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SynthOrange posted:John's retconning his own retcons. A stable time loop.
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Isn't this going to make no sense at all to archival readers now that the earlier panels have been changed?
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Aug 11, 2013 14:07
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Why is John trying to murder the Mayor?
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Aug 11, 2013 14:10
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Suaimhneas posted:Isn't this going to make no sense at all to archival readers now that the earlier panels have been changed? No because the events still happen as they originally did, you just see John popping up in the background and then getting stopped by himself.
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Aug 11, 2013 14:11
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No! No! One John is enough! ONE JOHN IS ENOUGH!
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Oxxidation posted:No! No! One John is enough! ONE JOHN IS ENOUGH! "Hello John." "Hello John!" "Hello." "Hello John." "Hello John!" "Hello John."
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Aug 11, 2013 14:49
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I'm actually kinda interested in how past and future John will interact. Will they hate each other like Karkat or will they be best buds or something.
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Aug 11, 2013 16:05
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Well, the glitches got decoded and it turns out the Felt are totally gay. Like SO gay you guys you don't understand. "But what about my Snowman/Crowbar feels?"  -Actual Tumblr User
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I almost want to ask the translated text to be posted here, but I feel like that'd get the entire thing shut down.
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Aug 11, 2013 16:19
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Burkion posted:I almost want to ask the translated text to be posted here, but I feel like that'd get the entire thing shut down. quote:While their romance is endlessly captiv8ting, leprechaun Most of the "graphic depictions" are just Dave's smuppet rant and is mostly black bars... ...Of course this means that Bro was in the Leprechaun Porn industry
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Aug 11, 2013 16:23
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Theoretically, could John prevent himself from touching the juju in the first place? What would happen then?
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Dark Grapefruit posted:Theoretically, could John prevent himself from touching the juju in the first place? What would happen then? A glitch in paradox space.
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Dark Grapefruit posted:Theoretically, could John prevent himself from touching the juju in the first place? What would happen then? That timeline would become a beta-Alpha timeline where nothing else changes but everyone really likes vegimite and/or marmite.
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Aug 12, 2013 00:35
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Dark Grapefruit posted:Theoretically, could John prevent himself from touching the juju in the first place? What would happen then? I'm not sure that merely altering the past is enough to overcome the ability to alter the continuity. Like, John's power is clearly based on existing outside the webcomic right now. So I think he would have to go further than merely changing the course of events within the comic. Like crashing the servers that Homestuck is hosted on.
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Aug 12, 2013 01:03
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Wow, Jane's a better businesswoman than I thought. Got that poo poo into stores, even!
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Aug 13, 2013 05:20
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I like how the Equius color is also the STRONGEST looking bottle.
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Dark Grapefruit posted:Theoretically, could John prevent himself from touching the juju in the first place? What would happen then? Since John's existence is now like sanctioned outside of all continuity, going back in time to stop himself from using the Juju would have no effect on John's meta existence, but at the same time it would cause past John to not become Meta John. By stopping himself from making contact with the Juju John creates two legitimate alpha versions of himself: meta john and not-meta john. I think.
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So now there's Alpha, Beta, and Meta versions of John, eh?
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DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:Since John's existence is now like sanctioned outside of all continuity, going back in time to stop himself from using the Juju would have no effect on John's meta existence, but at the same time it would cause past John to not become Meta John. By stopping himself from making contact with the Juju John creates two legitimate alpha versions of himself: meta john and not-meta john. OK, so then what happens if the newly split meta John goes back to stop himself from stopping himself from using the juju? Basically what I'm asking here is if it's possible that we could be looking at a situation that results in infinite Johns.
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Ape Has Killed Ape posted:OK, so then what happens if the newly split meta John goes back to stop himself from stopping himself from using the juju? Basically what I'm asking here is if it's possible that we could be looking at a situation that results in infinite Johns. Again, the point of John as a meta-entity is that there is nothing that John can do within the confines of the comic that would prevent his existence outside of it. As an entity that exists outside the literal frame of the comic, he is closer to the reality of the real world than anything else in Homestuck. He is literally the most important thing in Homestuck right now, short of Hussie the author (as opposed to Hussie the character) Edit: I don't think stopping himself from using the Juju would create a new not-meta John, at best it would merely disconnect his meta powers from the weird house icon. Instead, he would have suddenly gotten meta powers for no discernable reason. A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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Aug 13, 2013 09:53
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Or you'd have regular John and meta John. It's Pickle Inspectors all over again.
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A big flaming stink posted:Again, the point of John as a meta-entity is that there is nothing that John can do within the confines of the comic that would prevent his existence outside of it. As an entity that exists outside the literal frame of the comic, he is closer to the reality of the real world than anything else in Homestuck. He is literally the most important thing in Homestuck right now, short of Hussie the author (as opposed to Hussie the character) Does this mean that if someone actually put the money for the kickstarter for their fantroll to be the most important character, they would have used the artifact?
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I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be disappointed if John actually uses this power to alter the plot of the comic in some significant way by changing past events. It'd be a pretty blatant deus ex machina. That said, I only said "pretty sure" because honestly Hussie could probably pull it off and make me like it. e: Come to think of it, going back in time and saving Calliope before she ever got killed would be a pretty obvious way to defeat Lord English via forcing him to experience loquacius fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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loquacius posted:e: Come to think of it, going back in time and saving Calliope before she ever got killed would be a pretty obvious way to defeat Lord English via forcing him to experience I'm not sure I agree on the lazy part, but given the running theme of growing up in the story I wouldn't be surprised if that were somehow part of it, or in some way tied into it. I mean, to have the heroes beat the antagonist by making him grow up would be immensely unfulfilling unless the heroes themselves have managed to grow up themselves first. Trebuchet King fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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That'd still be an incomplete exploitation of John's power, because it's largely just time travel. I fully expect that the payoff will be something completely off the (fourth) wall.
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A layer of reality that extends beyond even Hussie's realm. Turns out us humans were never the audience, just part of the story, and John will momentarily see the real audience that reads Homestuck.
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Thundarr posted:That'd still be an incomplete exploitation of John's power, because it's largely just time travel. I fully expect that the payoff will be something completely off the (fourth) wall. It's not technically time travel if you exist outside time itself (granted, we don't know if this is really john's case for sure) and are unaffected by continuity. It would just seem like time travel to everybody else, but not for the "traveler". So it really IS kind of different from Aradia and Dave's powers. It's more like, say, the painter outside of the painting, interacting with the canvas. Wow what a bad example.
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Level Slide posted:A layer of reality that extends beyond even Hussie's realm. Turns out us humans were never the audience, just part of the story, and John will momentarily see the real audience that reads Homestuck. And then will proceed to kill himself after seeing the fan base.
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Thundarr posted:That'd still be an incomplete exploitation of John's power, because it's largely just time travel. I fully expect that the payoff will be something completely off the (fourth) wall. Homestuck gets wrapped up in Daily Dinosaur Comics.
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Blackheart posted:It's not technically time travel if you exist outside time itself (granted, we don't know if this is really john's case for sure) and are unaffected by continuity. It would just seem like time travel to everybody else, but not for the "traveler". So it really IS kind of different from Aradia and Dave's powers. For the purpose of the narration it'd still functionally be time travel, albeit a form that is unconstrained by Sburb's limitations as imposed by Lord English (any time travel that would interfere with LE's desired timeline is doomed to failure). There must be far more interesting applications for continuity-mancy than that.
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So, Kanpire's drinking problem. What are the odds we'll get some call-backs featuring Rose's drunk expressions on Kanaya?
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Thwack! posted:And then will proceed to kill himself after seeing the fan base. Well, you almost got it.
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Well, looks like Homestuck's just about over. It was a fun ride everyone. Goodbye.
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Aug 13, 2013 21:27
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The dot on John's forehead will turn out to be significant. Vital to the plot, even.
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Aug 13, 2013 21:31
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Was wondering how long it'd take for this callback to happen.
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Aug 13, 2013 21:31
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Who's this douchebag? It is you, the reader.
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Blackheart posted:The dot on John's forehead will turn out to be significant. Vital to the plot, even. What dot?  EDIT: What the gently caress, that's like a pixel, I was expecting something bigger 
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Not a callback I was expecting.
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Color Printer posted:What dot?  THIS DOT EDIT: WHOOOPS, little bit late there KaosMachina fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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Oh no, dotgate! The secret's out John, pack it up, Homestuck's over. But seriously, I wonder if this going to be a transition back to Caliborn, or if Hussie's gonna introduce another level of meta bullshit or what's going on here.
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