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http://thebitterscriptreader.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-spike-lees-kickstarter-campaign-is.htmlquote:Spike Lee's Kickstarter campaign ended this morning with him topping out at over $1.4 million dollars in donations. He's the third-highest film campaign in history after Veronica Mars ($5.7M) and Zach Braff's Wish I Was Here ($3.1M). After Veronica Mars walked away with its windfall, there was no shortage of editorials proclaiming that this could be the start of a trend - for good and for ill. Some hoped it would bring independent filmmakers more opportunities, while others feared that studios and the privileged would take advantage of their supporters by getting them to essentially pay for the movie. So does Spike Lee's success confirm any of that? It seems like Spike Lee kickjacked his own project. If true, Kickstarter is probably laughing all the way to the bank. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 19:07 on Aug 22, 2013 |
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Zaphod42 posted:http://thebitterscriptreader.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-spike-lees-kickstarter-campaign-is.html How did you get that from that article? I agree with bitterscriptreader that it was probably Spike Lee's rich friends who tossed in bucks. I like Spike Lee's work, but I am always astonished at how successfully he positions himself as indie man of the people while hobnobbing with some of the richest people in the US. He's on Martha's Vineyard right now hanging with people for whom a $10K Kickstarter pledge would be pocket change.
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Aug 22, 2013 19:10
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Pretty much all I know about Spike Lee(unless I've seen stuff by him I didn't know was by him) is that he tried suing Spike TV over their name, so my opinion of this is instantly biased and suspicious.
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Aug 22, 2013 21:44
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WickedHate posted:Pretty much all I know about Spike Lee(unless I've seen stuff by him I didn't know was by him) is that he tried suing Spike TV over their name, so my opinion of this is instantly biased and suspicious. All I remember is his  defense of that god-awful Lucas production Red Tails. I don't really know of any films of his.
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Aug 22, 2013 22:26
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WickedHate posted:Pretty much all I know about Spike Lee(unless I've seen stuff by him I didn't know was by him) is that he tried suing Spike TV over their name, so my opinion of this is instantly biased and suspicious. Shouldn't you be more suspicious of a guy who wanted to be mistaken as affiliated with SpikeTV?
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Aug 22, 2013 22:37
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My undergrad college paid Spike Lee a very generous sum (2 years worth of prestigious speaker budget) to come speak (because we are an egregiously white, private college), and it was quite literally unpracticed and off-the-cuff. Money well spent! 
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Aug 22, 2013 23:05
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Spike Lee is sometimes a bit of douche but a lot of it's is blown hugely out of proposition because of his image in the media as the "angry black director". Also Do the Right Thing is one of the best films of all time so if he wants to talk poo poo he's earned it.
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Aug 22, 2013 23:29
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Practically everyone in CineD supports Lee's Kickstarter, because they want to see Lee make another movie with as little studio involvement as possible. Rich people helping him is nothing new either; when he needed to raise money to distribute Malcolm X celebrities like Janet Jackson and Michael Jordan chipped in.
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Aug 22, 2013 23:38
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Spike made some good stuff but Spike with nobody to keep him honest is NOT going to get good results. Self indulgent Spike is the worst Spike
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Aug 22, 2013 23:39
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PrinceRandom posted:All I remember is his Inside Man is a nice caper movie, but mostly he's been riding on the coattails of his first movie a la M. Night Shyamalan.
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Aug 22, 2013 23:41
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Here's another movie aimed at the Lifetime channel crowd: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1500620446/courage-of-two A supposedly feel good movie about two boys finding friendship in dark times is overshadowed by cheesy sad piano music, choppy acting and really poorly done sitdowns with the people involved.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Spike Lee is sometimes a bit of douche but a lot of it's is blown hugely out of proposition because of his image in the media as the "angry black director". Also Do the Right Thing is one of the best films of all time so if he wants to talk poo poo he's earned it. Basically everybody thinks that one Family Guy joke was 100% accurate and anytime he candidly says something negative or critical in an interview it gets blown up as "whoa angry black man on the warpath!!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t19Y98jmh0E It was just a well put-together campaign all together. The rewards were fantastic, for less than $20 you get stuff like signed copies of his books and posters and you only have to pay $20 to see the movie. Unlike, say, Veronica Mars.
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monster on a stick posted:Inside Man is a nice caper movie, but mostly he's been riding on the coattails of his first movie a la M. Night Shyamalan. M. Night Shyamalan is riding on the coattails of Praying With Anger?
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PrinceRandom posted:All I remember is his If you've never seen Do The Right Thing you pretty much forfeit your right to have your opinions about films and filmmakers taken seriously.
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Aug 23, 2013 00:26
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Lee is a legitimately brilliant director who has done/said like two stupid things that for some reason (he's black) get tossed around as anchors around his neck why he's a crazy angry person who hates white people.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Spike Lee is sometimes a bit of douche but a lot of it's is blown hugely out of proposition because of his image in the media as the "angry black director". Also Do the Right Thing is one of the best films of all time so if he wants to talk poo poo he's earned it. Yes, a million times yes. Do The Right Thing is one of the quintessential films of its generation. Also Malcolm X is pretty amazing, and he's right about Tyler Perry's bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTjvC3-UgQo Manifest has a new favorite as of 01:02 on Aug 23, 2013 |
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Sad news guys.... DKS's Reality Death Maze didn't get funded...  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2010618696/dkss-reality-death-maze?ref=email
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M3wThr33 posted:Sad news guys.... They should lower their funding goal to $50,000 and make it an Ouya exclusive 
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I learned how to use MS Paint today. Now buy my T-shirts. My favourite reward tier is the gift basket of which he doesn't even know the contents. It's like there's a contest going on for the most uninspired T-shirt kickstarter, and this guy really wants to win. You know those little flash banners they had on the internet in the early 2000s? The ones with those little games where you had to shoot three ducks or some other task to 'win' stuff? It's making a comeback, except this time on your mobile phone. And instead of 'winning' free PS2s, cruises and green cards, you can win discounts on pizzas and starbucks coffee. These people probably don't realize it, but they want to make a KickStarter for mobile applications. You pay a dollar and then get to upload your idea to their Store, where people can then place orders for the piece of software you're going to write. Or are going to outsource to someone else, because you don't actually need to have anything presentable to show your future customers.
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Concerning the failed Final Fantasy VII fanfilm attempt, how hard is it to get actual actors for fanfilms? Wouldn't a lot of actors (name-actors and otherwise) not want to be associated with such a thing? Or is a role a role?
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Aug 25, 2013 03:09
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I'm very sure there are numerous more higher paying and more respectable roles for a big name actor than putting on a Cloud wig for some no name production. Unless it was a specific passion project, I guess.
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Waffleman_ posted:I'm very sure there are numerous more higher paying and more respectable roles for a big name actor than putting on a Cloud wig for some no name production. Unless it was a specific passion project, I guess. What about non-big-name actors? Would they be willing to do such a role, or would there be too much of a risk of damaging one's reputation, like those poor actors and actresses in The Room?
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Well, if you're talking about like a trained amateur or unknown actor, then I could see it happening.
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Hang around any local film associations long enough, and you'll find plenty of people who will dedicate weeks of their life to a crappy project for no pay. It's really sad.
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Song For The Deaf posted:Hang around any local film associations long enough, and you'll find plenty of people who will dedicate weeks of their life to a crappy project for no pay. Look this is how I make a living god drat it. Without those people I'd be hosed. I hope my projects aren't you know...crappy though. God I hope they aren't... I do also try and pay everyone, though.
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Also, how would people making fanfilms get permission to film anywhere? That'd be a hell of a conversation with a property owner or other relevant authority. Or would they just do it on public property guerilla-style? I've read that not all towns are strict about permits.
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I don't think the people issuing filming permits are going to refuse based on the content of what is planned to be filmed. Seems like that'd violate the first amendment or something. Edit: Also, I doubt they care that much.
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FIlming permits aren't needed most places. They tend to only be required in places that are popular to film, or when you need to do something like halt normal traffic in public streets for a scene.
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What about getting permission to film on private property?
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My friend just finished a Fallout fanfilm that had the voice actors from the game in it, the permission of the rights-holders, and a premiere at PAX. I have no idea if its any good but there didn't seem to be any issues. All these problems at applicable to normal films, too.
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BiggerJ posted:What about getting permission to film of private property? You generally don't need that! Especially when we're talking movies that get seen by 400 people total and were produced on a budget of $500.
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Why the hell do you care so drat much, man?
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Waffleman_ posted:Why the hell do you care so drat much, man? I'm just wondering. It's always seemed odd to me. Fanworks like that seem to have such a bad reputation, yet making fanfilms requires actually directly dealing with people. BiggerJ has a new favorite as of 05:29 on Aug 25, 2013 |
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TheJoker138 posted:I do also try and pay everyone, though. That's fine. I'm referring specifically to "directors" who promise only to pay in "good stuff for your reel", "publicity", and "craft services". If there's a nominal effort to pay someone something approaching a fair wage for their work, that's cool. It's just tough to believe that fan projects on Kickstarter would make the effort, especially when the inclination is to try and get as much done for free as possible. And free labor is really easy to get in creative fields.
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BiggerJ posted:Also, how would people making fanfilms get permission to film anywhere? That'd be a hell of a conversation with a property owner or other relevant authority. "I'd like to film a movie here." "Okay."
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BiggerJ posted:Fanworks like that seem to have such a bad reputation, yet making fanfilms requires actually directly dealing with people. Private property permissions generally involves shortlisting areas found via location scouting then doing one on one negotiations with the property owner depending on what's required and usually comes with an agreement to clean up when done. Fan films often have their bad reputation in part for being spectacularly unoriginal low-budget attempts at replicating the big screen. Nearly every Batman film has to have The Joker claim "you made me Batman!" as if this is some stunning insight into the character that no one else thought of! Many of the ones people admire were actually made by effect and stunt men between jobs. "Batman: Dead End" was simply made for the intention of being a demo reel - it's pure fan wank! The general ruling is you can make a fan film for fun, but can't do things like charge people to see it in a cinema.
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I don't really understand the mentality behind making a fan film. If you're going to be spending money, time and effort on a film why not make something original?
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FreudianSlippers posted:I don't really understand the mentality behind making a fan film. If you're going to spending money, time and effort on a film why not make something original? I've always wondered this about fan fiction too. At least that a person can make on their own though, trying to get other people to help you make your love letter to fictional characters must be tough.
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BiggerJ posted:Concerning the failed Final Fantasy VII fanfilm attempt, how hard is it to get actual actors for fanfilms? Wouldn't a lot of actors (name-actors and otherwise) not want to be associated with such a thing? Or is a role a role?
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Greggy posted:I've always wondered this about fan fiction too. At least that a person can make on their own though, trying to get other people to help you make your love letter to fictional characters must be tough. HEGEL CURES THESES posted:Walter Koening and George Takei have been in some Star Trek fan films, if I recall correctly.
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