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coconono posted:DC is also a Viacom property if I understand correctly. OneThousandMonkeys posted:Wasn't Hog Wild at least half-conceived as Bischoff's idea to build himself personal biker cred, according to Meltzer? Skinty McEdger posted:Russo's explained this in shoots. He thinks title defences are boring and that no one talks about them, whereas people will rave about and go out of their way to see a title change. He seemed a bit confused when one interviewer suggested that if you kept having title changes then they cease to be special, but he never seemed to understand the concept of diminishing returns. El Gallinero Gros posted:The thing Russo doesn't realize is that usually when people pop for a title change, it's because a bad guy has held the belt for a long time, or that an underdog the crowd likes is challenging for the title, or because it's a great finish that gets people off their feet. Skinty McEdger posted:The biggest problem is that "anything can happen" can eventually turn into "nothing means anything" through over use. RZApublican posted:To here Jim Cornette tell it, Russo's greatest weakness while booking was his inability to learn from anyone or to even want to learn about the wrestling business and how to work in it (what to do, what not to do etc.) BrigadierSensible posted:And so on and so forth with all the mistakes and idiocy that Russo would book. It could be cool, and indeed was cool the first time, but by the time we had seen it 273 times, it was stupid, and sapped any fervour we had in the product.
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Watching Russo booked wrestling is like watching reruns of Family Guy. When you know the twist is coming, it loses impact; when you know there will be some kind of twist, it loses impact. Sure it might be entertaining the first time around, but it doesn't age well and multiple viewings really let you see that cracks and flaws that you would have overlooked the first time around.
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I will say that I loved Russo as a heel authority figure in WCW, cutting promos so profane they'd make Scott Steiner blush.
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Family Guy is terrible upon first viewing, but so is pretty much everything Russo's done so I'll let the analogy slide
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Endless Mike posted:Technically that's one of two DC threads. That one is specifically to talk about how stupid DC is as a company. It was created because that discussion was making it hard to talk about the actual comics. The comparison is fun to make, but DC will never be sold off like WCW was for no reason other than their IP being some of the most valuable in the world. Yeah, I hear a lot about DC making dumb decisions(I mean, this exists: http://hasdcdonesomethingstupidtoday.com/) but I wonder if a company that owns Superman and Batman could ever really die.
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Halloween Jack posted:Time Warner, actually. Oh god, it's all becoming so clear!
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triplexpac posted:I will say that I loved Russo as a heel authority figure in WCW, cutting promos so profane they'd make Scott Steiner blush. Man, you are not joking. I recently reread Death of WCW and tracked down a video Bash at the Beach 2000 so I could see the promo that made Hogan so mad he sued, and the sheer amount of swearing going on in that show surpasses anything I remember from WWF in the attitude era. (Also the show was awful, much worse than reading about it had led me to expect. Why was the Steiner Recliner banned? It's a camel clutch.)
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Wario Kart 64 posted:Yeah, I hear a lot about DC making dumb decisions(I mean, this exists: http://hasdcdonesomethingstupidtoday.com/) but I wonder if a company that owns Superman and Batman could ever really die. People have wondered if a company that employed Hulk Hogan could ever really die, and now we're on the verge of finding that out for the second time! 
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1) Superman and Batman are still draws. 2) Superman and Batman aren't cripples and can still work. 3) Batman put over the court of owls so at least he still does jobs. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5HM4-uuFzo To his credit: I don't think he started one sentence there with "Bro I know but..." To his detriment, gently caress you Vince Russo.
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Wario Kart 64 posted:Yeah, I hear a lot about DC making dumb decisions(I mean, this exists: http://hasdcdonesomethingstupidtoday.com/) but I wonder if a company that owns Superman and Batman could ever really die. No, because if the company that owns Batman and Superman was looking like it was about to die, it could sell Batman and Superman. Then it could use that money to be on life support for a while, then it could die.
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Memento1979 posted:No, because if the company that owns Batman and Superman was looking like it was about to die, it could sell Batman and Superman. The only way Time Warner would ever sell Batman and Superman would be if the entire company itself was about to collapse. Even if DC Comics became financially unviable and they had to shut it down, they'd keep all the IPs for that sweet sweet movie revenue.
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whatsabattle posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5HM4-uuFzo More than anything (since they specified a name), hasn't Chris Daniels spent most of his career playing some kind of character rather than being "just" a wrestler?
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whatsabattle posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5HM4-uuFzo How does anyone tolerate interviewing this shithead without calling him out on the endless torrent of bullshit that comes out of his mouth?
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It's every single Russo interview ever, except with him now blaming other people by name instead of genrally while never admiting his own short commings.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Oh god, it's all becoming so clear! Solomonic posted:Man, you are not joking. I recently reread Death of WCW and tracked down a video Bash at the Beach 2000 so I could see the promo that made Hogan so mad he sued, and the sheer amount of swearing going on in that show surpasses anything I remember from WWF in the attitude era. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Aug 27, 2013 |
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I'm annoyed that the opening text doesn't spell "controversial" correctly.
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Saul Goode posted:How does anyone tolerate interviewing this shithead without calling him out on the endless torrent of bullshit that comes out of his mouth? I could only listen to him for about 30 seconds, he exudes self-importance. "This will be my last interview ever!"
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Halloween Jack posted:Shortly after AOL Time Warner purchased DC, Marvel's editor-in-chief loved to throw around references to "AOL Comics." So if you think subtle references to WCW being propped up by Turner money were crass, compare that. You have your timeline mixed up a bit. Time-Warner in some form has owned DC for close to 50 years. Warner owned it before the merger with Time and Turner. WCW did ban the elbow, or at least moves from the top turnbuckle. It was stupid.
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Halloween Jack posted:Didn't they ban Savage's Flying Elbow Drop? I recall that it at least had some half-justification that he was running in on matches to hit guys with it, hitting people with it after he'd already pinned them, etc. To my understanding he was stiffing people with those elbow drops too to protect his spot.
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I'd heard it was more that his hip was hosed and he couldn't stop his momentum very well anymore.
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I was a much bigger wrestling fan in high school than I am now, but it wasn't until I started lurking around PP that I realized just how incredibly hosed up the industry is. Going back to the Macho Man thing, if you're in a match with Savage and he just decides to hammer you with an elbow drop after the match for no real reason, you basically just have to lay there and sell it right? I imagine you can't clock him in the face right there in the ring (that's what parking lots are for!).BillyMays posted:To my understanding he was stiffing people with those elbow drops too to protect his spot. Can you explain why this protects Savage? Was he just trying to injure other wrestlers so they couldn't compete against him for matches later on or something? Or do you mean he just wanted to make sure he could still keep doing his signature move? haljordan fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 27, 2013 |
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Hog Wild is starting! http://psp-tv.com/r/greatestnitroinhistoryofoursport
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The real main event, the good motorcycle vs evil motorcycle match is starting now.
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Off-topic but what is the source of the image on that channel that looks like early TNA.  Is there a video of the full segment anywhere, and is it as bad as that gif implies?
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spongeh posted:Off-topic but what is the source of the image on that channel that looks like early TNA. Every other TNA weekly PPV there is a segment called THE INTERROGATORS where Don West and Mike Tenay sit down with a wrestler and fire off lightning round style questions while the wrestler says the first thing that pops into their head. The results are often humorous. Mike Tenay: Paul Heyman Kid Kash: uh.... JEWISH
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The Benoit/Malenko match is fascinating to me. It might be the most tone deaf match to an audience ever. They booked 2 overtimes; they continue to work a New Japan juniors workrate match to a crowd that could not give a gently caress. Like if it was a hot crowd it could be a classic but with what you got it's boring as hell.
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Willninho posted:The Benoit/Malenko match is fascinating to me. It might be the most tone deaf match to an audience ever. They booked 2 overtimes; they continue to work a New Japan juniors workrate match to a crowd that could not give a gently caress. Like if it was a hot crowd it could be a classic but with what you got it's boring as hell. Well the two overtime thing is kinda bullshit. It's one thing to have a good long match, it's another to basically just interrupt it twice to no consequence.
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Willninho posted:The Benoit/Malenko match is fascinating to me. It might be the most tone deaf match to an audience ever. They booked 2 overtimes; they continue to work a New Japan juniors workrate match to a crowd that could not give a gently caress. Like if it was a hot crowd it could be a classic but with what you got it's boring as hell. Isn't one of the Road Wild matches on the Benoit DVD? Is it that one? It's not necessarily like Benoit and Malenko were going to work any other kind of match, or that they necessarily should.
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They didn't seem to give a gently caress about the match but the only thig they actually booed was the announcing of the draw/end of first OT iirc, and rightfully so. What the gently caress is the point of overtime in a single fall match, and why do it in intervals?
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Isn't one of the Road Wild matches on the Benoit DVD? Is it that one? The point of those Road Wild show should have been to have 3 hours of hoss-offs and lots of leather and scantily-clad women. Even WCW couldn't get that right.
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quote:PV shows come and go, with a few new ones every month. Whether they are good or bad, because there are so many, few leave any kind of a lasting impression. quote:4. Dean Malenko (Dean Simon) retained the cruiserweight title pinning Rey Misterio Jr. (Oscar Gonzales) in 17:50. This was the best wrestling match on the show and an excellent technical match. It wasn't the right match to do in that it was a great Malenko style mat wrestling match. Misterio Jr. showed he was versatile enough as a worker that he be put in a position where he's not doing Mexican style and still have an excellent match. However, it was Misterio Jr.'s debut and he's got far more potential to get over and they should have to his stylistic strengths. Someone whose potential niche if he gets over like Misterio Jr. as being more of an attraction star (like a reverse Andre the Giant) and a kids and ethnic hero can't do any jobs until they are over or fans won't believe in them, even as little as jobs mean nowadays. No matter how much charisma Chavez had, if he had lost his first two big matches on American PPV, a 145-pound guy whose main appeal was to Mexicans would have never become for a time the biggest box office draw in boxing. Anyway, his "Tiger Mask" potential is already done to casual fans because they saw him in his debut against what fans perceive as a mid-level guy and he lost twice. After this match and even more after Nitro leaves one with the impression he's a kid with a few cute moves but no threat to anyone important. Malenko did a great job working on Misterio's left arm with various slams and submissions. However, by 10:00 in, fans were getting tired of it even though it was all solid and well executed. They picked up for Misterio's big moves, including a springboard somersault to the floor, a springboard dropkick and a Frankensteiner off the top before Malenko got the pin using a power bomb with his legs on the ropes. Most in WCW that had never seen him before and were skeptical of him seeing how small he was when he showed up wound up raving about this match. However, he showed less charisma than I've seen of him in any match in a long time. **** quote:Then came those two large dreaded nameless heels known as "We know who they are." The men with no name came out to a big babyface pop. Then, as a way to avert a threatened lawsuit, both men said clearly that they don't work for the World Wrestling Federation and said to forget about the past and talk about the future. After Bischoff accepted the challenge and announced the match for Bash at the Beach, Scott Hall punched Bischoff in the stomach and Kevin Nash power bombed him through a table. This got a babyface pop among some fans, but left others pretty much stunned. It was sold great as Schiavone left the broadcast position and Rhodes did a strong unity of the promotion interview. The fans still mainly cheered Hall and Nash when they left. quote:Dean Malenko again beat Rey Misterio Jr. in 8:42. Good match but it made no sense and again Misterio Jr. didn't look anywhere close to as good as he usually does (***1/4). I remember them running hype videos of him flipping around. Pitty they couldn't book him to win matches. quote:Rock & Roll Express, Psicosis, Rey Misterio Jr. and La Parka are all scheduled for Disney tapings in July. Rock and Roll exrpess blow a spot, and one of those other guys gets thrown into a trailer.  edit: The main event for the bash is Hall/Nash/??? v Sting/Luger/Savage and that Hogan is wrestling the Giant at Hog Wild so the pieces are being lined up, if not in place yet. algebra testes fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 28, 2013 |
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A midget in a mask? That'll never get over! I don't see this Misterio guy sticking around very long even if he stole Scott Steiner's signature move.
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quote:2) Kevin Nash choke slammed Eric Bischoff off the ramp and through a table after Scott Hall punched him in the stomach
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Chris Gaines posted:Bischoff was actually powerbombed He says that in the actual report, no clue why he wrote that in the introduction.
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