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AreWeDrunkYet posted:blah blah blah liquidity blah blah price discovery blah blah Yeah, that's not any more or less legitimate than the stockmarket already was really. The real problem is the massive volatility created because it's being done by very fallible computer programs.
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There is one way to solve the size-of-Africa problem with the Mercator projection: reorient the cylinder so Africa is near the poles, giving it an infinite area!  
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Mercator's version of the arctic is one of my favorite things!   My rough translation of the first map: quote:Green continent: The errata being from a letter from Mercator to John Dee. Read more here. More good poo poo here as well, a hidden gem of a wiki article. Qwo fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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40 maps that explain the world.
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The whole thing is varying degrees of stupid. I'm not the first to scream "euro centric!" but the first map doesn't think the people in Africa had kingdoms circa 200 AD. Also, wasn't this brought up before but what is Albania doing in the Caucasus? What's worse is I didn't find this by reading The Post, I found it on Facebook with people cheering it on. 
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 Racism is over, we Americans are super tolerant, so sayeth the Washington Post. D&D could publish there own 40 maps that explain the world.
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GreenCard78 posted:Also, wasn't this brought up before but what is Albania doing in the Caucasus? Different place, coincidentally got the same name in a different way. Whatever the people who lived there called their country apparently isn't known, but it certainly wasn't "Albania". (Which also isn't what the other Albanians call their Albania in Albanian.)
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PrinceRandom posted:
This doesn't seem at all right. I was most surprised about Japan actually; I was to believe they had a reputation for xenophobia toward foreign nationals living in Japan (as opposed to tourists or visitors on workterms, but the map specifically asks 'lives') Also apparently India is the most racist place on earth.
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It doesn't seem right because it depicts what people say about themselves rather than how people actually act, which you might think it portrays if you didn't think very hard. Personally I want to know how "race" translates in different languages, it being a western concept that probably gets equated with various local ideas that only approximate its western definition. Like I assume indians hates living next to other races so much because race is translated into caste, or maybe caste/religion/language? Whatever it is I doubt their prejudice is about skin color.
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Poizen Jam posted:This doesn't seem at all right. I was most surprised about Japan actually; I was to believe they had a reputation for xenophobia toward foreign nationals living in Japan (as opposed to tourists or visitors on workterms, but the map specifically asks 'lives') It seems like they asked a really stupid poll question and then used it to quantify Racial Tolerance. Maybe it could be called Racial Awareness, as Americans might know enough to avoid answering such an obviously racial question negatively.
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Squalid posted:It doesn't seem right because it depicts what people say about themselves rather than how people actually act, which you might think it portrays if you didn't think very hard. I'd also be curious what the other choices were on that survey. In the U.S. the concept of race is intertwined with a number of other social and cultural characteristics. I think most white suburbanites would be fine with a black cardiac surgeon moving in next door, just as long as his car doesn't have rims, doesn't play loud music, and doesn't have gatherings of other black people in his front yard.
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We had a discussion on Japan earlier in the thread because of a similar map, actually (done by a tourist board or something)- it may seem to do well on the map as a whole, but it's pretty low in terms of developed nations. And yeah, even less than one in twenty Americans openly saying they don't want to live next to someone of a different race is pretty shameful sounding to me. Squalid posted:It doesn't seem right because it depicts what people say about themselves rather than how people actually act, which you might think it portrays if you didn't think very hard. I think we can all agree the map is poo poo, but "race" is not just a western concept- in fact, India's one of the world's most prominent examples of people being historically divided according to skin colour.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:
Hahhaha. The commonwealth games: attended by the UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and no one else. There's like a billion things wrong with that map.
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Koramei posted:
Well that is the smallest block so it is kind of hard to judge where the US falls exactly.
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Squalid posted:Personally I want to know how "race" translates in different languages, it being a western concept that probably gets equated with various local ideas that only approximate its western definition. Like I assume indians hates living next to other races so much because race is translated into caste, or maybe caste/religion/language? Whatever it is I doubt their prejudice is about skin color. Caste and skin color are actually very much correlated in India. Edit: Koramei beat me to it.
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HookShot posted:Hahhaha. Actually, I'm pretty sure that's accurate as far as the Commonwealth Realms go. The list of countries that are Commonwealth Realms (meaning that QEII is still head of state) is considerably shorter than the membership list of the Commonwealth of Nations (which were all under the British crown at some point or other, but may have become Republics since independence, or in a few cases switched to a native monarchy).
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arhra posted:Actually, I'm pretty sure that's accurate as far as the Commonwealth Realms go. The list of countries that are Commonwealth Realms (meaning that QEII is still head of state) is considerably shorter than the membership list of the Commonwealth of Nations (which were all under the British crown at some point or other, but may have become Republics since independence, or in a few cases switched to a native monarchy). Well for one thing the countries of the Commonwealth Realm should be red, because Queen Elizabeth II is the head of state, and not just a figurehead (her representative in Australia, the Governor General, fired the Prime Minister back in the 70s). The "Commonwealth" generally refers to the "Commonwealth of Nations".
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Queen Elizabeth is the United Kingdom's head of state, and she is mostly a figurehead with some powers. And why is Jordan's monarch listed as just head of state? I'm pretty sure King Abdullah plays a pretty active role in governing the country. It's a really stupid map.
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Phlegmish posted:Caste and skin color are actually very much correlated in India. Correlated but not equivalent. There are many ways people divide themselves, and appearance is often one way to distinguish among groups, but race, which is a social category created during the colonial era with only a tenuous relationship to scientific distinctions between human populations, should not necessarily be understood as equal to other tribal/national divisions. This topic has been confused by the tendency of European writers to explain complex social divisions through ill fitting analogies with our own society, and writers/thinkers of the global south to justify/explain their own equally arbitrary social distinctions through the lens of European thought, to the extent of downplaying differences between indigenous and European systems. It seems to me that race has maintained a kind of ideological hegemony through which it can subsume the varied experiences of peoples with prejudice around the globe. Like if a Vietnamese person answered they didn't want to live next door to the Chinese such a prejudice could not be understood as racism in the United States, because they are not understood to constitute different races in this country, although that might not be true (I don't know) in Vietnam. In an example I am more familiar with, what race would you classify a Somali as? For an American it's easy, they are Black Africans. Ask a Somali though and they might self-identify as arabs, which were classified as caucasian for the purposes of American segregation laws. Here's a rather baffling Yahoo Questions link in which several people offer their opinion on what exactly a Somali is: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071007063603AAl7reg quote:Somalis are not black OR arab thats freakin stupid. To stay on topic, here's a cool blog post about the geography of European genetics with some good maps. I'd upload them but imgur is is acting weird. http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/08/31/genetic-map-of-europe-genes-va/
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Different place, coincidentally got the same name in a different way. Whatever the people who lived there called their country apparently isn't known, but it certainly wasn't "Albania". (Which also isn't what the other Albanians call their Albania in Albanian.) A few countries don't. Hungary isn't Hungary in Hungarian either.
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Peanut President posted:A few countries don't. Hungary isn't Hungary in Hungarian either. How does someone get Hungary out of Magyar? Squalid posted:It seems to me that race has maintained a kind of ideological hegemony through which it can subsume the varied experiences of peoples with prejudice around the globe. Like if a Vietnamese person answered they didn't want to live next door to the Chinese such a prejudice could not be understood as racism in the United States, because they are not understood to constitute different races in this country, although that might not be true (I don't know) in Vietnam.  That's still racist in America.
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GreenCard78 posted:How does someone get Hungary out of Magyar? Or Finland out of Suomi or Japan out of Nihon. Those ones have never, ever made sense to me.
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Nihon? I thought it was Nippon? Are 'p' and 'h' similar in Japanese?
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Mister Adequate posted:Thanks for all the posts in response to my question! It's a bit tricky for someone who isn't particularly educated in maths to wrap their head around but I think between all your posts and examples I'm grasping the situation well enough. The best way to wrap your head around it is to imagine actually wrapping something. Picture a big sheet of paper, and how theres no way to wrap it around a sphere without a ton of folds and wrinkles. Then it's a bit easier to picture that in reverse.
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"Japan" is a corruption of a Chinese dialect's pronunciation of the characters for "Nippon" "China" on the other hand, has nothing to do with "Zhongguo", nor "Germany" with "Deutschland" Most cities in Italy have different names in English and Italian. French cities, on the other hand, have the same names in English as they do in French. 
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GreenCard78 posted:Nihon? I thought it was Nippon? Are 'p' and 'h' similar in Japanese? They're synonyms (barring certain nuances). Though yeah, 'p' and 'h' are similar -- orthographically, 'ho' is ほ and 'po' is ぽ, and (quoting Wikipedia) "although Proto-Japanese had a *[p], by Old Japanese it had already become [ɸ] and subsequently [h] during Early Modern Japanese where it remains today".
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esquilax posted:"Japan" is a corruption of a Chinese dialect's pronunciation of the characters for "Nippon" China at least had to do with the ruling dynasty at the time. Apparently Germany may derive from a Celtic word meaning neighbor, so the more you know.
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Further to Armeniachat, here's a poster that is circulated around the Armenian Quarter in Jerusalem: It doesn't show precise borders, but the sheer size of the word Armenia is noticeable. I guess this map is politically motivated, given that Turkey denies the Genocide ever occurred?
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GreenCard78 posted:Nihon? I thought it was Nippon? Are 'p' and 'h' similar in Japanese? The written 日本 is of Chinese origin and combines two characters with multiple ways to read them, and the readings Nihon and Nippon result from these slightly differing readings for the same characters. There are probably thousands of examples of this, particularly for place names and personal names. Nippon always refers to the country itself and properly should never be used in adjectival syntax to refer to people, culture, language etc. The actual original Japanese names for Japan are either 大和 Yamato, or 和国 Wakoku, though this properly only describes the region around what is now Kyoto, as there were several coeval independent kingdoms in other regions of the archipelago such as Azuma or Okinawa with distinct cultures, governments, and languages (or at least dialects). As for the similarity of p and h, I will drastically simplify some things here for brevity, but in early Japanese orthography using derived Japanese script, H, B, and P syllables were all represented using the same characters (ie; ho, bo, and po would all be written ほ, for example) with the correct reading understandable via context. They later introduced something similar to diacritical marks to clarify, so you ended up with ほ for ho, ぼ for bo, and ぽ for po. An easy way to conceptualize this is something like I and J, or U and V in roman script. There's a much longer explanation than this that goes into the details of how basic pronunciation conventions mutated over the centuries leaving artifacts of archaic pronunciations littered throughout modern Japanese with little rhyme or reason. Ultimately, this is not really the place for that, and I am too lazy to actually consult my references and write everything out. EDIT: Beaten on some points, but it's funny as poo poo how we all used ほ for the example since は has all kinds of special baggage that isn't really relevant and would just confuse people. Protocol 5 fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Aug 14, 2013 |
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PrinceRandom posted:
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computer parts posted:Apparently Germany may derive from a Celtic word meaning neighbor, so the more you know. In Europe, these countries' names (e.g. Germany and Hungary) often come more or less directly from Latin and Greek often via names used by peoples that either bordered the geographical location (Germany) or interacted with the tribes that subsequently came to be associated with a geographical location and nation (Hungary). Germany is a fairly simple explanation, likely coming from some Gaulish terms and then modified into "Germania," the usage of which persisted as a place name despite the lack of a consistent German people. Germania was distinct from the names used for the peoples that resided in Germany (for example, the Suebi). Hungary came into Medieval Latin from Medieval Greek, which in turn seems to have borrowed the term from Old Bulgarian, which in turn seems to have received the term from Bulgar-Turkic for a confederacy of which the Magyars may have eventually become the majority group. 
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esquilax posted:"Japan" is a corruption of a Chinese dialect's pronunciation of the characters for "Nippon" English uses 'Germany' by drawing on Greek and Latin for the place name instead of the Germanic roots of either the local language or English itself. English just loves to muddle its etymological roots and sometimes does really odd stuff with foreign names. The Arabic philosopher ibn Sina becomes Avicenna (ah vi senna), which makes sense as a corruption, but ibn Rushd becomes Averroes (ah vare oh ees). Why? Because English says, "gently caress you!" that's why.
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Poizen Jam posted:This doesn't seem at all right. I was most surprised about Japan actually; I was to believe they had a reputation for xenophobia toward foreign nationals living in Japan (as opposed to tourists or visitors on workterms, but the map specifically asks 'lives') The number of foreign nationals living in Japan is so comparatively small, that it rarely comes up, so I'd imagine that the top answers were stuff like "burakumin" or "Yakuza" instead of "foreigners". It would be like someone in Kansas worrying about people living next to people from Vanuatu. (Yes, I am exaggerating)
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That 'are you racist or not' map was a big issue here in Hong Kong. The survey that was given to people had translated everything backwards, showing that 78% of people were hella racist. Obviously, the actual number was 22%, which still sucks but eh.
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MrMenshevik posted:English uses 'Germany' by drawing on Greek and Latin for the place name instead of the Germanic roots of either the local language or English itself. English just loves to muddle its etymological roots and sometimes does really odd stuff with foreign names. The Arabic philosopher ibn Sina becomes Avicenna (ah vi senna), which makes sense as a corruption, but ibn Rushd becomes Averroes (ah vare oh ees). Why? Because English says, "gently caress you!" that's why. To be fair, he's called Averroes in pretty much all European languages. He got that name as a Latinisation of his original one, though I have no idea what the medieval translators were thinking. On the topic of the names for Germany I'll just crosspost this older post of me: quote:Germany has actually a lot of different names depending on what language you're speaking. The country calls itself Deutschland, coming from the Old High German adjective diutisc, "of the people". All Germanic languages with the sole exception of English (and Scots, I guess) derive their name for Germany from that, along with Japanese, Chinese and Vietnamese. The demonym "Dutch" actually stems from that. The English Germany comes from the Latin Germania, which was the collective term for all Germanic tribes used by the Romans (and later on by the tribes themselves). It isn't entirely clear where it comes from, but English shares that origin with lots of other languages like Mongolian, Hebrew or Esperanto. The Spanish derive their name, as you said, from the Alemanni tribe which was the direct neighbour to the Galloromanes of France in the time before the formation of the Frankish kingdom; it entered the French language through that and spread from there throughout the Iberian peninsula, eventually reaching the Arab, Turkish and Persian languages as well. While the Slavic languages have different names for Germany, their adjectives all come from Old Slavic němьcь, "foreigner", which in turn comes from the word for "mute" (as they couldn't speak Slavic). The Hungarian and Romanian languages adopted that term as well. The Finnic languages derive their name for Germany from the Saxon tribe (e.g. Finnish Saksa), Lithuanian and Latvian call it Vokietija and Vacija, respectively - this probably comes from the Skandinavian Vagoth tribe. The Navajo say Bééshbichʼahníí bikéyah ("iron helmet"), as this was the code name for Germany during WWII. Medieval Latin and Greek derived their name from the Teutons and Franks, and in Rwanda and Burundi the names for Germany comes from "Guten Tag" ("Hello"), as this was what they heard the Germans saying to each other during the colonial era. 
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System Metternich posted:To be fair, he's called Averroes in pretty much all European languages. He got that name as a Latinisation of his original one, though I have no idea what the medieval translators were thinking. Nice map, are there other maps for other countries' name?
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I don't know of any, sorry - it's pretty much only Germany that has such a multitude of demonyms as far as I know. The guy who created it also did some other interesting maps, though:   Wikipedia posted:The first official published description of [Danubian endemic familial nephropathy] was made by the Bulgarian nephrologist Dr. Yoto Tanchev and his team in 1956 in the Bulgarian Journal Savremenna Medizina, a priority generally acknowledged by the international nephrological community. Their study was based on a wide screening of inhabitants of the villages around the town of Vratsa, Bulgaria. Their contribution to the understanding of this unusual endemic disease of the kidneys was their description of symptoms which were not typical of common chronic nephritis, i.e., incidence only in adults (no children affected), absence of high blood pressure, xanthochromia of palms and soles (Tanchev's sign), early hypochromic anemia, absence of proteinuria, and slow progression of kidney failure.
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HookShot posted:Or Finland out of Suomi or Japan out of Nihon. Those ones have never, ever made sense to me.
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