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BrianWilly posted:Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and say it since no one else will: how come they keep looking at blonde, blue-eyed actresses to play a woman of mixed Roma/Jewish descent? Because they can change those things to any color they want.
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FANTASY CASTING TIME So we know Downey will be leaving Tony Stark in his rear view eventually right? We were talking about this at work and somebody came to mind that I think would be ideal to step into the role in a few years. Adam Brody  He's got talent, anyone who watched the OC knows that. He's got the looks and he'll still be fairly young when RDJ retires from the role. He's got nerd cred from his Seth Cohen days. He's also pretty convincing as an arrogant prick but his believablility as a ladies man might need some work. I've also never seen him with facial hair but I'm sure they can glue something to his face. I've been rolling this around in my head for a few days now and I am convinced he'd be the perfect guy to step into the role. Go watch his first scene in Mr. and Mrs. Smith, he's practically channeling RDJ there.
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Aug 21, 2013 23:37
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Are they still going to be Magneto's children? Will they even be mutants? Probably not. At least not in the general sense. I don't think Marvel can refer to them as mutants per se but since Marvel does have the rights to the Inhumans they can sorta use them as faux mutants.
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Aug 22, 2013 00:22
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BrianWilly posted:Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and say it since no one else will: how come they keep looking at blonde, blue-eyed actresses to play a woman of mixed Roma/Jewish descent? The important part of her origin is that she's Magneto's daughter. The important part of Magneto's origin is that he's of mixed Roma/Jewish descent. This is not true transitively.
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Aug 22, 2013 01:01
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In another sense, it's not unreasonable to expect children to bear some level of resemblance to their parents--even though we all know that's not a law of biology. Plus weren't she and Pierto raised by gypsies or something, only meeting up with Magneto when they were teens?
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Aug 22, 2013 01:03
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mind the walrus posted:In another sense, it's not unreasonable to expect children to bear some level of resemblance to their parents--even though we all know that's not a law of biology. Plus weren't she and Pierto raised by gypsies or something, only meeting up with Magneto when they were teens? Unless it's been retconned away due to the character rights issues. Which doesn't really happen biologically.
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Aug 22, 2013 01:07
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Well there's a very simple explanation for itquote:No More Gypsies.
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Aug 22, 2013 01:12
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jscolon2.0 posted:Unless it's been retconned away due to the character rights issues. Which doesn't really happen biologically. Yeah, but one reasonably expects to keep a character reasonably consistent across media (comics to movies to T-shirts to action figures), and one of the most recognizable features is hair color. So why not cast a brunette? The whole Roma bit is preferable but hardly expected given how much attention they paid to the Black Widow being Russian. This is also the same Hollywood where Sony cast two women known for their red hair to play Gwen Stacy.
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Aug 22, 2013 01:29
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It's pretty ridiculous to cast an actor based solely on their resemblance to how the character is drawn in comic books, considering how easy it is to change a person's physical appearance.
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Aug 22, 2013 01:36
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Because they want people who can fill the role and they can have people change their hair color or whatever. I mean, why pass on Olsen if she's best for the part just because of her hair color? Plus she's a pretty good actress. Like, should they not have got Karen Gillan to play Nebula and looked for an already bald actress or something? Should they have passed on Chris Pratt because he was a little chubby when they were casting?
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Aug 22, 2013 01:36
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Don't be patronizing, you know drat well the question was one of "why are all the major choices blonde?" and not "why won't they cast a brunette?"
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Aug 22, 2013 01:55
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I don't know. People are blonde. Blonde is, socially, seen as a 'desireable' hair color for women to have. If you look at an actress' body of work, you are likely to see a very wide array of hair colors, both on screen and in their personal life. It's probably not something casting directors even consider.
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Aug 22, 2013 02:05
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Who gives a poo poo about any of this, at all?
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Aug 22, 2013 02:12
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scary ghost dog posted:Who gives a poo poo about any of this, at all? INTERNET.
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Aug 22, 2013 02:13
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I think the worries about Scarlet Witch's powers are kind of over thinking it. She and Quicksilver are going to be going through their origin phase, and she will be powerful but ill defined and inexperienced, still figuring out her powers. I would bet money they're going to be very Simon and River as far as their characterization, she'll be unpredictable but will have one big moment in the climax. She won't show up able to completely alter reality "no more mutants" style straight off the bat.
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Buddington posted:I think the worries about Scarlet Witch's powers are kind of over thinking it. She and Quicksilver are going to be going through their origin phase, and she will be powerful but ill defined and inexperienced, still figuring out her powers. I would bet money they're going to be very Simon and River as far as their characterization, she'll be unpredictable but will have one big moment in the climax. She won't show up able to completely alter reality "no more mutants" style straight off the bat. She'll probably have a very toned down version of her powers or if that doesn't make sense on screen, she'll just be a sorceress.
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Aug 22, 2013 02:29
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What I don't understand about Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch appearing in the Avengers is how they will add anything to the Marvel cinematic universe beyond cameo appearances. The Avengers, despite it's flaws, was pretty good at paying off story lines, but these two really feel like they have come from nowhere and don't really belong. To be honest though, after the conclusion of the first, the entire Ultron storyline doesn't seem to fit in either right now. I don't know, it feels less like this phase is building towards something and more like The Avengers movies have become just another one of the regular films, rather than a end chapter. I don't think the subtitle helps, rather than numerical titling. Does anyone else agree with that? It's the same problem I have with Man of Steel 2 - the direction they are taking it just doesn't feel organic.
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Aug 22, 2013 02:32
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mind the walrus posted:So why not cast a brunette? Hair dye is really cheap.
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Aug 22, 2013 02:42
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Hey, remember the James Blonde controversy when Daniel Craig was cast? Good, me neither.
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Aug 22, 2013 02:47
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jscolon2.0 posted:Hey, remember the James Blonde controversy when Daniel Craig was cast? Good, me neither. "But Emma Stone is known for being a redhead so her playing Gwen Stacy makes no sense at all and furthermore..." 
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Aug 22, 2013 02:51
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PriorMarcus posted:
The Avengers is it's own series. It's not like the comic Avengers are just a yearly annual that builds off storylines from the hero's other books. It's logical that the whole team would have a whole series instead of just constantly jumping off the others. Avengers 1 was set up that established the team-effectively, an origin movie in and of itself. And up until House of M, I'd say Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were always more Avenger characters then X characters, so their being here makes sense.
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Aug 22, 2013 02:55
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mind the walrus posted:This is also the same Hollywood where Sony cast two women known for their red hair to play Gwen Stacy. Emma Stone is a natural blonde. 
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Aug 22, 2013 02:57
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Look at all these people who have never seen Good Hair.
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Aug 22, 2013 03:04
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WickedHate posted:And up until House of M, I'd say Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were always more Avenger characters then X characters, so their being here makes sense. I agree, Quicksilver had been an Avenger for like 20 years, that little stint back with X-Factor is barely a blip.
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PriorMarcus posted:What I don't understand about Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch appearing in the Avengers is how they will add anything to the Marvel cinematic universe beyond cameo appearances. The Avengers, despite it's flaws, was pretty good at paying off story lines, but these two really feel like they have come from nowhere and don't really belong. It might seem totally arbitrary now, but it will pay off in Phase 4, Avengers 6 when Ultron and Thanatos team up with the antagonist of Phase 3. We promise that it's building up to something and that, by then, all twenty-seven main averagers will have well-defined character arcs. There's a plan.
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...Evidently I wasn't clear enough in my point, otherwise I really hope people are being very facetious right now. My point was that looking for vanilla-white Aryan actresses to play Wanda Maximoff when her father is a Jewish Holocaust survivor and her mother was a member of the persecuted Romani ethnic group, and whose heritage has been heavily featured in various storylines, under the rationale that "Whatever, we can just change her hair color or whatever," is actually kinda offensive. And before you say it, I'm not saying "Literally find a gypsy village girl from fictional Wundagore to play this role or you're all mega-racists," but when both of the two "top choices" for the part look the way that they do, you bet your rear end that they should be called out on it. Which, incidentally, makes all these "They should just cast the actress best suited for the role!" arguments pretty silly. A) That's a false equivalence; there's literally nothing saying that they can't cast an girl who looks the part who is also the best suited for the role. B) Clearly they're not even looking for someone who isn't blonde and blue-eyed, so how the heck can they know if anyone else might be suited for the role?
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Aug 22, 2013 03:19
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In the rich tradition of slamming two things nerds love into each other: Tatiana Maslany for Scarlet Witch.
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Aug 22, 2013 03:38
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Is it possible that Marvel cannot refer to her connection to Jews and the Roma in Avengers 2 because those elements of her backstory are found in X-Men books or linked to Magneto? I have a feeling that Avengers 2 may be focusing on the twins as the main characters, so the movie will contain their origins as well as Ultron's, and later they will get their own films in Phase 3. Marvel do appear to be moving away from the Phase 1 characters.
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Tripwyre posted:In the rich tradition of slamming two things nerds love into each other: Gary Busey for Wonder Man.
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BrianWilly posted:...Evidently I wasn't clear enough in my point, otherwise I really hope people are being very facetious right now. How mad were you about the black Viking in Thor? I'm not a fan of Full House so don't really want her as scarlet witch. It sucks Kat Dennings already has a marvel role because she would be believable as a crazyeyed magician with daddy issues. Plus she has black hair!
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Aug 22, 2013 05:19
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:I'm not a fan of Full House so don't really want her as scarlet witch. People who weren't fans of Hunger Games and Expendables 2 still watched Thor and Avengers.
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Aug 22, 2013 05:25
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:How mad were you about the black Viking in Thor? You're really turned off by this because the actress' sisters were on a show you didn't care for 20 years ago? Edit: I'm not a fan of Bosom Buddies so I don't see why I should want this Colin Hanks fellow to play a role.
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The MSJ posted:People who weren't fans of Hunger Games and Expendables 2 still watched Thor and Avengers. That's the wrong Hemsworth. e: disregard I only skimmed the posts and am an idiot.
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Aug 22, 2013 05:39
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Bradley Cooper offered Rocket Raccoon in Guardians. Huh.
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Aug 22, 2013 05:42
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I think it's a little premature to say that things aren't building up to Avengers 2. So far the only phase 2 movie that's been released has been Iron Man 3, I think that actually has some foreshadowing of Ultron in it. Nothing on the nose but I can see how they can easily incorporate it. I think each Avengers movie will signify the end of a chapter/phase and so far it's just really too early to think otherwise.
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Aug 22, 2013 05:46
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LAME.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:How mad were you about the black Viking in Thor? And mind you, I didn't breathe a word about Scarlet Witch's casting when Saorise Ronan was the only name thrown around; the problem for me is that now we've gotten two examples of what the director/producers are looking for to play their Wanda and both of them are about as far from Wanda's ethnicity as you can get, which tells me this is yet another case of Hollywood's racial glass ceiling in the casting booth; acceptably-hegemonic white folks first, literally everyone else second, or never. Let's say Olsen decides to pass on the role, for whatever reason; who will they approach next? Taylor Swift? The fact that you've conflated every discussion about race in films as some kind of Klannish overreaction is kind of worrying. Tripwyre posted:In the rich tradition of slamming two things nerds love into each other: Tatiana Maslany for Scarlet Witch. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Aug 22, 2013 |
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Bleh, what? Like I like Bradley Cooper alright but there's nothing particularly distinctive about his voice. I wasn't actually expecting H. John Benjamin, but I was hoping for someone with a voice just as good. Oh yeah also add me to the list of people that wouldn't have really given this movie much thought if it weren't for the raccoon
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BrianWilly posted:...Not very? Because, for one thing, that was a case of adding diversity instead of erasing it, and Heimdall's ethnicity has virtually nothing whatsoever to do with his character or storyline, and there is precedence for Marvel comics Asgardians to be racially diverse anyway? At the time I was pretty neutral about the affair. I think you're overreacting, you can't assume that the directors are looking for an "Aryan"-looking woman to play Scarlet Witch based on two casting choices, especially when they're going to have to dress her up in curly brown hair anyway. There are plenty of famous actresses without blonde hair too, I'm sorry to bust your weird Aryan casting glass ceiling theory. Yeah its a total dick move that they're just casting white women to play the Scarlet Witch and we need more non-white roles in pretty much every form of media, but I wouldn't even put 100% of that blame on Hollywood considering she gets drawn in comics as a white woman with brown hair all the time.
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Macaluso posted:Bleh, what? Like I like Bradley Cooper alright but there's nothing particularly distinctive about his voice. I wasn't actually expecting H. John Benjamin, but I was hoping for someone with a voice just as good. I don't know, I'm thinking of his manic Face in the A-team and it doesn't seem so bad. Though there's far more interesting choices, granted.
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