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Rurik posted:No, which is a shame, since she's one of my favorite characters. Because that's how much of a loving moron I am. Even when I know I'm being naive, I'm like Sideshow Bob stepping on one rake after another. At least Abercrombie let me have Shy and Temple together at the end of Red Country. I've effectively sidestepped one rake. Hurray!
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nutranurse posted:Nope! She was easily one of the most distressing fridging of women that Abercrombie's done. I was pretty upset with him for it, considering he had such a great opportunity to make, not only a strong/believable/awesome female character, but also a POC one. At least we got Temple. I wouldn't say that Ferro got Fridged, i'd be really suprised if we don't find out more about whats going on with her in the next trilogy.
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I don't think he's ever killed a pov character offscreen. I doubt that is what happened, we just have no idea what's happening in Gurkhul and haven't from the beginning. I'll bet the new trilogy has someone from there's pov.
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Jeffrey posted:I don't think he's ever killed a pov character offscreen. I doubt that is what happened, we just have no idea what's happening in Gurkhul and haven't from the beginning. I'll bet the new trilogy has someone from there's pov. He should kill a POV character offscreen, though. My money's on Dogman or dan Luthar.
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Ravenfood posted:Have we heard anything about Ferro after the end of the LAoK? How long was the trip back from the edged of the world? I was curious what would happen if Logen had gotten Ferro pregnant during the trip. A baby who can talk to spirits and also has demon blood could really be a game changer. I hope Ferro comes back in some form, we never got to see any of the Gurkish lands.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:How long was the trip back from the edged of the world? I was curious what would happen if Logen had gotten Ferro pregnant during the trip. A baby who can talk to spirits and also has demon blood could really be a game changer. I hope Ferro comes back in some form, we never got to see any of the Gurkish lands. On the subject of people having babies, didn't Abercrombie say that the next trilogy deals with the children of the protagonists/next generation of people to be screwed over by Bayaz/Khalul?
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nutranurse posted:On the subject of people having babies, didn't Abercrombie say that the next trilogy deals with the children of the protagonists/next generation of people to be screwed over by Bayaz/Khalul? I'm sure most of the original POV characters will be in it, just not the focus. I doubt he'd go so far as to set it after their deaths. Surely Shivers will be redeemed one of these days(nope)!
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drat, I was hoping there would be a reference to her somewhere that might help shed a little more light on the Logen/B9 comparison. And then, there's the effects of the Seed at the end of LAoK that have basically turned her into some kind of superhuman (more than she was) which would be another power in the world. Sure, she might not be able to move armies like Bayaz, but she can still be a huge force in the world, one which I'm surprised Bayaz doesn't (seem) to be taking into account. Also, unless I'm misremembering, she's also one of the not-a-horrible-human-being characters in the book. I mean, sure she's a bloodthirsty crazy revenge-woman, but she mostly has decent reasons for it and doesn't seem to just slaughter Gurkish peasants for fun.
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Ornamented Death posted:They did, in fact, come to that conclusion, but only after murdering Logen's friend, burning down his farm, and kidnapping his children. Again, doing stuff like that and then saying "sorry bro, we changed our minds!" isn't going to save them in essentially any fantasy setting. Jeffrey posted:I'm sure most of the original POV characters will be in it, just not the focus. I doubt he'd go so far as to set it after their deaths. Surely Shivers will be redeemed one of these days(nope)! cheese fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Aug 20, 2013 |
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Glamma Golden's whole "I just want to see my family again" speech in Red Country was so  that I nearly ran into the back of another car while listening to it.
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cheese posted:I felt completely satisfied by the character arcs of both Logen and Shivers at the end of Red Country. I would read another book with them in it with a big grin on my face but if we never heard directly from them again, I'd give Joe a single slow nod of appreciation and look eagerly towards his next characters. After all, arguably the biggest message running through all of his books so far is 'Warriors either die young or linger on as old men haunted by the ghosts of their youth' - Logen, Shivers, Cosca and even Glamma Golden all served to highlight this perfectly and their stories ending in the same book has a beautiful symmetry to it. I doubt we'll see Logen again, but I'm sure we'll hear rumors or other things about him. I don't think we've seen the last of Shivers, though.
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Giodo! posted:Presumably she killed one of the Winds, given what Ishri says in Heroes. What did she say that referred to Fero? I missed it on my first read through.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:What did she say that referred to Fero? I missed it on my first read through. Sorry, it was BSC. At the end she leaves with "I have to go. My brother was killed by a woman seeking vengeance."
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I love the way Ishri just keeps appearing out of nowhere and freaking everyone out. I always imagine her smirking and musing "I never get tired of that" to herself.
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Giodo! posted:Sorry, it was BSC. At the end she leaves with "I have to go. My brother was killed by a woman seeking vengeance." I guess I just assumed this was a reference to Monza, but that actually wouldn't make any sense. Seems my brain can only handle one vengeful she-beast at a time.
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nutranurse posted:Glamma Golden's whole "I just want to see my family again" speech in Red Country was so Xenix posted:I doubt we'll see Logen again, but I'm sure we'll hear rumors or other things about him. I don't think we've seen the last of Shivers, though. cheese fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Aug 22, 2013 |
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If we never hear from Ferros again I won't be upset. I found her two dimensional and irritating to read about.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I guess I just assumed this was a reference to Monza, but that actually wouldn't make any sense. Seems my brain can only handle one vengeful she-beast at a time. Nah, she's actually talking to Monza at the time.
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Neurosis posted:If we never hear from Ferros again I won't be upset. I found her two dimensional and irritating to read about. Well Abercrombie admitted that in his first few books his treatment of women led to them being poopy characters, but we can hope that after the stellar writing Monza and Shy got a revisted Ferro would be pretty great!
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So I'm about 50 pages from the end of The Blade Itself, and it's certainly been enjoyable so far with some great moments, but I can't help but feel like it's dragging a bit. I mean, I know the first book of a trilogy will necessarily have a lot of setup, but this book honestly seems to be almost nothing BUT setup. I've already ordered the next two books from Amazon so I'll certainly be finishing the trilogy, but I'm just looking for some confirmation that all this laying of groundwork gets the epic payoff it needs. Also, if I have to read one more pointless gently caress YOU PINK outburst from Ferro I'm going to start bashing my head against a wall.
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Jeffrey posted:Yeah the first book is mostly setup.
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Above Our Own posted:Also Ferro is a terrible, terrible character. By far the worst regular character in the entire series IMO. Goddamn, is she ever. I was a slave, and I am angry! And a completely irrational piece of poo poo!
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Neurosis posted:Goddamn, is she ever. I was a slave, and I am angry! And a completely irrational piece of poo poo! Meanwhile Wirrun of Bligh my favorite character to be introduced in a book got killed off, honestly I could follow that mad fucker around all day and just listen to him talk and threaten.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Meanwhile Wirrun of Bligh my favorite character to be introduced in a book got killed off, honestly I could follow that mad fucker around all day and just listen to him talk and threaten. Wirrun discussing his cheese trap is easily my favorite moment from Abercrombie's whole works.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Wirrun discussing his cheese trap is easily my favorite moment from Abercrombie's whole works. Yep. Also I was kind of hoping he'd pass the Father of Swords on to Red Beck who would be forced into adventure by the weight of a name he didn't earn and a legend that he didn't want. EDIT: It could have been fun, he could wander through the world using almost entirely bluff to get through every adventure since he's technically a giant wuss.
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A legendary Red Beck at age forty fighting his first duel after not taking a life since The Heroes would make a cool short story.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Yep. Also I was kind of hoping he'd pass the Father of Swords on to Red Beck who would be forced into adventure by the weight of a name he didn't earn and a legend that he didn't want. If that's a premise you find interesting, check out Flashman by George Macdonald Fraser.
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The Rat posted:If that's a premise you find interesting, check out Flashman by George Macdonald Fraser. Yes. Hearty endorsement of this recommendation.
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Figures that someone with your user name would endorse it. Paucis carior est fides quam pecunia, eh?
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Blind Melon posted:Armor is for those who plan on getting hit. Or for those who plan on living. The value of armour gets really underplayed in Abercrombie's books. Sometimes it feels like the stuff is made of tin, when in reality it would stop a lot of the blows mentioned in the books as going through the armour cold.
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Neurosis posted:Or for those who plan on living. The value of armour gets really underplayed in Abercrombie's books. Sometimes it feels like the stuff is made of tin, when in reality it would stop a lot of the blows mentioned in the books as going through the armour cold.
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Neurosis posted:Or for those who plan on living. The value of armour gets really underplayed in Abercrombie's books. Sometimes it feels like the stuff is made of tin, when in reality it would stop a lot of the blows mentioned in the books as going through the armour cold. There was that great scene in Best Served Cold where the mercenaries break into Orzo's study. Surprise! It's full of his personal retinue of heavily-armoured bodyguards, and the mercs' all die messily.
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The Rat posted:Figures that someone with your user name would endorse it. Paucis carior est fides quam pecunia, eh? Ex Abercrombie thread semper aliquid novi.
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Stupid question with spoilers for Last Argument of Kings: is "the cripple" that they keep referring to in Best Served Cold Glotka, or West? There's a few references to him wearing a mask over his face, but I don't remember Glotka having or needing that. He seemed to positively revel in his disfigurement, whereas West was dissolving into a pit of self-loathing last time we saw him in Adua.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Stupid question with spoilers for Last Argument of Kings: is "the cripple" that they keep referring to in Best Served Cold Glotka, or West? There's a few references to him wearing a mask over his face, but I don't remember Glotka having or needing that. He seemed to positively revel in his disfigurement, whereas West was dissolving into a pit of self-loathing last time we saw him in Adua.
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