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More features! More characters! It's Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate! A Nine-Tails Fox character is being added, along with a brand new dungeon escape mode. In dungeon escape, 5 different characters are thrown together into a team and can be switched between with a single button press as they try to escape the enemy filled dungeon.
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Well, it depends. Do your allies get NPC benefits when uncontrolled? And for that matter, given I've not been tracking the series well, are NPC benefits a thing anymore? Things like charging up when a target's knocked down to get a free heal or power-up.
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Aug 27, 2013 14:17
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Policenaut posted:More features! More characters! It's Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate! A Nine-Tails Fox character is being added, along with a brand new dungeon escape mode. In dungeon escape, 5 different characters are thrown together into a team and can be switched between with a single button press as they try to escape the enemy filled dungeon. You know, if they fill the dungeon with random traps/layouts and enemy generals it could be an awesome roguelike-ish thing. Maybe I'm hoping for too much.
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Aug 27, 2013 14:58
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So it's Samurai Warriors again, with allies? Eh. They were so-so in 1, and I know nothing of 2 and onwards.
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Aug 27, 2013 15:47
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Policenaut posted:More features! More characters! It's Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate! A Nine-Tails Fox character is being added, along with a brand new dungeon escape mode. In dungeon escape, 5 different characters are thrown together into a team and can be switched between with a single button press as they try to escape the enemy filled dungeon. SW:Chronicles had you toggling between four characters to complete objectives, it looks like they're expanding on this and bringing it to regular consoles. This was fantastic on the 3DS, I think it has high potential for WO implementation. They're probably testing the concept out for consideration on how story missions can work for WO4, is my guess.
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Aug 27, 2013 17:02
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Policenaut posted:More features! More characters! It's Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate! A Nine-Tails Fox character is being added, along with a brand new dungeon escape mode. In dungeon escape, 5 different characters are thrown together into a team and can be switched between with a single button press as they try to escape the enemy filled dungeon. Now if they just released this on PC outside of freaking China (I'm looking at you DW7  )
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Aug 27, 2013 17:07
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Chortles posted:Errr, the river itself is from the flooding of Xiapi castle... but I'm told that Japanese adaptations had a history of having Lu Bu go out fighting; Yokoyama Mitsuteru Sangokushi had him attempt to flee on Red Hare, but then go out pincushioned by Cao Army arrows. I was really just referring to this:  Don't tell me that's normal.  It is interesting that there's a divide of that nature between the Chinese and Japanese versions though, I wonder what caused that split.
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Aug 27, 2013 17:09
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Who the gently caress is that supposed to be anyway? Chen Gong? And what's with the bdsm horse bridle?
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Aug 27, 2013 19:00
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5er posted:Who the gently caress is that supposed to be anyway? Chen Gong? And what's with the bdsm horse bridle? For more fun, laughs or horror: Liu Bei shares voice actors with Domon Kasshu and Ezio Auditore (Tomokazu Seki) while Cao Cao's voice actor shares voice actors with Light Yagami, Riku and so, so many more (Mamoru Miyano) Chortles fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Aug 28, 2013 |
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Aug 28, 2013 04:24
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Chortles posted:For more fun, laughs or horror: Liu Bei shares voice actors with Domon Kasshu and Ezio Auditore (Tomokazu Seki) while Cao Cao's voice actor shares voice actors with Light Yagami, Riku and so, so many more (Mamoru Miyano) Oh man, I can't believe I didn't notice. I guess in my defense he wasn't flipping the gently caress out in that way only he can do.
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Aug 28, 2013 04:40
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OatmealRaisin posted:Oh man, I can't believe I didn't notice. I guess in my defense he wasn't flipping the gently caress out in that way only he can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRf-ZoDQUfc Or skip to 3:25 of this for Liu Bei's introduction in this series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-mNgNGIzBI These pages in contrast are Ravages Liu Bei. Chortles fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Aug 28, 2013 |
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Aug 28, 2013 04:45
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Ah, there's that scream I know and love.  Lu Bu's gimmick is weird as poo poo though. I thought it was just a one-off for that last stand scene originally posted. Turns out no, Lu Bu just trains for the opera while fighting.
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Aug 28, 2013 04:54
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OatmealRaisin posted:Ah, there's that scream I know and love. The point is, read Ravages already and getcher Lu Bu on.
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Aug 28, 2013 05:21
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That version of Lu Bu is black? Ancient China was more cosmopolitan than I had been lead to believe.
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Aug 28, 2013 05:23
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Speedball posted:That version of Lu Bu is black? And Guan Yu is a dilophosaurus.
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Aug 28, 2013 05:32
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I have no idea what this means, but read further into that chapter to see a Liu Bei who manages to not say "benevolence". (As for the significance of that last page... look here. Same throne!)
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Aug 28, 2013 05:35
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Man, the manga seems way better than the anime. Not that the anime is bad, it just has some pacing issues. Does anyone have any stages they recommend for leveling Treasure Hunter in DW8? Everything else I have is just about level 20 but Treasure Hunter is level 8 and I think I got almost all of those off of Zhang Jiao's stage.
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Aug 28, 2013 05:45
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A bit of skewed history and legends: in the ROTK (not the real history) Lu Bu is portrayed as a brute who is disloyal since he betrayed his 2 adopted "fathers". Even in ROTK strategy games, he is always given low Intelligence with max Strength or War skill. But it's historically silly to have stupid oafs, no matter how strong, be put in position of a "general" since a "general" back then is less of a military ranking like it is now but closer to a manager of a militia. An idiot wouldn't be given that position. Ravages of Time likes to play around with the preconception of the ROTK legends and turned it upside down, like having Diaochan be a eunuch thus obscuring her existence in history, Zhao Yun an assassin for Sima clan, Zhang Fei a cultured smart warrior because historically he was a painter, the author made Lu Bu a proper general though outsmarted by true strategic geniuses. It makes the series more entertaining if you know the stories and legends behind it. Also interesting that Guan Yu is practically the most famous character for chinese readers while Zhao Yun was mostly ignored except for that one time he saved Liu Bei's infant son. But he is instead quite popular in japan such that he became the cover boy for most of the DW series since he is considered to be the perfect loyal soldier (even according to Zhuge Liang) so probably he is the closest of the idealized samurai code, unlike Guan Yu who had many missteps because he was pompous and full of himself.
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Aug 28, 2013 07:35
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Jibo posted:Man, the manga seems way better than the anime. Not that the anime is bad, it just has some pacing issues. Keeshhound posted:It is interesting that there's a divide of that nature between the Chinese and Japanese versions though, I wonder what caused that split. Gotta say though, the first time that Guan Yu gets astride Red Hare is cool as gently caress though (literally any other page on that chapter but this is massive spoilers):  wid posted:Ravages of Time likes to play around with the preconception of the ROTK legends and turned it upside down, like having Diaochan be a eunuch thus obscuring her existence in history, Zhao Yun an assassin for Sima clan, Zhang Fei a cultured smart warrior because historically he was a painter, the author made Lu Bu a proper general though outsmarted by true strategic geniuses. It makes the series more entertaining if you know the stories and legends behind it. quote:Chen Mou said he has been laying the groundwork for Liaoyuan Huo to become Zhao Yun, because he had a strange status in Liu Bei’s camp – he had high achievements, but less major assignments than his peers, and stayed by Liu Bei’s side til the end. So Chen Mou came up with Liaoyuan Huo. In the comic “this feeling of never being able to win someone’s trust is very fascinating.” Liu Bei’s trust in Liaoyuan Huo will only begin at the Changban Slope. The fun thing about the throne scene is that it's based on a throwaway line in the ROTK novel about Liu Bei's appearance.... oh, and "Zhao Yun" x "Diaochan" is a canonical pairing... which actually has huge consequences down the road. The author of Ravages is on record about Lu Bu being his favorite character for being honest, unlike all those who were glorified in history because they were simply luckier in covering up their tracks: quote:About Lü Bu, one of the famous Three Kingdoms generals, Chen Mou once mentioned that (in a Ravages Afterword) he cried twice over Lü Bu’s death when he drew Unhuman and Ravages. Chen Mou said he liked the character Lü Bu, because Lü Bu is not a hypocrite. Many people in China’s history did what Lü Bu had done, but they always covered it up. Chen Mou likes Lü Bu’s personality, because Lü Bu is honest – if he doesn’t like his job he gets another job somewhere else; unlike the traditional hypocrisy of the Chinese people. * This particular name had quite the resonance in Chinese history, as this New York Times article touches on.
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Chortles posted:"Zhao Yun" x "Diaochan" is a canonical pairing Wait, what? If you're not just talking about Ravages, where in ROTK is that?
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Aug 28, 2013 09:54
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Darth Walrus posted:Wait, what? If you're not just talking about Ravages, where in ROTK is that? The bit about the novel was simply supposed to be that the author of Ravages took a throwaway line about Liu Bei's appearance and gave it a shitload of meaning by having Yuan Shu twice -- the other time is earlier -- talk high and mighty about his reach but then fail to grasp the right armrest of his throne, which an earlier chapter reveals is actually oversized, while you have Liu Bei here seemingly effortlessly doing so; it's my mistake to have been sticking them on the same line and thus appearing to conflate the two.
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Aug 28, 2013 10:29
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Chortles posted:Whaaaaa...? No, it's Ravages-specific: "Diaochan" was a two-time cover identity for the eunuch Xiao Meng, but Liaoyuan Huo -- alias "Zhao Yun" -- ended up coming out to him by warning Gan Ning off of him during a battle. Problem was, Meng used the distraction to try and chuck Gan Ning off of a cliff, but that one left Gan Ning clinging to a cliff face while Huo held onto him for dear life... but one possible translation of the term he used at Xiao Meng in telling him not to let go was wife... realizing that Huo couldn't support their weight, and contented with knowing Huo's feelings for him, Meng kissed him goodbye and kicked Huo upward so that he could be pulled up while Meng plunged to his seeming death. (The "Xiao" here is just "Little/Younger", not a surname.) Ah, misread the sentence. I was aware of the stuff you mentioned in Ravages, but thought you were saying 'yep, that has its origin elsewhere as well'.
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Aug 28, 2013 10:33
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Chortles posted:I have no idea what this means, 
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wid posted:...Also interesting that Guan Yu is practically the most famous character for chinese readers while Zhao Yun was mostly ignored except for that one time he saved Liu Bei's infant son. But he is instead quite popular in japan such that he became the cover boy for most of the DW series since he is considered to be the perfect loyal soldier (even according to Zhuge Liang) so probably he is the closest of the idealized samurai code, unlike Guan Yu who had many missteps because he was pompous and full of himself. Zhao Yun's romanticized account I think resonated with the (also dramatized) account of Sanada Nobushige's career, and Nobushige is a huge paragon of martial valor- they both drew lots with an eventually losing side but demonstrated immense martial prowess and a stoic adherence to their principles and virtues.
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Aug 28, 2013 16:56
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5er posted:Zhao Yun's romanticized account I think resonated with the (also dramatized) account of Sanada Nobushige's career, and Nobushige is a huge paragon of martial valor- they both drew lots with an eventually losing side but demonstrated immense martial prowess and a stoic adherence to their principles and virtues. Also, out of the Five Tiger Generals, Zhao Yun was the only one, in both historical and romanticized accounts of the Three Kingdoms, who never acted like a dick.
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... are we talking Ravages or Souten Kouro? Because the latter also had Guan Yu riding around on his new horse naked while in Cao Cao's service... might have been an in-story dream though; the convo with a woman he was humping against a tree, not so much.wid posted:Also, out of the Five Tiger Generals, Zhao Yun was the only one, in both historical and romanticized accounts of the Three Kingdoms, who never acted like a dick.
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Aug 28, 2013 18:14
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Sonata Mused posted:Man, why do I even buy the new games? DW3 was obviously the peak. DW8 system DW7 storytelling DW vol 2 story system DW3 voice acting and free mode lines This is the recipe for the best Dynasty Warriors game.
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Aug 28, 2013 22:12
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The Orochi spin-off is perhaps my favorite thing that Omega Force puts out, and I dream of a day that they just don't give a poo poo whether or not it makes sense, they mash EVERY proprietary and licensed franchise into this glorious, hosed up, incomprehensible mega-game. I don't care what mental acrobatics it takes, this also includes Gundam.
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Aug 28, 2013 22:34
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I think Koei needs to stop making the weapon systems a game unto themselves. When I spend more time managing my weapons than in an actual mission, there is something wrong.
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Aug 29, 2013 03:13
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Darth Walrus posted:Ah, misread the sentence. I was aware of the stuff you mentioned in Ravages, but thought you were saying 'yep, that has its origin elsewhere as well'.
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Aug 29, 2013 03:14
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Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate Trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLpTn-mQMrA
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Aug 29, 2013 16:29
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The GIG posted:Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate Trailer. I should probably know this already but there's no chance of the Ultimate version coming in English is there?
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Aug 29, 2013 16:42
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Here's some screenshots for Samurai Warriors 2 HD and Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends.Lunethex posted:I should probably know this already but there's no chance of the Ultimate version coming in English is there? We got Orochi 3 Hyper and Tecmo Koei loves to shove revisions at us. I'd say it's fairly likely.
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Aug 29, 2013 16:45
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Policenaut posted:We got Orochi 3 Hyper and Tecmo Koei loves to shove revisions at us. I'd say it's fairly likely. Cool, I was mulling over Orochi 3 itself but since the most content version could come to us I'll hold out for that one.
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Aug 29, 2013 16:57
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Sonata Mused posted:I think Koei needs to stop making the weapon systems a game unto themselves. When I spend more time managing my weapons than in an actual mission, there is something wrong. That was the worst part about 8, probably the only part I'd genuinely call awful. HAVING to go through your weapons and sell them. It got even more tedious when you started paying attention to the effects in order to preserve certain things for tempering.
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Aug 29, 2013 17:55
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I like the Orochi system of weapon crafting.
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Aug 29, 2013 18:00
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Really sucks that as a 360 owner I'm getting screwed over once more not only on 8XL but on SW2HD (which sucks since SW2 is my favorite Warriors game). 
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Aug 29, 2013 18:02
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Suben posted:Really sucks that as a 360 owner I'm getting screwed over once more not only on 8XL but on SW2HD (which sucks since SW2 is my favorite Warriors game). Well, we're all grabbing PS4s when we finally make the transition to next-generation consoles, right? Won't ease the hurting now, but it should help for future Warriors stuff.
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Aug 29, 2013 18:08
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Sonata Mused posted:I think Koei needs to stop making the weapon systems a game unto themselves. When I spend more time managing my weapons than in an actual mission, there is something wrong. I'd say there is definitely something wrong because you shouldn't be spending that much time managing weapons in DW8 or WO3. Leave your weapons alone until you fill up your inventory then sell off everything that isn't at your highest tier of current weapon. Should take like five or ten minutes every few hours or so.
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Pureauthor posted:I like the Orochi system of weapon crafting. I totally do also. 8's system seemed like they were putting effort into making it worse but still functional. I wish you could temper 5 star weapons, or at least you could grind / re-run them for different traits.
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