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So uh, I finally formed the Empire of Britannia and personally hold claim on all of the kingdoms of the British Isles. I can mobilize over 100k troops so my dynasty is all powerful. However, it turns out that when I formed Britannia one of my new vassals had control of two duchies. Normally that's no big deal right? Well, due to circumstances that I can't even begin to wrap my head around, one of those duchies was the duchy of Thrace. Which means Constantinople is now part of the British Empire. Which is bordered by an unbroken Mongol blob. So, uh, what should I do here?
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Aug 23, 2013 00:12
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 It's a shame she's got a younger brother who's also a Genius.
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Aug 23, 2013 00:14
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So uh, I finally formed the Empire of Britannia and personally hold claim on all of the kingdoms of the British Isles. I can mobilize over 100k troops so my dynasty is all powerful. However, it turns out that when I formed Britannia one of my new vassals had control of two duchies. Normally that's no big deal right? Well, due to circumstances that I can't even begin to wrap my head around, one of those duchies was the duchy of Thrace. Which means Constantinople is now part of the British Empire. Which is bordered by an unbroken Mongol blob. So, uh, what should I do here? How many troops can the Mongols mobilize? If you have them outnumbered 2 to 1 or are good at navalbombing you could go to (holy) war. Make the Kingdom of Greece, put a relative on it and grant it independance. Or hold it for yourself and go nuts.
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Aug 23, 2013 00:16
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What type of retinues are the ones that kick the most rear end?
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Aug 23, 2013 00:17
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Nuclearmonkee posted:You will be stabbed, continuously. If everyone is a part of the HRE/Byzantine Empire it will be riven by strife the entire time. Or you get your liege peaceing out of a war against half the world and you losing a single country and rage quitting, or all the hre superdukes and the emperor dieing in a single battle against hungary, or even your caliph betraying you and leaving your doom stack to die so he can gain the piety form winning the battle, all these things have happened in our multi-player games. DontMockMySmock posted:What type of retinues are the ones that kick the most rear end? If it contains heavy cav heavy foot, or better yet horse archers or pikemen, then build as many as you can. Rumda fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Aug 23, 2013 |
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Aug 23, 2013 00:31
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So uh, I finally formed the Empire of Britannia and personally hold claim on all of the kingdoms of the British Isles. I can mobilize over 100k troops so my dynasty is all powerful. However, it turns out that when I formed Britannia one of my new vassals had control of two duchies. Normally that's no big deal right? Well, due to circumstances that I can't even begin to wrap my head around, one of those duchies was the duchy of Thrace. Which means Constantinople is now part of the British Empire. Which is bordered by an unbroken Mongol blob. So, uh, what should I do here? Either expand into Mongol Greece/Anatolia at your leisure or, if you don't want anything to do with the region, grant the Duke independence and let him get swallowed. If you do that just make sure they're not also duke of one of your de jure duchies. Alternatively, hold it until the Mongols try to claim it and surrender without a fight.
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Aug 23, 2013 00:33
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Mickey McKey posted:How many troops can the Mongols mobilize? If you have them outnumbered 2 to 1 or are good at navalbombing you could go to (holy) war. Make the Kingdom of Greece, put a relative on it and grant it independance. Or hold it for yourself and go nuts. I'm pretty sure the Mongols can mobilize at least 250k troops. There was a Crusade called against them a few years ago and I saw a stack of 90k troops among other stacks. They control everything from the Suez Canal (to be) up to Finland. Constantinople is literally the the limit of their advance so far.
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Aug 23, 2013 00:34
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DontMockMySmock posted:What type of retinues are the ones that kick the most rear end? Generally your culture specific retinue, particularly Greek cataphracts.
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Aug 23, 2013 00:34
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DontMockMySmock posted:What type of retinues are the ones that kick the most rear end? Greek Cataphract retinues are regarded as the best or Frankish/German Cavalry. Usually whatever your cultural retinue is is the best one overall, although there are exceptions. Skirmish retinues are good for sieging, Cavalry and Shock retinues are ok for battles. If a retinue has heavy cav, horse archers, or heavy infantry its pretty good, Archers and horse archers are the best for assaults during sieges. Edit:should be noted that cultural retinues receive a bonus to their values based on whatever your highest level cultural building would be. I.E Scandinavian Housecarls start with 60% extra attack even if you dont have housecarl training grounds built, although I dont believe this bonus stacks with the cultural building. SpRahl fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Aug 23, 2013 |
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Aug 23, 2013 00:39
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Goddamn, the GOT mod allows you to visit courtiers. I have like a million bastards, seems a bit overpowered.
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Aug 23, 2013 00:55
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Tom Smykowski posted:Goddamn, the GOT mod allows you to visit courtiers. I have like a million bastards, seems a bit overpowered. I don't think it's that overpowered, you'll get denied a lot unless you have good traits.
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Aug 23, 2013 01:01
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loving hell, I didn't realise that changing culture outright destroyed your culturally specific military buildings. Yeah, I totally spent all that time and money building up my Norse housecarl barracks or whatever they are only to lose everything when I didn't realise my heir had converted to Scottish. You'd think there'd be an alert or warning or something about this because as it stands the only way to discover it seems to be to have it happen to you. (I haven't checked, but does anyone know if these reappear as they were if you regain a character of the same culture? Like, I'm Norse and have two sons, my heir converts to Scottish and inherits, wiping out the Housecarl grounds. If he were to die before having a son, would my second son, who remains Norse, be back to level one for them?)
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Aug 23, 2013 01:04
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ThomasPaine posted:loving hell, I didn't realise that changing culture outright destroyed your culturally specific military buildings. Yeah, I totally spent all that time and money building up my Norse housecarl barracks or whatever they are only to lose everything when I didn't realise my heir had converted to Scottish. You'd think there'd be an alert or warning or something about this because as it stands the only way to discover it seems to be to have it happen to you. (I haven't checked, but does anyone know if these reappear as they were if you regain a character of the same culture? Like, I'm Norse and have two sons, my heir converts to Scottish and inherits, wiping out the Housecarl grounds. If he were to die before having a son, would my second son, who remains Norse, be back to level one for them?)
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Aug 23, 2013 01:10
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I think the horse archer/light cav retinue is the best one because it is majority horse archers and is only 1000 retinue cap.
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Aug 23, 2013 01:21
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Elective makes it basically impossible to marry-stab your way into inheriting a kingdom, right? I'm looking at a King of Scotland with a son and a daughter, but neither of them are the loving heir, so even if I stabbed the son it wouldn't fix a goddamn thing. Is there something I don't know or did I just hit that horrible "welp, literally nothing to do but hope I can fabricate some claims" stage? I was really hoping to create Britannia by fabricating Ireland, marry-stabbing Scotland, and invading England, and now I'm stuck at 2 out of 3 
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Aug 23, 2013 04:39
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CapnAndy posted:Elective makes it basically impossible to marry-stab your way into inheriting a kingdom, right? I'm looking at a King of Scotland with a son and a daughter, but neither of them are the loving heir, so even if I stabbed the son it wouldn't fix a goddamn thing. If you marry the children your offspring will get claims on the kingdom that you can then press. Inheriting an elective Kingdom is certainly possible just a bit more convoluted than a primogenature or Gavelkind one. The heir to the kingdom may change over time especially if the current king just became king as in the long run it tends to favor the incumbent family unless they are a different culture/religion. Alternatively you could just form the Kingdom of Ireland and then try to inherit duchies out of the Kingdom of Scotland, combine with fabricating and pressing vassal claims you should be able to usurp the title.
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Aug 23, 2013 04:50
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SpRahl posted:If you marry the children your offspring will get claims on the kingdom that you can then press.
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Aug 23, 2013 05:00
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Also, if you can become an elector in the kingdom by taking a duchy, you can vote for youself. If you're likeable enough people will occasionally vote for you and you'll have a shot at being heir. That's when the stabbing happens.
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Aug 23, 2013 05:06
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CapnAndy posted:Are you sure? I checked the children and they don't have claims. People need to start dieing before they get the claim, note how your children dont have claims on your titles while you are alive.
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Aug 23, 2013 05:07
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HenessyHero posted:Also, if you can become an elector in the kingdom by taking a duchy, you can vote for youself. If you're likeable enough people will occasionally vote for you and you'll have a shot at being heir. That's when the stabbing happens.
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Aug 23, 2013 05:15
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dogstile posted:How does the HRE get so huge anyway? In my game it rules everything from just below Denmark, all the way to Brittany, down to the Italian boot and has made progress into the Byzantine empire. Are they seriously meant to grow that fast? In theory having more vassals makes things more unstable but in practice the proportions of loyal and rebellious vassals stay about the same, so civil wars are rarely successful. And most dangerous civil wars are for claimants to the throne, so regardless of outcome the realm stays together when they end. I wish they'd tweak the AI to tend more towards independence factions than claimant factions, unless the claimant is already a prominent title-holder they have a high opinion of. Sindai fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Aug 23, 2013 |
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Aug 23, 2013 05:22
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How does multi work in this game? Specifically speed-wise. Does everyone play at the slowest speed, FOREVER?
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Aug 23, 2013 08:24
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CapnAndy posted:That... is actually doable. And entertaining! Alternatively, if you successfully press a claim on a kingdom with elective succession it reverts to gavelkind. As Ireland, I just took over all of Denmark (including 5 provinces in Sweden and 5 in Germany) by inviting the aging brother of the Danish king to my court, as he had a strong claim to the danish throne. I then married his daughter, who was his heir, and when she gave birth to a son, I pressed my father in laws claim on the Danish throne. With him on the throne, succession reverted to gavelkind. At this point he was 72 and infirm, and he very quickly died, making my wife the queen of Denmark and my infant son the heir to the kingdom. All of the dukes immediately rebelled to depose her, but I offered to join the war and kept her on the throne. At this point I could have selected our son as my heir (as I was using elective myself) and waited a few decades for my son to inherit both kingdoms, but instead I plotted to assassinate both my wife and child and immediately inherited Denmark myself. After installing new Irish dukes, I switched denmark back to elective once more so both Ireland and Denmark could go to the same heir. Lars Krimi fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Aug 23, 2013 |
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Aug 23, 2013 12:15
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How smart is the Auto Balance feature? I've got 4 Knight retinues and 3 Defensive ones and it wants be to put the knights in the center. That seems counter intuitive. Ha! Managed to kill the Emperor of MegaCarpathia on a crusade while he was already beat and at -100% warscore. Talk about embarrassing.   And the aftermath:  (92 holdings over the limit  )
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Aug 23, 2013 14:36
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:How smart is the Auto Balance feature? I've got 4 Knight retinues and 3 Defensive ones and it wants be to put the knights in the center. That seems counter intuitive. Don't mix retinue types like that, unless you have lot of knights in one flank and just a bit of defensive retinues in others - this arrangement will let knights smash flanks one by one and not suffer increased damage from being flanked. If you just autobalance keep retinues of same type, any leaders and tactics will usually boost just one troop type at expense of other.
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Aug 23, 2013 14:58
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Fat Samurai posted:How does multi work in this game? Specifically speed-wise. Does everyone play at the slowest speed, FOREVER? The speed is determined by the host. While the host has the ability to tick it all the way up to 5, it is hardly stable. Best I have been able to accomplish with 10 or so players is 3 ticks.
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Aug 23, 2013 15:24
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kingturnip posted:
Jesus, potential what, 29 dip? "Yes, give me all your land" "ok"
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Aug 23, 2013 15:48
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 (I'm hella lucky, she was tutored by the AI) NihilVerumNisiMors fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Aug 23, 2013 |
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Aug 23, 2013 16:46
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brb naming all my daughters after the Walküre
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Aug 23, 2013 16:48
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I find that it is quite easy to consistently get heirs with great stats if you use elective succession. You can marry your children and siblings for alliances and future claims, but keep a bunch of nephews and nieces etc. at court and marry them to geniuses with nice stats. When a male genius of your dynasty is born, tutor them yourself (or have someone else do it if your ruler sucks), and before long you should have a bunch of grey eminence geniuses with traits you selected sitting around ready to be nominated as heir.
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Aug 23, 2013 18:03
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Argh, I forgot, if you're looking for the CK2+ game, we're hanging out on Mumble at the IP and password listed in this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3521554
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Aug 23, 2013 23:36
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WilliamAnderson posted:Argh, I forgot, if you're looking for the CK2+ game, we're hanging out on Mumble at the IP and password listed in this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3521554 Can't make it unfortunately, hope you get some folks.
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Aug 24, 2013 00:01
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Wait is it strange for the HRE to disappear in a 1066 start game? Because it evaporated for me like a hundred years ago and I just got to 1300.
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Aug 24, 2013 00:05
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Wait is it strange for the HRE to disappear in a 1066 start game? Because it evaporated for me like a hundred years ago and I just got to 1300. It happens. It's not common, especially now that empires are more stable, and the HRE probably still existed, but just as a 1-2 county realm. I've seen easily 2/3 of a realm join up for an independence revolt against a particularly unpopular emperor before.
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Aug 24, 2013 00:13
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Just inherited a new empire and some of my relatives have a -50 Called into War negative against me. So, before I inherited he called them into one of his holy wars (he only waged two as far as I know)...why does that cause such a huge penalty. I'm missing something.
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Aug 24, 2013 03:32
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Charlz Guybon posted:Just inherited a new empire and some of my relatives have a -50 Called into War negative against me. You don't get annoyed when the AI calls you into a war?
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Aug 24, 2013 03:35
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SeaTard posted:You don't get annoyed when the AI calls you into a war? Just because you are called into war doesn't mean you actually need to help.
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Aug 24, 2013 03:37
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Here's a fun one: I reformed the Roman Empire, so I gained the Imperial Conquest CB. One of the Karlings is left with a single duchy in the Kingdom of Bavaria, which I conquer. This vassalizes him. I then realize that being a Karling, he has a ton of crisscrossing claims. A few stabbings later, he is now king of Bavaria, Lotharingia, and Burgundy. (Then since all of those are gavelkind, I have him stabbed in order to break up his powerbase.) Also, the auto-invite function is hilarious in a huge empire like that where if you are well-liked and have non-terrible intrigue, you can suddenly invite dozens of people at once and end up with like 500% plot power. The silliest is when I was trying to stab a widow in order to take her barony back so I could convert a bishopric to a normal county. I must've invited half the nobles in all of Europe and got a 2000% plot power.
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Aug 24, 2013 04:55
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Let's say I wanted to play a CK2 game with an eye towards forming the Dutch Republic in an EU4 conversion of it. What's a good start?
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As the King of England and then Emperor of Brittania, it seems like the AI really seems to have it out for me. For a couple of generations now, every single time my relationship with the Pope drops (usually because either my character or the Pope died and passed the title to someone else), whoever the current King of France is excommunicates me almost immediately, which then causes the Holy Roman Empire to declare war on me and roll in the gigantic doomstacks while I madly scramble to hold them off long enough to build up the cash and piety necessary to get the excommunication lifted, ending the war just before my vassals to revolt and send me running all over my realm putting out fires. It's grown incredibly predictable, to the point where I start preparing for it as soon as I see that the Pope died, but I now hold so much territory spread all over the map that it's getting more and more difficult to handle the double-whammy of HRE invasion and massive vassal revolt, especially since I won a crusade and now I have Jerusalem to deal with. Is there any way to stop France from constantly excommunicating me at every opportunity, other than appointing an antipope or taking France for myself? And if not, how do antipopes work? Are there any big downsides for my characters, do I open myself up to holy wars or something like that, and what happens when the antipope dies? Do I have to appoint another one? I'm nervous about messing around with antipopes, but I almost lost the last excommunication war and it's going to be worse next time because I can't effectively defend all my holdings at once anymore. Also, looking at screenshots of the map, I just realized I flat-out forgot to finish conquering Scotland after I created Brittania. Whoops!
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