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I can't believe it's 2013 and there's still people blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. But then someone posted an EDF Energy twitter picture earlier and people seemed to be blaming them for the EDL riots last night so in conclusion our country is full of utter loving retards.
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# ? May 23, 2013 13:34 |
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Iridium posted:Well there's your problem. Well yeah, I know, but it has a great number of users and that's kinda useful if you want to make stuff popular. He also replied to me with this: "Looks like we found another Scally still in self-denial." Heh.
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# ? May 23, 2013 14:48 |
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Adulterous Hitler posted:So I posted this on reddit (yeah) to get some attention to it and I get this gem in response: Post it in the form of a meme or put a cat in there somewhere and it'll gets loads of coverage
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# ? May 23, 2013 15:40 |
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The subreddit for Liverpool is really great for getting information/stats/things like "what if" charts, but any actual discussion is not even worth reading.
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# ? May 23, 2013 16:54 |
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I've gone through the whole thread but couldn't see this posted. Warninig It contains some graphic images that I'm sure some of you have seen before and the story of the Ambulance man who made it in. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/hillsborough-tragedy-999-response-was-poor-ambulanceman-28791195.html
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# ? May 23, 2013 22:16 |
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stickyfngrdboy posted:I can't believe it's 2013 and there's still people blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. Most of us grew up being spoon fed the bullshit. I'm much more credulous about this sort of thing after seeing how police dealt with the student protests we had a couple of years ago. People assume that the authorities aren't actively and consipratorially evil until they actually see incontrivertible evidence that they are. Just how much evidence it takes is probably the gauge of thickness.
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# ? May 24, 2013 00:38 |
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Only just got around to watching this. The young lad absolutely screaming at the coppers from behind the stand makes me feel utterly sick
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# ? May 24, 2013 08:26 |
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God, it's so hard to picture in your head just how bad the situation was, the BBC archive footage from the pitch in that documentary is so harrowing.
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# ? May 24, 2013 10:03 |
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Yeah. It also shows in full clarity exactly how utterly loving reprehensible that Sun front page was, that was essentially serving as a South Yorkshire Police mouthpiece, with the various allegations being made of looting corpses etc. Because people have time to do that when being crushed to death.
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# ? May 24, 2013 10:09 |
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What always gets me about those accusations is just how insultingly easy they are to disprove. Fans looting and pissing on corpses, you say? In front of literally thousands of witnesses? In the presence of dozens of BBC cameras and journalists? Right there next to hundreds of police officers? Not one of whom has come forward to collaborate these accusations?
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# ? May 24, 2013 10:24 |
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Adrianics posted:What always gets me about those accusations is just how insultingly easy they are to disprove. Fans looting and pissing on corpses, you say? In front of literally thousands of witnesses? In the presence of dozens of BBC cameras and journalists? Right there next to hundreds of police officers? Not one of whom has come forward to collaborate these accusations? It disappoints me that football fans all across the UK didn't boycott the Sun. A lot of people ignore that this tragedy was waiting to happen, and it could have happened to another team just as easily. "The Truth" should have been seen as an insult to Liverpool fans, the people of Liverpool, and football fans across the country. For whatever reason only the first two really took hold and I think that's sad.
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# ? May 24, 2013 17:04 |
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What's worse is Liverpool fans who don't boycott The Sun.
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# ? May 24, 2013 17:32 |
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A lot of football fans probably believed it. People believe what they read in the papers, sometimes even when it is already known to be patently false, so when you get a narrative that is strongly telling you something it's not that surprising for people to take it in. Also, I don't really know much about any kind of anti-Liverpool sentiment at the time, but I might guess there could have been some given their success at the time. Certainly many Manchester United fans have mocked or otherwise treated Liverpool with contempt over Hillsborough mostly just because they hate Liverpool
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# ? May 24, 2013 17:32 |
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Everyone hated Liverpool back then. They were extremely successful, and Heysel was still fresh in people's memories. Of course in those days there weren't five or six English clubs in Europe, there was maybe two and only one in the European Cup and as Liverpool won the league title every year well they had the presence in Europe which meant so did their fans. If another club had been that successful at the time THOSE fans would have had the reputation the Reds had, every club had huge hooligan following. So yeah at the time we all (I was about 16 at the time) believed that the disaster had been caused by the fans, because everyone from the police to the government, in every news report, told us it was AND it was believable. But it's been nearly 25 years since Hillsborough, and every single piece of evidence we've seen has shown that original story to be a complete fabrication. There's no WAY fans were even PARTLY to blame and it angers me that after all this time there's still people saying they were. It's loving outrageous, lads. And I typed all this out on my tiny little phone and it's taken ages and been v annoying.
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# ? May 24, 2013 17:58 |
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I'm glad you did it is a good post stickyfingrdboy. The most mental thing is when you explain why it has been proven that the fans had no part in it, and people still say that of course they did a bit. At that point they're either trolling or you are just wasting your time completely
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# ? May 24, 2013 18:04 |
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Paperhouse posted:Certainly many Manchester United fans have mocked or otherwise treated Liverpool with contempt over Hillsborough mostly just because they hate Liverpool I stopped reading Red Issue because: 1) It was really bad and 2) Some people just could not get away from trying to construct a Hillsborough/Munich mockery calculus
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# ? May 25, 2013 01:50 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22779255quote:Fresh inquests into the deaths of the 96 Hillsborough victims will be held before a jury, a coroner has confirmed.
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# ? Jun 5, 2013 19:49 |
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yeah, about that http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/clare-sambrook/olympic-bunglers-g4s-recruit-for-hillsborough-inquiry the whitewash hasn't stopped
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# ? Jun 6, 2013 00:33 |
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South Yorkshire Police will always be cunts;quote:South Yorkshire police chiefs wanted to use funds donated in memory of Hillsborough disaster victims to pay for breaks in the sun for their officers, it has emerged.
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# ? Aug 19, 2013 15:22 |
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Total Meatlove posted:South Yorkshire Police will always be cunts; This is hilarious and gently caress off if you don't think so. "Provision of worthwhile gifts to police officers." Oh good lordy I'm in stitches.
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# ? Aug 19, 2013 19:24 |
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turns out the dead and the dying at Hillsborough WERE pickpocketed, just not quite how the Sun described it.... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hillsborough-police-paid-money-found-among-the-dead-into-forces-coffers-8793702.html
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# ? Sep 1, 2013 23:45 |
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Babby Thatcher posted:turns out the dead and the dying at Hillsborough WERE pickpocketed, just not quite how the Sun described it.... Hahahaha jesus christ it's beyond belief I'm speechless
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# ? Sep 1, 2013 23:59 |
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loving hell, honestly thought it couldn't get worse but there it is Seriously unbelievable
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# ? Sep 2, 2013 00:55 |
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utter scum
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# ? Sep 2, 2013 01:04 |
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That's incredibly ironic, in a most heinous and disgusting fashion.
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# ? Sep 2, 2013 09:52 |
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At this point this thread is gonna need to borrow the subtitle from the freeper thread in D&D because that poo poo is ridiculous
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# ? Sep 2, 2013 09:56 |
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Babby Thatcher posted:turns out the dead and the dying at Hillsborough WERE pickpocketed, just not quite how the Sun described it.... Holy loving poo poo.
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# ? Sep 2, 2013 10:46 |
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Babby Thatcher posted:turns out the dead and the dying at Hillsborough WERE pickpocketed, just not quite how the Sun described it....
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# ? Sep 2, 2013 11:53 |
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I feel literally sick. And I'm not American, so literally means literally.
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# ? Sep 3, 2013 01:55 |
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At face value this looks a decent project: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/258631210/saturday-short-film-about-the-hillsborough-disaste
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# ? Sep 3, 2013 09:41 |
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Babby Thatcher posted:turns out the dead and the dying at Hillsborough WERE pickpocketed, just not quite how the Sun described it.... loving hell
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# ? Sep 3, 2013 09:44 |
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so after nearly a decade of its existence and nearly 2 decades more of its predecessor, the IPCC has issued some criticism of the police. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-24051314 this in non pig speak means they probably drafted every word of the 'fan's accounts' from scratch and then wiped their arses with them anyway just out of the general principle of contempt for the public
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# ? Sep 12, 2013 00:54 |
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/12/hillsborough-manslaughter-police-fa-council-clubquote:Manslaughter charges could be brought against the South Yorkshire police force and senior officers on duty when 96 people died at the Hillsborough football stadium on 15 April 1989, according to the senior detective leading a new criminal investigation into the disaster.
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# ? Sep 12, 2013 08:09 |
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Video footage filmed by police may have been edited. Unfortunately the story doesn't actually say much more about it, like how it may have been edited or what the footage did or didn't show that could warrant editing in the first place.
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 01:38 |
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vyelkin posted:Video footage filmed by police may have been edited. A bad "photoshop" of a Liverpool shirt being stuck over the police that actually were looting corpses?
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# ? Oct 8, 2013 01:41 |
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based on the fact that seventy something people have died in police custody in the last forty something years and no police has ever been charged let alone convicted I think any attempt to seek criminal damages will founder due to the large number of contributory factors they can point to like the stadium turn styles and the wrong kind of leaves on the terraces
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# ? Jan 25, 2014 01:46 |
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hillsborough-officers-accuse-liverpool-fans-6676907quote:Senior police officers will accuse Liverpool FC fans of drunken behaviour at the Hillsborough disaster, a pre inquest hearing was told today.
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# ? Feb 5, 2014 19:28 |
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oh for gently caress's sake
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# ? Feb 5, 2014 19:36 |
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The levels of blood alcohol are irrelevant but we will pursue the case that they are, in fact, relevant. Is there something glaringly obvious I'm missing here? edit: other than the fact those people are utter cunts, of course.
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# ? Feb 5, 2014 19:52 |
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stickyfngrdboy posted:The levels of blood alcohol are irrelevant but we will pursue the case that they are, in fact, relevant. That's pretty much it
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