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El Gallinero Gros posted:My friend, we are watching Pancrase in http://www.psp-tv.com/r/mma4pay if you care to partake. Oops, didn't see this! I'm not sure what Pancrase is anyway so oh well.
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That run with Sid and Nash was a magical time.  WCW World Heavyweight Champions from the start of Russo's run in October 1999 to the April 10th reboot. Sting VACATED Bret Hart VACATED Bret Hart VACATED (injury) Chris Benoit VACATED Sid Vicious VACATED Kevin Nash Sid Vicious VACATED Benoit winning was inexcusably stupid and it still made more sense than most of that booking.
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Cardboard Box posted:I'm pretty sure it's a story from the book but it's not an excerpt, although it's written about as well as one of R.D. Reynold's chapters. It's an excerpt, though it's been lightly edited.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:VACATED This might be one of my favorite title history excerpts ever. It's like a WWF hardcore or DDT championship history but those are supposed to be complete jokes.
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projecthalaxy posted:This might be one of my favorite title history excerpts ever. It's like a WWF hardcore or DDT championship history but those are supposed to be complete jokes. That's an insult to the DDT Ironman Heavymetalweight Title
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Aug 14, 2013 17:09
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Aug 14, 2013 17:27
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I mean really, the Heavymetalweight title has been vacated 4 times in 13 years. Comparing it to the WCW belt under Russo is, well, unflattering
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Bret Hart I never understood the point of this as a kid. Bret beats Goldberg to retain the title at Starrcade. The next night on Nitro the title is vacated because of the controversial ending, only for Bret to beat Goldberg again to regain the title. Why not just have a rematch? Were they just trying to boost Hart's championship reigns up?
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What was the exact reason they stripped him again? Was that the time he hit the ref? I might be thinking about when the took the title off Sting a couple months earlier.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:What was the exact reason they stripped him again? Was that the time he hit the ref? I might be thinking about when the took the title off Sting a couple months earlier. No that was another Montreal Screwjob recreation. He won the title legitimately when it was revealed he was a member of the nWo the whole time.
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:I mean really, the Heavymetalweight title has been vacated 4 times in 13 years. Comparing it to the WCW belt under Russo is, well, unflattering Does that title date back to 1908? I don't think so. Nor was it ever given as a gift to Ric Flair for some reason. Edit: PS Nitro is tonight http://psp-tv.com/r/greatestnitroinhistoryofoursport with some important early nWo Nitros! 8 PM Eastern as always.
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Dave Meltzer, June 10 1996 posted:For all real purposes, the clique is now done. Oh Dave. 
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Was it Russo's influence that made the last(?) WCW video game take place entirely in the backstage area of an arena and never once in a wrestling ring?
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MadScientistWorking posted:Actually, you can find out the answer as I'm pretty sure the lead developer for those games was actually on Giantbomb's Thursday Night Showdown discussing those games. I watched this, it was pretty interesting. EA poo poo themselves when Mayhem didn't sell as well as expected and wanted Power Stone with wrestlers. Now that in itself isn't a horrible idea, but EA was breathing down the developer's neck the whole time, and forced them to rush the game out the door. On top of that, the guy basically admits the development team poo poo the bed because of the conditions they had to work under.
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On the Dave Lang edition of Thursday Night Throwdown they do a quick side by side comparison of those two WCW games and the sharp decline in quality from Mayhem to Backstage Assault is insane. The character models got a hundred times worse and to save memory they had to remove a whole bunch of frames from the animations.
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Astro7x posted:I never understood the point of this as a kid. Bret beats Goldberg to retain the title at Starrcade. The next night on Nitro the title is vacated because of the controversial ending, only for Bret to beat Goldberg again to regain the title. Why not just have a rematch? Were they just trying to boost Hart's championship reigns up? When Russo was in the WWF he did the same thing with the I-C title, I remember.
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oatgan posted:On the Dave Lang edition of Thursday Night Throwdown they do a quick side by side comparison of those two WCW games and the sharp decline in quality from Mayhem to Backstage Assault is insane. The character models got a hundred times worse and to save memory they had to remove a whole bunch of frames from the animations. It was pretty funny that they had him play Backstage Assault before playing Mayhem. He was being pretty forgiving to the game out of nostalgia, but when he started playing Mayhem he was shocked at how much worse the other game was in comparison. It was interesting to see how a developer can lose sight of the game as a whole when having to cut corners and make final decisions. Gordy fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Aug 17, 2013 |
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Tonight we've got the RETURN OF THE BOOTY MAN on Nitro! Check in at 8 PM for the BOOTY MAN plus the latest happenings with the New World Odor. With only one episode left until Hog Wild we'll go to alternate programming after, part 2 of the Jerry Lawler vs Andy Kaufman feud! http://psp-tv.com/r/greatestnitroinhistoryofoursport
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MassRafTer posted:Tonight we've got the RETURN OF THE BOOTY MAN on Nitro! Check in at 8 PM for the BOOTY MAN plus the latest happenings with the New World Odor. With only one episode left until Hog Wild we'll go to alternate programming after, part 2 of the Jerry Lawler vs Andy Kaufman feud! What about TNA?
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bobkatt013 posted:What about TNA? There's always more TNA. Plus a pre show with MatRats and THE URBAN WRESTLING ALLIANCE.
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Retro Observer posted:I think they are going to keep the identity of the third member of the Nash & Hall team a secret until the 7/7 show. There are things that lead me to believe it may not be Lex Luger after all, which is a mistake. Rumors are flying it'll be Jeff Jarrett since Vince McMahon on the WWF hotline brought up Jarrett's name with Diesel and Ramon as expecting him to join WCW. Jarrett gave notice to Titan and is working out his notice in USWA and he is WCW bound, however his WWF contract doesn't expire until the fall so it probably won't be him. The WCW team will be Sting & Savage and either Flair or Luger.  quote:The most likely scenario for King of the Ring is that Steve Austin will beat Jake Roberts in the finals (I'd say chances of Vader winning are slim if not at all). It begins. 
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This was my favorite quote: quote:It was amazing on WCW Saturday Night when the Steiners, Norton and Ice Train did an interview. Train's arms are so huge they actually make Norton and Rick Steiner look small and even dwarf Scott's bowling ball biceps. Speaking of Scott, if you're wondering how he looks the way he does, it's because he has great genetics. Also, guys who haven't signed contracts (which the Steiners haven't) don't get tested. As for the guys who have signed contracts that are so big and ripped at the same time nowadays in comparison with the WWF guys, I guess WCW simply draws its wrestlers from a more gifted gene pool. And if you ask why when those same guys were in WWF they were smaller, I guess some guys in their late 30s and early 40s can actually make great improvements in their physique through cultivating their enormous genetic potential which they were unable to do in WWF because they weren't as happy. If you buy that, I feel sorry for you.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:
I'm not up to speed on my WCW lore. Why was the title vacated so often instead of going from guy to guy like normal? Basically, briefly explain the  factor please.Also, while I tend to disagree with Meltzer's star ratings, I have to admit he's a hell of a gifted writer, and probably doesn't get enough credit for that.
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NowonSA posted:I'm not up to speed on my WCW lore. Why was the title vacated so often instead of going from guy to guy like normal? Basically, briefly explain the He'd strip guys to do tournaments and hot shot angles for ratings. Strip a guy and people will tune in next week to see what happens!
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MassRafTer posted:He'd strip guys to do tournaments and hot shot angles for ratings. Strip a guy and people will tune in next week to see what happens! Or the story told recently of when there was a controversial finish, so they stripped Bret of the title. So he just won the title back. Absolute madness. The bigger question is why Russo thought large number of title runs was a good thing.
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Wazzu posted:Or the story told recently of when there was a controversial finish, so they stripped Bret of the title. So he just won the title back. Absolute madness. When you were a kid, how impressed were you with Ric Flair, X time World Champion? Now imagine if you had a roster full of guys that good.
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Man I always forget August is Finishers Month.  MassRafTer posted:When you were a kid, how impressed were you with Ric Flair, X time World Champion? Dave gave some speech once about when that stopped mattering? What was the consensus? Like after he was champ in the 80s and did DQ finishes? I can't remember. But at some stage being a 2X World Champion was a pretty big deal, like a real big deal.
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Wazzu posted:The bigger question is why Russo thought large number of title runs was a good thing. Russo's explained this in shoots. He thinks title defences are boring and that no one talks about them, whereas people will rave about and go out of their way to see a title change. He seemed a bit confused when one interviewer suggested that if you kept having title changes then they cease to be special, but he never seemed to understand the conscept of diminishing returns.
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LordPants posted:Man I always forget August is Finishers Month. I started watching WWF in 1994, and I remember they always used to talk about how Bret Hart was a two-time World, Intercontinental, and Tag champ. I think they would throw in that he was a two-time King of the Ring sometimes too. That always felt like a really huge accomplishment. The title reigns really stopped being a big deal during the Monday Night Wars era, probably as a combination of there being a PPV every month and the push to have big surprises to spike ratings.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Russo's explained this in shoots. He thinks title defences are boring and that no one talks about them, whereas people will rave about and go out of their way to see a title change. He seemed a bit confused when one interviewer suggested that if you kept having title changes then they cease to be special, but he never seemed to understand the conscept of diminishing returns. My most memorable world title match? Outside of Punk/Cena at Money in the Bank 2011, it's Bret Hart vs. the 1-2-3 Kid from an early 90's RAW. Because I spent the match thinking... "No way the Kid can do it." "Maybe the Kid can do it." "Holy crap, the Kid's GOING to do it!" "WOW, WHAT A GREAT MATCH!" And, on yeah, Hart retained. I think Russo forgot that, in the end, fans (should) want to see two guys have a great (or good) match that tells a good (or great) story.
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Schlitzkrieg Bop posted:I started watching WWF in 1994, and I remember they always used to talk about how Bret Hart was a two-time World, Intercontinental, and Tag champ. I think they would throw in that he was a two-time King of the Ring sometimes too. That always felt like a really huge accomplishment. WCW titles stopped being important in the late 90s around the fingerpoke of doom time period. WWF's didn't really stop until the Invasion, when it seemed like there was a title switch every single week (and I distinctly remember a RAW where every title switched except the WWF Championship). Of course they messed up the invasion angle to such an enormous degree that they probably felt like they had to do a lot of changes constantly otherwise people would forget what was going on. It's a combination of too much good talent in one place and a constant need to create excitement that leads to a lot of switches. Russo didn't understand this in WCW where he had nobody to hold him back, so we had all those vacancies and hot swaps.
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Bigass Moth posted:WCW titles stopped being important in the late 90s around the fingerpoke of doom time period. WWF's didn't really stop until the Invasion, when it seemed like there was a title switch every single week (and I distinctly remember a RAW where every title switched except the WWF Championship). Of course they messed up the invasion angle to such an enormous degree that they probably felt like they had to do a lot of changes constantly otherwise people would forget what was going on. Well the title itself was still important, but using the number of reigns as a metric was pretty pointless after 1999 or so in either company. There were like 13 WWF champions in 1999 alone, so by the end of the year every top guy was a 3 or 4 time champion.
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Number of title reigns became kind of irrelevant once they increased the number of PPVs and Televised title defences. It's a new era, you can't really compare it to the old days. It would be like if they had two Superbowls a year instead of just one.
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The thing Russo doesn't realize is that usually when people pop for a title change, it's because a bad guy has held the belt for a long time, or that an underdog the crowd likes is challenging for the title, or because it's a great finish that gets people off their feet. A new champion is a neat thing...when you're 12. That's not wrestling's core audience though.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:The thing Russo doesn't realize is that usually when people pop for a title change, it's because a bad guy has held the belt for a long time, or that an underdog the crowd likes is challenging for the title, or because it's a great finish that gets people off their feet. A new champion is a neat thing...when you're 12. That's not wrestling's core audience though. People of all ages still pop live for a title change (because it's cool to see a title change hands) but yeah, it doesn't mean as much. Hell, people still pop for a title change even when it's a heel winning via cheating against a beloved babyface.
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