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Of course organized violence is instrumental to how the world works. But it's generally not a sign of a stable society when you have armed vigilante groups (of whatever political orientation) running around beating each other up, or killing each other, or committing all kinds of violence. Fascists benefit when there are armed clashes happening on the streets - which is why fascist groups like the EDL try to provoke it. It's important for anti-fascists to not fall into their hands. Though I have reiterated that self-defense can be necessary depending on the local circumstances.
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The leading cause of death among European fascists (question, has there been any major African fascist groups) is suicide when they stay out in the sun too long, thinking God has punished them with blackness.
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KazigluBey posted:Russia I think there could of been a worse suggestion of involuntary donation of your organs. I could easily see these thugs doing it if it was suggested to them. Shaded Spriter fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Aug 12, 2013 |
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The only acceptable political violence is indirect terrorism and oppression by the institutions that provide first world living standards, and political turmoil accompanying violence means any attempt to change or improve the status quo that could result in any discomfort for comfortable white people is clearly equivalent to a nihilstic deathcult bent on genocide for the tribalistic fun of it. Workers fighting for their rights are just as bad as the death squads making necklaces out of fingers of people extreme enough to join a union. All fascism is a rightwing response to the breakdown of a market society. The machinery of capitalism creates fascism like an abusive parent, socialism is the attempt to do better, fascism just beats its kids worse. I don't romanticize violence and am grateful to not have to live in a place where it directly affects me, but some of the logic of this thread would pretty much equate the warsaw ghetto to the Nazi's, hell, someone pretty much made the same argument about Cable Street. Considering capital and military institutions usually directly supports fascism long before its politcally powerful enough to destroy the pretense of democracy, on the ground resistance is the only way to combat it. However self-actualization of the working class wouldn't good for business, so thats out.
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I remember reading this book a while ago about the "invention of the white race" or something along those, simply put, and as we probably all agree on, the idea of races among humans as commonly presented is total bullshit, and the idea about the white race in particular is utter bullshit, having been formed almost exclusively to exclude black people and Chinese and the like. All this should be obvious and not really worth reading a book about, other than to learn about the process of establishing the idea. However alot of the quotes and anecdotes included in the book concerned 19th century northern Europeans and white Americans and the problems they had in accepting that Greek and Jewish people, the originators of classicist thought and the Judeo-Christian tradition respectively, did not look like the prime examples of humanity emobodied by the "nordic race". Such things for instance led to many theories stating that Ancient Romans and Greeks were actually blue-eyed, blond-haired, light-skinned nordics. Jesus was depicted as such as well. In contact with actual Greeks they would quickly come to the conclusion that whatever nordic features they might once have had had been lost due to "genetic admixture" from Turks, African and Near Eastern populations, even though actual historical circumstances (centuries of Hellenism, the Roman Empire and Greek settlers moving to the Near East and Africa) would suggest that it would be the other way around. Though being Christian and European the are mostly thought of as white, in order to exclude for instance Turks, who mostly look remarkably similar to Greeks (as do many people in the Levant and most of the Mediterranean area), because they are Muslim. There's also similar stuff about Italy, particularly southern Italy. A common narrative being that southern Italians are dark-skinned (even though this is not exclusively through, because people are remarkably varied in their apperance, even within a region) because of Hannibal and his army, Hannibal being from Africa, never mind that he was descended from Phoenician colonists and most of his troops were Gallic and Iberian mercenaries. Then there's the Moors in the early Middle Ages, and they were black right? Well that's kind of iffy because Moors was just a term, a name for an ancient Berber tribe known by the Romans, applied to the Muslim armies who invaded Spain in the 8th century. There might have been some black people among the Moorish pirates who plagued Italy in the 10th century and onwards sure, however most of them were Mediterranean Berbers, Levantine Arabs and Iberians, and even then they mostly brought captives to Africa as slaves rather than staying around and making babies with the locals, in Sicily the pirates who established themselves were a pretty small minority ruling over the local population, 1/3 of whome eventually converted to Islam. None of this is really all that relevant to the discussion of fascism, but it is kind of interesting that you have these people who are seen to have contributed the basic building stones to what we think of as Western civilization, however when people had to face the fact that they mostly did not look like exemplaries of the "nordic race" they made up all these narratives explaining how that was not the case now but back when they made those contributions they were as white as any Englishman. To some extent this is still true today, though less obviously, the above narratives of "admixture" in Greece and Italy are still pretty common, and there's also the fact that Hollywood's cating for dramas set in Ancient Greece and/or Italy tends to feature people who still have a bit of that "nordic" look, what with the blond hair and blue eyes. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Aug 12, 2013 |
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Randarkman posted:None of this is really all that relevant to the discussion of fascism, but it is kind of interesting that you have these people who are seen to have contributed the basic building stones to what we think of as Western civilization, however when people had to face the fact that they mostly did not look like exemplarie of the "nordic race" they made up all these narratives explaining how that was not the case now but back when they made those contributions they were as white as any Englishman. To some extent this is still true today, though less obviously, the above narratives of "admixture" in Greece and Italy are still pretty common, and there's also the fact that Hollywood's cating for dramas set in Ancient Greece and/or Italy tends to feature people who still have a bit of that "nordic" look, what with the blond hair and blue eyes.  Holy poo poo are there a lot of crazy theories about "races" in Europe, which makes it quite hard when you're trying to find information for completely innocent purposes. Want to know how far the Vikings traveled into the Middle East? Here's a "theory" about how Odin was the leader of the Lost Tribe of Israel, God's actual Chosen People, and he and his tribe settled in southern Scandinavia. The Jews are of course just some losers who stole our Germanic legacy, and have been trying to ruin us ever since. The proof of this is so obvious that we're not even going to show it.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, there has been an "admixture", it's mostly just the other way around, with Germanic tribes making the "Nordic" look more common in many parts of Europe. This map kind of reminds me of the political situation in Europe, even if it's not perfect. Hell, the northern Italian politicians are semi-embracing the Germanic legacy aren't they, even if it's partly to suck up to Germans? Kinda reminds me of something, but I can't put my finger on what. Ofcourse there's been a lot of "racial mixing", for lack of a better term. It's just that, especially in the case of Greeks, this mixing is mostly brought up in order to explain "how they don't look like they should look anymore" (okay, perhaps that's a bit 19th century) due to Turks/Muslims/mongrelization and it is thought to be relatively recent, thereby freeing Plato and Socrates and the Spartans from being depicted as dark-skinned mediterranean types. Even though we, for instance, have sources of Spartans making fun of Persians for their light skin (and their pants, thought to be very unmanly). Pretty much its as if the whole strict dividing line between white people and non-white people is pretty much bullshit. Who'd have thought it? And to answer your answer your last question: You mean they remind you of racist shitbrains who hold colonialist views towards the southern half of their own country? Randarkman fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Aug 12, 2013 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:
My great-grand-somethings who ended up being murdered in concentration camps (or simply shot/hacked to pieces where they stood) were as white as one can get, had blue eyes and light brown hair, some of them were even blonde. Don't bother trying to poke holes in fascist logic. Fascists don't care. They just kill.
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About Russia and Cleaver, because that clown has finally achieved his desired effect as this thread shows: Martsinkevitch served time (3 years) for staging a fake Moscow KKK (!) execution video of a Tajikistani drug dealer - at that time he became a minor media darling and a go-to thug to interview when some channel needed a shocking report on the rise of skinheads in Russia. When he got out on parole, things got almost comical: he started selling books about "surviving the life in prison", losing weight and shoplifing. Books weren't selling well for obvious reasons, so Cleaver decided to became a full-time Internet celebrity and started his version of TheRedPill-like philosophy: teaching those who grew out of their blackshirt phase and became office drones the secrets of pick-up artistry, being a Man and not working. The "not working" part was mostly about participating in ponzi schemes. So far the biggest splash that Cleaver has achieved was trying to push himself into The Coordinative Council of Opposition - as it turned out, he was sponsored by someone from Nashi ("Ours") - youth-oriented wing of Putin's United Russia. Even the Occupy-Pedophilyaj, which is referenced in the OP, was a greedy media project, a safari for fuckers who were too lazy to get into a fight elsewhere. For 2000 roubles (around 70$) one could become a a member of a "To Catch a Predator"-inspired raid: with golden showers and beatings. (none of the Russian sites reported the lethal casualties of these projects - and trust me, we have a lot of opposition-minded resources that would have spun that story to hell and back) And finally, the feds are doing something: http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/02/occupy/ - Police raided one of the "bases" of Occupy-Pedofiliyaj, confiscated knives, nunchucks, shurikens, axes http://izvestia.ru/news/554702 - Senator asking Prosecutor General for investigation. Now, here is some way more terryfying fash scum: 2010, football fans gather 5000 people in the center of Moscow after the murder of one of their own. Russian football fans are sucking well the cargo cult from Britain, racism included. 2012, the annual November Russian March. After Kremlin changed the state holiday of 7th of November (October Revolution anniversary, still celebrated during the 90s and 00s by the habit) to the Unity Day (the anniversary of Romanov Dynasty seizing the throne from Polish invaders), nationalists hijacked it and every major city has such parades with Russian Empire-wanking freaks, icon-bearers and occasional nazis who can't hold themselves from siegheiling here and there. Authorities softly try to control them. Despite what was said in this thread and the occasional fash rhetoric (and recent laws), Kremlin is frightened of nationalists; although I believe that after Putin kicks the bucket, we will have bona fide fascists in power just like in Greece.
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fatherboxx posted:Despite what was said in this thread and the occasional fash rhetoric (and recent laws), Kremlin is frightened of nationalists; although I believe that after Putin kicks the bucket, we will have bona fide fascists in power just like in Greece. Which of the current parties would that be? I'd guess Zhirinovsky's Liberal Democratic Party, with their calls for Imperial Reconquest and such. The Communists? I mean they mostly draw their support from old people because they support not being horrible what regards benefits and such, but they also support anti-gay legislation and are generally quite nationalistic and jingoistic. Though most probably it will just be whatever already exists in Putin's party, the fascits will come crawling out of the woodwork.
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Randarkman posted:Which of the current parties would that be? I'd guess Zhirinovsky's Liberal Democratic Party, with their calls for Imperial Reconquest and such. He's a joke and nobody likes him. Pat Buchanan has a better chance at becoming powerful than Zhirinovsky does. It's a sock-puppet opposition party run by the Kremlin.
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OwlBot 2000 posted:He's a joke and nobody likes him. Pat Buchanan has a better chance at becoming powerful than Zhirinovsky does. It's a sock-puppet opposition party run by the Kremlin. Yeah, that sounds likely. Still his party got something like 12% of the votes and they are pretty much fascists, not that it makes what you say less true.
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Here's Zhirinovsky telling people that you need to shoot all birds, in order to prevent bird flu. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQPU-r1LdAE He's a punchline to most Russians, but the LDPR needs to be stopped anyway. OwlBot 2000 fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Aug 12, 2013 |
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Randarkman posted:Ofcourse there's been a lot of "racial mixing", for lack of a better term. It's just that, especially in the case of Greeks, this mixing is mostly brought up in order to explain "how they don't look like they should look anymore" (okay, perhaps that's a bit 19th century) due to Turks/Muslims/mongrelization and it is thought to be relatively recent, thereby freeing Plato and Socrates and the Spartans from being depicted as dark-skinned mediterranean types. Even though we, for instance, have sources of Spartans making fun of Persians for their light skin (and their pants, thought to be very unmanly). Randarkman posted:Pretty much its as if the whole strict dividing line between white people and non-white people is pretty much bullshit. Who'd have thought it? my dad posted:My great-grand-somethings who ended up being murdered in concentration camps (or simply shot/hacked to pieces where they stood) were as white as one can get, had blue eyes and light brown hair, some of them were even blonde. Don't bother trying to poke holes in fascist logic. Fascists don't care. They just kill.
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The fact that clowns like the LDPR still get a considerable percentage of the vote isn't a good sign. Granted, nationalism is sort of expected in a country like Russia all things considered.
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LDPR has forever been a "dump a vote" box, especially after "Against All" option was eliminated. Most people of my generation (I am 23) vote for them out of spite and my dad even has a membership card; all of us hope that one day Zhrinovsky will start throwing bottles of water and filming viral videos again. I instantly regretted dumping a vote for them after they initiated the "Protect the faith" act though. Nobody votes for Zhirinovsky like people do for Le Pen. (And no, communists are not an option, they are bankrolled by billionaires and in Putin's pocket just like every major party)
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Well generally that happens when democracy has failed, there are parties but people feel like they are just "dumping" their vote into whatever party seems marginally more to their interests (usually at a shallow level). That said, before you say this is totally unlike the West, I can't say I am too jazzed about future American elections.
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A French air force member has been accused of plotting an attack against a mosque. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/12/french-air-force-officer-mosque-attack quote:A French air force officer said to hold extreme rightwing views has been accused of planning to attack a mosque as worshippers celebrated the end of Ramadan. Severe rise of Islamophobia: quote:A report published in July recorded 108 attacks – including the use of violence, fire and damage – compared with 80 reported in the first half of 2012. The number of threats and insults rose from 63 in 2012 to 84 this year. But hey, Hollande has to go after those sweet, sweet Le Pen votes: quote:The French government is considering legislation to ban headscarves and other religious symbols in universities and higher education establishments. A similar ban already covers state schools. Edit: apparently it's from the High Council of Integration (responsible for the state schools ban on religious garb), and not from the government itself, still it's pretty loving mental. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Aug 12, 2013 |
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Do any of these neo nazi groups have any manifesto's or writings or are they still in the loving immigrants  stage?edit: On another note having trouble finding fascist writings that aren't Hilter (which is loving great from a gently caress fascism standpoint but not so much from an academic point of view. Anyone know any? SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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Yes, but they don't call label themselves that though, and tend to view themselves as more civilized and intellectual than their street thug and hooligan allies. You'll find them calling themselves "Nouvelle Droite", "Radical Traditionalist", "Alternative Right", "anti-Modernist" or something like that.
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SirKibbles posted:edit: On another note having trouble finding fascist writings that aren't Hilter (which is loving great from a gently caress fascism standpoint but not so much from an academic point of view. Anyone know any?
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HEGEL CURES THESES posted:Heidegger's Rectory Address (and nothing else, in my opinion--others think he was a Nazi all along, I don't). While I've done a bit of Heidegger I'm nowhere near confident enough to enter the question of Heidegger's Nazism, but I am curious about this (if you know). As far as I understand, what's at least definitely true about Heidegger's comments on his Nazism is that the Nazis just weren't very fond of him. I was told that if you want a model of a 'Nazi philosopher' it's pretty much the exact opposite of Heidegger, a sort of British empiricist-type 'scientific racist,' who'd probably dismiss Heidegger as writing overcomplicated nonsense. I'm mostly curious because, if true, it would be an interesting demonstration of the way Nazism wasn't all that Germanic or anti-modern.
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:While I've done a bit of Heidegger I'm nowhere near confident enough to enter the question of Heidegger's Nazism, but I am curious about this (if you know). As far as I understand, what's at least definitely true about Heidegger's comments on his Nazism is that the Nazis just weren't very fond of him. I was told that if you want a model of a 'Nazi philosopher' it's pretty much the exact opposite of Heidegger, a sort of British empiricist-type 'scientific racist,' who'd probably dismiss Heidegger as writing overcomplicated nonsense. As for what this has to do with Heidegger in particular? I agree with you. Not to mention that the secret police monitored his lectures from, I think, '42 onward--not a vote of confidence in Heidegger as a "Nazi philosopher," and it's possible to read "late Heidegger" (the rejection of the will to power in his Nietzsche lectures, the 60s) as a reaction against everything Nazism had meant to him. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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Here's some scary poo poo from the country with the most direct form of democracy in the world. Switzerland Passes Racial Apartheid Laws (don't just read the excerpts, click on the article because it has a lot of informative links) quote:In June, 80% of Swiss voters backed government plans to place tougher rules on those seeking asylum in the nation. These rules mean people can no longer seek asylum for being conscientious objectors or deserting foreign militaries – this mainly targets African asylum seekers fleeing conscription in Eritrea.
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:While I've done a bit of Heidegger I'm nowhere near confident enough to enter the question of Heidegger's Nazism, but I am curious about this (if you know). As far as I understand, what's at least definitely true about Heidegger's comments on his Nazism is that the Nazis just weren't very fond of him. I was told that if you want a model of a 'Nazi philosopher' it's pretty much the exact opposite of Heidegger, a sort of British empiricist-type 'scientific racist,' who'd probably dismiss Heidegger as writing overcomplicated nonsense. One dude who was a competent philosopher and turned out to be a die-hard Nazi was Ernst Mally, who wrote some stuff on Alexius Meinong's object theory and influenced Terence Parsons and Edward Zalta's work on nonexistent objects, but none of that has anything to do with Nazis. I would imagine Mally's Nazi stuff is execrable philosophy, but I can't be bothered to dig through obscure journals and translate poo poo just to confirm a hunch. One fun discovery was that the super-awesome philosopher Gottlob Frege was a super-lovely fascist (though he died about a decade before Hitler became Chancellor)! By massive coincidence, Michael Dummett, a major anti-racist activist in Britain and a great philosopher in his own right, was one of the best Frege scholars around, and was absolutely heartbroken when he read Frege's diaries because of the sheer shittiness that was Frege's beliefs.
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Zewle posted:All fascism is a rightwing response to the breakdown of a market society. The machinery of capitalism creates fascism like an abusive parent, socialism is the attempt to do better, fascism just beats its kids worse. That capitalism is simply capitalism at its worst also ignores the extent to which actual fascist regimes came to to blows with capitalism. Fascist regimes never abolished private property, but the regimes also involved themselves in the economy at a level only seen in capitalist economies during total war mobilization. Then the regimes combined that with mass organizations in the form of state-run youth, sport, technology programs, etc. The big business conglomerates were left intact but lost control over state policy. I think it's better to see fascists as a kind of counter-reformation to the socialist movement's reformation. It attempts to build a fundamentally new kind of order but it has an uneasy and contradictory relationship with the old one. There's also a crazy Maoist named J. Sakai who described Nazism as "shocking techno-culture of mass worship and violent mass re-identification." If it's the product of the machinery of capitalism, then maybe it's like what happens to a washing machine when you throw a concrete cinder block into it.
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Omi-Polari posted:The libertarian movement in the U.S. is a great example of a fusion of extreme capitalist ideology combined with ultranationalism, anti-egalitarianism, etc. But this isn't true for fascist movements everywhere.
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HEGEL CURES THESES posted:If fascism is palingenetic populist ultranationalism with a violence fetish and a fixation on mythical ultra-realities, then libertarianism is not fascist, they're just douches. How do you call them nationalist at all, let alone ultranationalist? Are you talking about the libertarianism that libertarians like to pretend is real or libertarianism as actually practiced in the US?
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Pope Guilty posted:Are you talking about the libertarianism that libertarians like to pretend is real or libertarianism as actually practiced in the US?
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HEGEL CURES THESES posted:Their theory. This may have been a mistake on my part. honestly the Tea Party is the closest America's had to a fascist movement but they're far too old be a threat. Plus their demographics aren't the typical fascist base (although this could always change due to a shrinking middle class)and are really too old to be a threat. The only libertarians who even come close to fascist thought is paeleo libertarians. Overall I don't see America falling to fascism anytime soon fascism is too dependent on making the market give successions to the workers for America's blood compared to Europe. This is on top of the fact that the start of America's Golden Age is built on top of kicking the poo poo out of Nazi's and that the last attempt for a fascist coup backfired super horribly,and I think America will always be this sort of psudeo fascism without outside influence or rich folks actively pushing for it. edit: Then again Russia has the same sort of history and that didn't really stop them,but Russia's basically been an oligarchy for ages so that might be the difference. SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:While I've done a bit of Heidegger I'm nowhere near confident enough to enter the question of Heidegger's Nazism, but I am curious about this (if you know). As far as I understand, what's at least definitely true about Heidegger's comments on his Nazism is that the Nazis just weren't very fond of him. I was told that if you want a model of a 'Nazi philosopher' it's pretty much the exact opposite of Heidegger, a sort of British empiricist-type 'scientific racist,' who'd probably dismiss Heidegger as writing overcomplicated nonsense.
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There is a really wonderful book called "Bestseller" by the complicated British communist Claud Cockburn. It is a review of the books that were popular, rather than critically popular, in Britain at the time. It shows vicious, prevalent anti-semitism, extreme nationalism, etc. It is very easy to imagine that if Britain had been as economically devastated as Germany was at the time, that Fascism could have risen there, too, based on the popularity of books with very pro-fascist themes.
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I just want to say that the posters who explained how fascism operates with regards to being solely an instrument of being violence did a far better job than I could in sending that message because I have a lot of issues close to me about it. With that said, I stand by my gently caress fascists, fight em when they march and for God's sake can the US pass a hate speech law like most of the loving developed world already?
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LP97S posted:I just want to say that the posters who explained how fascism operates with regards to being solely an instrument of being violence did a far better job than I could in sending that message because I have a lot of issues close to me about it. With that said, I stand by my gently caress fascists, fight em when they march and for God's sake can the US pass a hate speech law like most of the loving developed world already? It should be free game for anyone marching as a dam fascist. It started one of the most destructive wars in modern history. The view that 'WHITES ARE BETTER THEN ALL RACES!' is a backward theory, and is dis proven time and time again. Jesse Owens winning the 100m at the German Olympics proved that 
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Can you explain why a British empiricist-type would mean Nazism wasn't all that Germanic? I'm not that knowledgeable about philosophy, but I find it interesting nonetheless. Both of these meanings could work in that statement. If it's (1), the Nazis are only tangentially interested in German Idealism. Where they are influenced by it (nationalism a la Fichte, making a world of meaning out of your own stance toward things a la Nietzsche) it's interesting, but large chunks of the discussion seems to pass them by. They're interested in science, or the idea of science and the appearance of technology (the SS adopted the Luger because Himmler thought it looked like a sci-fi ray gun), not so much in "why there is something and not nothing" or in "the movements of Spirit." And forget telling some brownshirt barroom meathead that the world he sees around him isn't "real." If it's (2), that's more complex--the German intellectual landscape at the time is heavily focused on discussions of its own heritage, and a lot of Nazis cared about what "Germanness" meant in the historical context, which could also involve adopting "German" rather than "foreign" ideas/philosophy. But that was a dicey idea: if we're talking about "Aryanness," that included India--also the brown parts? no? in what way?--and if we're talking about "Nordicness," that included the Nordic countries, whether or not Germany was at war with them. On the other hand, certain members of the Nazi high command, Hitler most notably among them, didn't seem to give a single poo poo about the ancient Teutons and their hypothetical belief system, or about using that hypothetical belief system as a model for the present. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Aug 14, 2013 |
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HEGEL CURES THESES posted:In this context, "Germanic" means one of two things: (1) within the German philosophical tradition that stretches either from Kant to Nietzsche, from Kant to Heidegger, or from the post-Kantians to either of them (depending on how you define a bunch of things/how much of an angry sperg you are) or (2) invested in the idea of "Germanness" that was promulgated in the nineteenth century and which informed a bunch of strains of thought that went on to make up Nazism.
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LP97S posted:and for God's sake can the US pass a hate speech law like most of the loving developed world already?
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