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NihilCredo posted:Quick question: in the process of becoming king of Ruthenia, I just subjugated the tribal duke of the Radimichi, and he became a count vassal of mine. However, his county is apparently destined to leave my kingdom, because his underage daughter is still heir to the Tribe of Radimichi duke-level title (which currently has no holder). If the tribal title has no holder then she can never inherit and thus it won't pass from your realm. At least without it bugging out, anyway. One weird, undocumented side effect of the subjugation CB that I've noticed is that you get strong claims on the counties held directly by whoever you subjugate -- as Svipjod I subjugated Ostlandet and got strong claims on Akershus and Vestfold. So you may very well be able to revoke without any tyranny penalty. This was in 1.103, though, so it may have changed in the recent patch. Otherwise the answer, as usual, is stabbing, lots and lots of stabbing 
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Gimmick Account posted:That's really disconcerting. A discrepancy like that shouldn't be possible to happen with the same, untouched installation. Considering I intend to export this game it's actually kind of worryingly small.
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So I'm not sure which thread this would best go in, as the converter is CKII but the result is EUIV. But I am NOT down with my vast norse empire in europe being relegated to the "eastern" teach group. I'm the most advanced empire in the known world, my spies have nowhere to learn technology from as I'm the top. I do not deserve inferior units and a 20% cost penalty!! How does one tweak such things post-export?
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Aug 14, 2013 15:28
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Anyone know why the Customizer DLC hasn't been released yet?
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Baronjutter posted:So I'm not sure which thread this would best go in, as the converter is CKII but the result is EUIV. But I am NOT down with my vast norse empire in europe being relegated to the "eastern" teach group. I'm the most advanced empire in the known world, my spies have nowhere to learn technology from as I'm the top. I do not deserve inferior units and a 20% cost penalty!! The converter works by turning your savegame into a mod, so you're probably going to have to learn how to dig around EU4's guts. Fortunately, Paradox is really cool with mods and keeps nearly all their data in plaintext, so you'll have plenty of resources to advise you on how to do that!
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Aug 14, 2013 15:36
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WilliamAnderson posted:Anyone know why the Customizer DLC hasn't been released yet? It's out for the GG version.
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Aug 14, 2013 16:17
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Allyn posted:If the tribal title has no holder then she can never inherit and thus it won't pass from your realm. At least without it bugging out, anyway.  My would-be king managed to get himself assassinated just before the final war, but the daughter turned out to not be a problem - she kept the title "heir to the tribe" but didn't leave the realm.Now I'm running into a far more bizarre bug, though. Kazimir, the son, managed to complete his father's work despite two duchies passing to his half-brother, but somehow his Russian ethnicity doesn't count as East Slavic  :  I've got some minor mods like Flavourful Titular Titles and Culturally Different Cities that do affect the landed_titles.txt and 00_cultures.txt files, but I've searched all over those files and couldn't find any typo or ways in which they differ from vanilla. I even culture-switched to Swedish (North Germanic) and I still couldn't form the title. Baffling. e: to be clear, I know I could just comment out the requirement line, but I'd love to figure out where the bug comes from first. NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Aug 14, 2013 |
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Has anyone played a new game under 1.11 at the 867 start? I have and the Magyars have taken the entirety of de jure Hungary and Bohemia, plus 1/3 of Poland, yet haven't taken the decision to form the Hungarian nation yet. Wondering if it's just something weird on my end or if it's a bug with the new patch. Also I really, really wish there was a page that let you see the line of succession for each title. Even if it just showed you the entire list as if it was primogeniture even if that's not your actual succession law, that would be excellent. I know you can hover over the title's coat of arms/flag thing and see but it doesn't link you to the people in question, which would be a really handy feature  e: What the, I just loaded up as the Magyars from that save and they don't have the decision at all. Not that it's greyed out, it's just... not there 
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Aug 14, 2013 16:44
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Allyn posted:Also I really, really wish there was a page that let you see the line of succession for each title. Even if it just showed you the entire list as if it was primogeniture even if that's not your actual succession law, that would be excellent. I know you can hover over the title's coat of arms/flag thing and see but it doesn't link you to the people in question, which would be a really handy feature I agree with wanting this feature as well. I hate having to hover over the coat of arms and then figure out who the actual person I need to go stab is. Also sometimes I feel like the coat of arms list does not line up with reality. I guess that has to do with some assumptions on the succession laws? Having links to the people would be helpful for figuring out marriages as well.
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Aug 14, 2013 17:04
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WilliamAnderson posted:Anyone know why the Customizer DLC hasn't been released yet? Out on Steam today: http://steamdb.info/app/226666/#section_history
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Ignore my Hungary thing, it's one of my mods (but I've got no idea which one  )Gimmick Account posted:That's really disconcerting. A discrepancy like that shouldn't be possible to happen with the same, untouched installation. This is apparently getting fixed in a hotfix patch on Friday. Also the customiser DLC is now in store on Steam
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Aug 14, 2013 17:18
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So I really know nothing about this game except a lot of people swear up and down that it's good. I was just going to believe them and leave it at that but then I heard there was a mod for the game to have the whole thing take place in the Elder Scrolls universe and I was pretty much sold on the spot. But from what I understand the game was just patched yesterday and the mod doesn't work with the current patch. Is there a way I can check which version of the game I'm running to be sure? And how would I go about reverting to an older patch?
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Aug 14, 2013 17:43
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Since it's a steam game it auto updates, and there isnt any way to roll back, sorry. Steam really needs to include an "advanced options" section to allow you to roll back patches for games like this that are so mod heavy.
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Aug 14, 2013 17:45
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But I just want to conquer Tamriel...  Ah well. I guess this'll give me time to actually read the LP and actually try the vanilla game. I hopped in completely uninformed for about ten minutes and had no idea what I was doing. I'm assuming that's normal.
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Aug 14, 2013 17:47
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Uh, what setting controls the "oh I'm sorry for being a rat bastard" letters you receive when you tell dudes to knock it off with the plotting? I love the new automatic system, but I'm still clicking through the letters whenever someone starts a new plot and gets shut down.
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Aug 14, 2013 17:51
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Kaubocks posted:But I just want to conquer Tamriel... Trying out vanilla is probably the best way to learn how to play the game. I know several people (myself included) who tried to jump straight into the Game of Thrones mod and got completely lost. Once I turned back to the vanilla mode and tried an Irish and later Iberian start did I begin to get a handle on things.
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Aug 14, 2013 17:53
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Man the whole election system is obtuse as hell for elective monarchies. I understand the basics, everyone of a duke level or higher gets a vote. I believe you get more votes based on more duke titles held. Beyond that though ????? For instance, when you want to change a kingdom law you actually get a tool tip showing exactly how many votes everyone has, this is handy. It's still a pain in the rear end as you can't click on said person but at least you know it's more important to butter up that dude with 8 votes than the guy with 1. But with heir elections I'm never quite sure. My vassals get pissed when I have too many "elector titles" but the actual screen gives me no tool tip or information on how much power each person's vote has, just a number next to the portrait showing the number of supporters. Do multiple duke/jarl level titles give more votes? Do king level titles give more votes as well for emperor elections? I'm currently the Empress of Scandinavia (after a straight line of like 4 female rulers!) and I want absolute power, or something close to it. I have max authority in the empire and high/max authority in all the kingdoms. I don't really care who rules the various kingdoms although I want denmark 100% for my self (and holding all the jarl titles helps, there's never any competition there). So what brutal things can I do to enjoy the most control and security? Is there a way I should be re-structuring my vassals so that who ever I nominate for emperor always wins? At max authority I assume my vassals can't even rebel anymore?
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Aug 14, 2013 17:54
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They can rebel, in fact I think absolute athority makes them more likely to do so.
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Aug 14, 2013 17:59
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Uhg, running a huge empire with all these characters is such a pain, I want absolute control!! My empress has a dream though. Imagine one day if all these lords and mayors and jarls were not considered to be owning the land, but merely administering it for me. But imagine if I didn't "own" the empire either but in fact was also considered to be simply administering it, and that the land, the nation its self was an entity. You're not making a treaty with the Empress of Scandinavia, you're making a treaty with the country! One day this dream of mine will come true, I have a feeling around the early 1400's in fact.
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Yeah, absolute crown authority just makes them unable to fight each other. The only one they can legally bite is you.
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Baronjutter posted:Man the whole election system is obtuse as hell for elective monarchies. NOPE. Not for electing the heir of an elective title. It's one man, one vote, as long as that man has at least a duke title in an elective kingdom/empire. Hover over those numbers in the law screen to see who is voting for which potential heir. People who like the current ruler tend to vote for whoever he chooses, except they're kind of reluctant to vote for children. And the "too many elector titles" thing starts popping up if you, as King, hold more than ONE duchy. Yes, in most other situations they're OK with you holding two, but not in Elective Kingdoms.
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This might be kind of a dumb question but is there anyway to edit or mod all the coat of arms to be available? Or at least make the unique historical ones available for houses of the same culture/religion. I snagged the Dynasty Shields on sale forever ago but they are just locked for playing as existing houses right?
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Canopus250 posted:This might be kind of a dumb question but is there anyway to edit or mod all the coat of arms to be available? Or at least make the unique historical ones available for houses of the same culture/religion. I snagged the Dynasty Shields on sale forever ago but they are just locked for playing as existing houses right? The house arms in vanilla are all real bad.
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Darth Various posted:NOPE. Not for electing the heir of an elective title. It's one man, one vote, as long as that man has at least a duke title in an elective kingdom/empire. haha gently caress, so the more titles I've been taking away in the hopes of getting the majority of votes in fact is only pissing off my vassals and making them LESS likely to vote for my heirs. But... if I some how controlled ALL the jarl level titles... right? gently caress it I'll hold the entire empire in my demesne ! I'm sure my 83/9 demesne limit will work out great. I actually kinda wish something like this was more possible, with the right techs. By EU4 we're dealing with NATIONS rather than characters, but I'd love to see that transition actually modeled in the game. Get your legalism up high enough and you'll become more and more of a pro-modern nation state rather than a disorganized bunch of idiot vassals. Also man, I was really looking forward to the customizer because I love poo poo like that but it's way too expensive. If they priced it like the other useless fluff addons I'd snap it up no problem, but to charge as much as the more expansion-like DLC is insane.
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Also you should probably keep in mind that only de jure duchies have a stake in the elections. So if you go for a big land grab somewhere outside of your kingdom, those will not have a vote. This can be useful if you managed to grab a non de jure holding next to your first duchy, allowing you to have two duchies and no penalty. However, a duchy that comes in through de jure drift will gain become an elector, so you will want to keep that in mind.
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Baronjutter posted:But... if I some how controlled ALL the jarl level titles... right? gently caress it I'll hold the entire empire in my demesne ! I'm sure my 83/9 demesne limit will work out great. I actually kinda wish something like this was more possible, with the right techs. By EU4 we're dealing with NATIONS rather than characters, but I'd love to see that transition actually modeled in the game. Get your legalism up high enough and you'll become more and more of a pro-modern nation state rather than a disorganized bunch of idiot vassals. I think CK2+ actually does this pretty well, simply by having no relationship penalty for having higher Crown Authority (raising still pisses them off). As your grip on the nation grows, you get more manpower and your vassals get more subordinate, but you'll have to fight to tighten that grip. I hope Flippy finds a breakthrough on his laws project for Better Armies. That mod has specific types of buildings for your castles that changed which troop type they provided, and I'm guessing he wanted to control how your vassals designed their holdings (and by extension, your realm's army composition) by tying it to laws. That's a pretty cool thing to model, and I suppose it could lead to even more mechanics that could help you influence your nation more instead of the whole game being strictly about dynasties.
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toasterwarrior posted:I think CK2+ actually does this pretty well, simply by having no relationship penalty for having higher Crown Authority (raising still pisses them off). As your grip on the nation grows, you get more manpower and your vassals get more subordinate, but you'll have to fight to tighten that grip. I always figured that the point of Noble Customs was to offset the Crown Authority penalty, allowing you to do the same as your culture adjusts to more absolute monarchy and a more established class of petty nobles.
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Baronjutter posted:Uhg, running a huge empire with all these characters is such a pain, I want absolute control!! My empress has a dream though. Imagine one day if all these lords and mayors and jarls were not considered to be owning the land, but merely administering it for me. But imagine if I didn't "own" the empire either but in fact was also considered to be simply administering it, and that the land, the nation its self was an entity. You're not making a treaty with the Empress of Scandinavia, you're making a treaty with the country! If you want absolute power, with the realm administered by "governors" rather than feudal lords, you have to give your duchy titles to bishops. Due to all the opinion bonuses you can get from piety, religious traits, and low temple taxation, you can easily have all the prince bishops vote for your chosen heir because they'll all like you. Also, absolute crown authority does not give an opinion malus to bishop vassals because it doesn't apply to non-feudal vassals. But that's really gaming the system there. Also it may take a bit of work to expel all feudal lords, especially if you've inherited the realm rather than holy-warring for it.
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fool_of_sound posted:I always figured that the point of Noble Customs was to offset the Crown Authority penalty, allowing you to do the same as your culture adjusts to more absolute monarchy and a more established class of petty nobles. Yeah, but it's really crap at it though, and that's coming from the new tech system which allows you some control over it. What're the numbers: -30 from Absolute, +12 from the final level of Noble Customs? poo poo, that is definitely not worth the investment at all, and you're still going catch hell with every new ruler from the combined assult of Short Reign and Absolute CA.
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What's a good mod that merely adds more cultures and doesn't change titles or the map at all? Converting CK2 to EU4 and seeing all of the HRE dominated by 'GERMAN', as opposed to vanilla's Hessian, Bavarian, etc., is rather dispiriting.
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I thought kingdoms get changed to the rules you set for your primary duchy when you get them? I got an invasion started for Lotharingia and ended up with goddamn gavelkind succession because of it.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:I thought kingdoms get changed to the rules you set for your primary duchy when you get them? I got an invasion started for Lotharingia and ended up with goddamn gavelkind succession because of it. Your highest title takes precedence. Pretty sure it doesn't actually change the laws for the lower title. Of course Kingdoms are an exception and are all separate under your empire.
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DrSunshine posted:If you want absolute power, with the realm administered by "governors" rather than feudal lords, you have to give your duchy titles to bishops. Due to all the opinion bonuses you can get from piety, religious traits, and low temple taxation, you can easily have all the prince bishops vote for your chosen heir because they'll all like you. Also, absolute crown authority does not give an opinion malus to bishop vassals because it doesn't apply to non-feudal vassals. I don't know why people feel the need to have absolute power. I always set mine to medium, and high only occasionally. I'd actually like to see in CKIII the option to be forced to do sign a Magna Carta of some sort, like basically creating some sort of "legislative" body, or being able to call as 'Diet.'
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:I thought kingdoms get changed to the rules you set for your primary duchy when you get them? I got an invasion started for Lotharingia and ended up with goddamn gavelkind succession because of it. They do if you create the title, but not if you usurp it.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I don't know why people feel the need to have absolute power. I always set mine to medium, and high only occasionally. Try playing an emperor with vassal kings. You'll quickly learn why they must not be allowed to increase their own powerbases.
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EightDeer posted:Try playing an emperor with vassal kings. You'll quickly learn why they must not be allowed to increase their own powerbases. Not unless you're increasing your powerbase faster than they are! The ABC's of Empire administration: Always Be Conquering.
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DrSunshine posted:If you want absolute power, with the realm administered by "governors" rather than feudal lords, you have to give your duchy titles to bishops. Due to all the opinion bonuses you can get from piety, religious traits, and low temple taxation, you can easily have all the prince bishops vote for your chosen heir because they'll all like you. Also, absolute crown authority does not give an opinion malus to bishop vassals because it doesn't apply to non-feudal vassals. It is usually worth the trouble of going through and revoking every single holding, and then redoing them all as new church vassals. You'll be stuck with an entire generation of people that vehemently hate your guts, but all your new vassals won't know about your past transgressions and love you just fine.
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So where exactly ingame do you access the customizer for the different things it can change? Edit: So far found the family name one but none of the others, really impressive to have to just search for this poo poo. Canopus250 fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Aug 14, 2013 |
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Canopus250 posted:So where exactly ingame do you access the customizer for the different things it can change? I know you can change dynasty names from the dynasty tree page, no idea on realm name changes though.
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