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Ultimate Comics Universe Reborn: Cook it all up, Feed it to Galactus
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Aug 15, 2013 21:09
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It could be a semi-fakeout - the ending of Spider-men, the 616-Ultimates crossover, had Peter Parker idly googling for 'his' Miles Morales and doing an exaggerated  .EDIT:  Man, that looks creepy as poo poo out of context. Squidster fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Aug 15, 2013 |
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Aug 15, 2013 21:19
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:From the general marvel thread: You don't need to spoiler code solicits and if it was legit or any kind of lasting change Marvel would have spoiled it in mainstream media by now.
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Aug 15, 2013 21:25
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Waterhaul posted:You don't need to spoiler code solicits and if it was legit or any kind of lasting change Marvel would have spoiled it in mainstream media by now. I don't think the mainstream media understands that there's different universes, though.
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Aug 15, 2013 21:28
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Lurdiak posted:I don't think the mainstream media understands that there's different universes, though. They don't but that's never stopped Marvel from pushing it to USAtoday/whomever will give them attention. Mainstream media don't give a poo poo about Angela (well nobody cares about Angela) but that didn't stop the end of Age of Ultron being spoiled months in advance to build hype.
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Aug 15, 2013 21:32
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Waterhaul posted:They don't but that's never stopped Marvel from pushing it to USAtoday/whomever will give them attention. Mainstream media don't give a poo poo about Angela (well nobody cares about Angela) but that didn't stop the end of Age of Ultron being spoiled months in advance to build hype. Angela was suppose to be a big secret though, I don't think this is if they are going to reveal it in the solicits.
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Aug 15, 2013 22:54
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Wow Bendis is not too happy about all this ending the Ultimate Universe talk:
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Aug 15, 2013 23:51
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I don't really see what his issue here is. People report stuff? People speculate? Yeah, duh. I mean is there something in particular that set him off?
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Aug 16, 2013 00:01
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don't really see what his issue here is. People report stuff? People speculate? Yeah, duh. I mean is there something in particular that set him off? A lot of people in the industry seem to act like speculation, rumors and leaks never happened before the internet. Then they get mad about it? I don't get it either.
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Aug 16, 2013 00:05
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That really bothers me because he seems like a nice dude most of the time and then he goes and acts like a jackass about that.
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Aug 16, 2013 00:07
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The only problem I have is that the companies are completely ready to promote the next thing in explicit detail months ahead of the current thing -that is set to reveal the next thing in storyline- is out, so nothing is ever a surprise if you follow comics news.
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Aug 16, 2013 00:23
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Teenage Fansub posted:The only problem I have is that the companies are completely ready to promote the next thing in explicit detail months ahead of the current thing -that is set to reveal the next thing in storyline- is out, so nothing is ever a surprise if you follow comics news. Yeah, Bendis seems to be blaming the wrong group here. Marvel (and DC as well) are the main reasons these kind of things happen in the detail they do. They want us to do this, you can't be mad when we do.
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Aug 16, 2013 00:30
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hey Bendis, this is what your own solicits are hyping, so uh, chill? http://www.ultimatecomicsuniverse.com/
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Aug 16, 2013 00:38
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It's easy to see where the dude is coming from you want to write a story and let it speak for itself but people won't stop bugging you to confirm or deny how they think it's going to end. If you don't say anything people take it as confirmation but if you deny it you rob your story of tension. That poo poo has got to get to you eventually. While speculation and spoilers long predate the internet readers and writers have much more access to each other now then ever before. Gone are the days where you just stop opening mail and relax you are now expected to play PR guy all the time. One outburst doesn't an rear end in a top hat make. I'm pretty frustrated by the rumor because it'd be mind numbingly stupid, like DC editorial "gently caress you I'ma break everything!" level stupid, to kill Ultimate Spider-man when it still moves the numbers and gets the critical acclaim it does.
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Aug 16, 2013 01:28
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SirDan3k posted:to kill Ultimate Spider-man when it still moves the numbers and gets the critical acclaim it does. I bet the intention is to carry the book over and blam the rest, seeing as it's the one well regarded thing in the place. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Aug 16, 2013 |
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Aug 16, 2013 05:06
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Teenage Fansub posted:I bet the intention is to carry the book over and blam the rest, seeing as it's the one well regarded thing in the place. Nobody has been able to give a good reason why they would bother carrying Miles over into the 616 and stripping him of almost his entire supporting cast. The Mayday Parker Spider-Girl was the only comic set in MU2 or whatever it was called for years by virtue of fan support, Ult. Spider-man has fan, critic and finical support. I mean Loeb's not ghost writing the event is he?
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Aug 16, 2013 06:08
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Fialkov has turned things around pretty drat quick and if given the chance I can see his run being pretty well-regarded.
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Aug 16, 2013 06:10
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I have really no issue with what Bendis said there. He's just frustrated that people are writing off the end of the story as killing the Ultimate Universe before he's really even got the story going. It's gotta be frustrating being bombarded with that poo poo all the time. I feel what he said there was fine.
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Aug 16, 2013 06:33
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Deadpool posted:I have really no issue with what Bendis said there. He's just frustrated that people are writing off the end of the story as killing the Ultimate Universe before he's really even got the story going. It's gotta be frustrating being bombarded with that poo poo all the time. I feel what he said there was fine. The problem, for me at least, wasn't with his message so much as how unnecessarily rude he was.
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Aug 16, 2013 07:01
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I don't think they brought Fialkov over just to break everything.
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Aug 16, 2013 07:12
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WickedHate posted:The problem, for me at least, wasn't with his message so much as how unnecessarily rude he was. I didn't find him rude at all, just frustrated.
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Aug 16, 2013 07:16
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Soonmot posted:I didn't find him rude at all, just frustrated. I could be reading it wrong.  I don't really care all that much. He's still an alright guy most of the time anyway.
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Aug 16, 2013 07:20
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Deadpool posted:I have really no issue with what Bendis said there. He's just frustrated that people are writing off the end of the story as killing the Ultimate Universe before he's really even got the story going. It's gotta be frustrating being bombarded with that poo poo all the time. I feel what he said there was fine. Well it's his own fault. Both he and Marvel are hyping Hunger and it's aftermath as possibly the end of the Ultimate Universe which some people will not be happy about. Of course people are going to speculate and get worked up over it. If he didn't want people to keep bugging him or asking him if it's the end of the Ultimate Universe he could either answer them or just ignore them. He's also what +10 years writing for Marvel in a major capacity. He should know how to professionally deal with this poo poo by now.
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Aug 16, 2013 08:59
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Soonmot posted:I didn't find him rude at all, just frustrated. You can be both? Though really it sounded more like a childish temper tantrum than anything else.
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Aug 16, 2013 10:29
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Soonmot posted:I didn't find him rude at all, just frustrated. Agree. Like, Bendis has been getting poked at for a long time with this. This wasn't him going off at one guy, this was the straw that made the camel call someone out on their poo poo. We've been told time and again that this universe isn't going anywhere but apparently everyone drops their poo poo at the first indication that something might change.
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Aug 16, 2013 16:24
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Skwirl posted:I don't think they brought Fialkov over just to break everything. He's definitely given me hope for the Ultimate line but I still think we're going for a reset of sorts. Between Ultimates, X-Men, and now Hunger the Ultimate Universe is going hosed beyond repair.
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Aug 16, 2013 16:28
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:He's definitely given me hope for the Ultimate line but I still think we're going for a reset of sorts. Between Ultimates, X-Men, and now Hunger the Ultimate Universe is going hosed beyond repair. I hope they fix it a bit. Right now its a hellhole and getting eaten by Galactus might be a favor. I hope this is what Ultimatium was suppose to be - a shake up.
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Aug 16, 2013 16:57
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Some rebuilding needs to done. Through all the stuff that's happened there's not much of an Ultimate Earth left to save.
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Aug 16, 2013 17:11
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Dacap posted:Some rebuilding needs to done. Through all the stuff that's happened there's not much of an Ultimate Earth left to save. At this point the only safe place to be in the Ultimate Universe New York City? That is how horrible everywhere else is.
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Aug 16, 2013 17:48
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I'd be ok with them killing the entire Ultimate Universe and using the Infinity gems to rebuild it. Its kind of a cop out but it gets around the sheer immensity of the logistics issues of having most of the planet being offline/blowed up. Right now Ultimate Earth is a pretty hosed place to live. I think Australia is the only place that hasn't suffered some kind of continental level catastrophe.
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Aug 16, 2013 19:44
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Sion posted:Agree. Like, Bendis has been getting poked at for a long time with this. This wasn't him going off at one guy, this was the straw that made the camel call someone out on their poo poo. We've been told time and again that this universe isn't going anywhere but apparently everyone drops their poo poo at the first indication that something might change. Because comic book writers lie, a lot. for completely understandable reasons, but lets not pretend them putting their footdown actually means something.
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Aug 16, 2013 19:56
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CharlestheHammer posted:Because comic book writers lie, a lot. for completely understandable reasons, but lets not pretend them putting their footdown actually means something. Remember, Spider-man's unmasking is permanent and irreversible, and he never made a deal with the devil.
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Aug 16, 2013 20:01
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Lurdiak posted:Remember, Spider-man's unmasking is permanent and irreversible, and he never made a deal with the devil. It certainly won't be undone by a magic retcon, no sir.
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Aug 16, 2013 20:11
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WickedHate posted:It certainly won't be undone by a magic retcon, no sir. And you people who though Luke's kid was a Skrull are just crazy.
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Aug 16, 2013 22:01
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What was the initial need for the Ultimate Universe? Hasn't the Now initiative sort of served the simplifying, new reader friendly thing again? If Now accomplished it's goals and now Ultimate is now the thing more steeped in continuity and non inclusive, it might not serve a purpose for them.
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Aug 17, 2013 00:19
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Teenage Fansub posted:What was the initial need for the Ultimate Universe? Hasn't the Now initiative sort of served the simplifying, new reader friendly thing again? That's probably why it's all going to hell in there. Imagine any of that happening in the main universe. Well, it'd probably all get undone. But the Ultimate universe feels like a classic alternate universe now. It's stopped even trying to resemble the main universe and is going absolutely nutters. And that is it's purpose, for now. It reminds me of reading eXiles.
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Aug 17, 2013 00:39
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Teenage Fansub posted:What was the initial need for the Ultimate Universe? Hasn't the Now initiative sort of served the simplifying, new reader friendly thing again? Not really, Marvel now can't really (well it can but they don't want to) expunge any continuity, which is really what simplifying it meant. The problem is creating a new universe that is going to run any amount of time and it will ultimately become exactly what it was created to avoid. It was really a concept doomed to failure in the long term.
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Aug 17, 2013 00:43
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Now didn't get rid of continuity, but every new story seems designed to not make you worry about it at all. e: To be clear, I'm not defending destroying something that enough people are invested in. Just sorting out the rationale behind it. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Aug 17, 2013 |
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Aug 17, 2013 00:47
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Teenage Fansub posted:Now didn't get rid of continuity, but every new story seems designed to not make you worry about it at all. Yeah that is ultimately possible with any story and really (besides marketing) its not really something unique to the Now! Line. Hell even books in the Now line will refer to past issues runs because it would be a waste not to. The ulimate Universe was an attempt to make sure stuff like that didn't happen. And in part, ways to retell stories or revert characters (I believe they call it modernizing) that wouldn't really work in the Main U.
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Aug 17, 2013 00:53
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah that is ultimately possible with any story and really (besides marketing) its not really something unique to the Now! Line. Hell even books in the Now line will refer to past issues runs because it would be a waste not to. The ulimate Universe was an attempt to make sure stuff like that didn't happen. And in part, ways to retell stories or revert characters (I believe they call it modernizing) that wouldn't really work in the Main U. The UU outgrew it's original purpose in 2009. Since then it's taken on a new form as the universe that can "do what the 616 can't." Which is good, because you can't retell old stories forever. That's not sustainable.
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Aug 17, 2013 01:58
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