Dirty Dozen type mess.
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Aug 12, 2013 10:24
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I didn't think Nemesis was bad. Just forgettable. All I remember is the Eversor grabbing a huge pile of guns and walking away, saying "I'll be in my bunk."
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Aug 12, 2013 12:11
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William Bear posted:I didn't think Nemesis was bad. Just forgettable. All I remember is the Eversor grabbing a huge pile of guns and walking away, saying "I'll be in my bunk." The Eversor was the only amusing character in that book.
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Aug 12, 2013 12:41
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Nemesis was dumb in that it was shoehorned into the HH series in order to get more sales. If you can take it out of that series, it's an ok read, though nothing special.
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Aug 12, 2013 14:19
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berzerkmonkey posted:Nemesis was dumb in that it was shoehorned into the HH series in order to get more sales. If you can take it out of that series, it's an ok read, though nothing special. And yet I brought it. Just as I will buy any standard sized paperback with "Horus Heresy" on it. Are you listening, GW?
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Aug 12, 2013 15:49
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Dog_Meat posted:Are you listening, GW? Considering the amount of HH stuff they do publish I say the listen very well.
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Aug 12, 2013 18:20
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All I remember about that book is that the Eversor basically just killed everything.
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Aug 12, 2013 19:02
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Dog_Meat posted:And yet I brought it.
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Donnerberg posted:Well, I don't know why all their stuff is slower than usual, but as far as the Horus Heresy goes, they've probably realized that all the big events have been covered and what remains is the fight on Terra. The 30K storyline is stuck at the end of its own natural conclusion just like the 40K line. Nah, there is still the Battle of Tallarn - think Stalingrad, but then Hitler bombed it to ash, and the ash heaps became the desert for North Africa. Whole thing is a gigantic bloodbath that proves Horus' and Cruze's justifications to be a lie, when bog standard humans beat the hell out of ubermensch traitor legions, slowing the advance for years.
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Aug 12, 2013 19:56
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Dog_Meat posted:It's one of those books that when you mention some bits from it you'd think it would be awesome (if you're 14). But it's just bad. Really bad. Don't forget that the Space Wolf actually drinks ale from his beard. Oh, and the Giant book on the giant ship that is actually a giant pop-up giant gun book that opens to fire the giant metaphorical Word of Lorgar. Giant. VanSandman posted:All of it was the most stupid bits.
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Aug 12, 2013 20:06
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Don't forget that the Space Wolf actually drinks ale from his beard. Oh, and the Giant book on the giant ship that is actually a giant pop-up giant gun book that opens to fire the giant metaphorical Word of Lorgar. Giant. I couldn't remember the exact "xenos contrition" quote, so I copied and pasted it from the first hit on google for "battle abyss xenos contrition". Which was a pastebin entry for Rapey Joe Stalin. I'm not sure what my point is other than you are clearly better qualified than me to point out the flaws in that godawful book. And despite this compete waste of a post, it is still more meaningful than "Battle for the Abyss".
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Aug 13, 2013 13:30
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Fried Chicken posted:Nah, there is still the Battle of Tallarn - think Stalingrad, but then Hitler bombed it to ash, and the ash heaps became the desert for North Africa. That sounds like the best thing. Hope they don't screw it up and give it to a bad writer.
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Aug 13, 2013 16:56
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Schneider Heim posted:That sounds like the best thing. Hope they don't screw it up and give it to a bad writer. C.S Goto's glorious return to the BL fold.
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Schneider Heim posted:That sounds like the best thing. Hope they don't screw it up and give it to a bad writer. Well, it is primarily an Iron Warriors thing, and they "belong" to Graham McNeill. Of course, he used to have claim to the Ultramarines and they gave that to Abnett for Calth. Seriously though, months long tank battles in a burnt out virus bombed hellscape handled by a good author will own.
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Aug 13, 2013 21:31
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Plus there's the whole "Alpha Legion playing hide and seek with the Ultramarines" bit. Which should be fun.
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Aug 13, 2013 22:13
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I've recently finished C.S. Goto's Dawn of War and found it to be fairly enjoyable. Should I continue in any certain order or just start from the top? Honestly had no idea how extensive BL's reading list was.
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Aug 14, 2013 03:38
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Shif posted:I've recently finished C.S. Goto's Dawn of War and found it to be fairly enjoyable. Should I continue in any certain order or just start from the top? Honestly had no idea how extensive BL's reading list was. Read Eisenhorn, then come back.
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Shif posted:I've recently finished C.S. Goto's Dawn of War and found it to be fairly enjoyable. Should I continue in any certain order or just start from the top? Honestly had no idea how extensive BL's reading list was. I would advise that you check some of the good Space Marine books in the OP and read those next (Like Helsreach. Definitely read Helsreach.). Eisenhorn is great, but the transition from bolter porn to 40k James Bond might be too jarring.
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The concept behind James Bond is antithesis to Eisenhorn; that's a very bad comparison to make. Eisenhorn does worldbuilding and includes many of the iconic elements of the setting (including viewing Astartes from the context of regular humans). Sure, it's not bolter porn, but jumping from the awful Dawn of War series to Helsreach would probably be more with how different the marines are (both for being Black Templars and written by a competent author). The closer I'd say would be Abnett's Brothers of the Snake, but although I like it as a book, I don't rate it particularly highly in regards to marine books because Abnett's grasps on the setting felt a little flimsy at that point still. Should be noted that so it does in Eisenhorn, but in that case he's actually building the setting and ended up forming one of the major bases for non-bolterporn parts of modern 40k.
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Nephilm posted:Eisenhorn does worldbuilding and includes many of the iconic elements of the setting (including viewing Astartes from the context of regular humans). Sure, it's not bolter porn, but jumping from the awful Dawn of War series to Helsreach would probably be more with how different the marines are (both for being Black Templars and written by a competent author). Have to agree, even the short scenes on the shrine world and Cadia in Malleus really helps to flesh out the 40k universe, even if they had read up on the different planet categorizations on Lexicanum or in the rulebook.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I've actually never read Space Marine or the Inquisition War books, but if anyone wants to do a write-up I'll gladly add it to the OP. I hear they're...strange. If you like words like puissant, alabaster, cinnabar and unguent, and you like a desolate sense of despair and pointlessness served up with a knowing twinkle, then you should definitely buy them. You get the impression he had a lot of fun writing them. quote:Brandishing a boltgun in one hand and a power sword in the
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Mowglis Haircut posted:I hated Nemesis purely for the fact that when I heard about a Horus Heresy book about the Assassinorium temples I was excited, how did the Heresy affect the temples? Was there a secret civil war on Terra between the loyalist assassins and heretic ones? What about Assassins in the field with Horus's followers? But no we just got a crappy Dirty Dozen type mess. I felt the same way as well. I don't see how James Swallow could have hosed up such a cool premise though. The only redeeming aspect of the book was the Eversor assassin and possibly finding out what the Vanus temple actually did. The first Codex Assassins book had some really cool stories and I was expecting more of the same. Zephro posted:I know this is from way way back but I've read all of them (and nothing from BL!) and I wouldn't say they're strange. He's a talented writer and he has a great deal of fun with cranking the grimdark to 11, but there's also that tongue-in-cheekness that characterised the fluff back in the 90s before the setting became more of a moneyspinner than the games themselves. Space Marine, the Deathwing short story collection and the Inquisitor series are still some of my favourite 40k books despite how 'non canon' some of the stories now are with Deathwing being one of the best 40k short stories. Zephro's right in that it is still quite grimdark but the books don't take themselves very seriously and they are a lot of fun. I lost my books years ago but I'm tempted to buy them again and read them while listening to  Bolt Thrower just to recapture that 80s-90s Games Workshop feeling.
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