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I don't know if you can really apply "historical claims" to the US or any other countries that are direct descendants of colonial holdings. For the US in particular, Manifest Destiny was basically just a poetic name for grabbing up any native land or European land we could without getting into any wars that were too big to handle.
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steinrokkan posted:Qing was definitely bigger in terms of actual control over Chinese provinces, (if we consider taxation to be the metric of government, Kublai's control was very much diminished in the lower reaches of China while 18th century Qing was the apex of Imperial control, probably greater than any other Chinese state). Also that previous map included a broad range of Mongolian conquests under the misleading header of Yuan. I dunno man, ask any Chinese and they'll tell you that Genghis Khan was Chinese and under his rule China became the largest that it ever was. It doesn't make sense, but hey! That is what makes nationalism fun. Though even Chinese Nationalists don't want that kinda territory.
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Shbobdb posted:I dunno man, ask any Chinese and they'll tell you that Genghis Khan was Chinese and under his rule China became the largest that it ever was. Isn't there this paranoia in Russia about the chinese hordes flooding across the border and annexing the russian far east? I mean wasn't modern mongolia established as a buffer state between russia and china or am I getting something mixed up?
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I always heard that Mongolia joined up with the Soviets to keep China away.
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Kalos posted:I don't know if you can really apply "historical claims" to the US or any other countries that are direct descendants of colonial holdings. For the US in particular, Manifest Destiny was basically just a poetic name for grabbing up any native land or European land we could without getting into any wars that were too big to handle. To quote David Cross: "It's called Manifest Destiny. Look it up; it's in the book, [that] we wrote."
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Peanut President posted:I always heard that Mongolia joined up with the Soviets to keep China away. Partially yes. Mongolia was occupied by Chinese troops following the Bolshevik revolution, then White generals (von Ungern-Sternberg, following Kolchaks influence in the region) took over for a while, then Red soldiers drove them out. Unfortunately for the Peking (Beijing) government, all of that happened during the most chaotic period of modern Chinese history in which China existed only on paper and was in reality divided between dozens of warlords, following the death of controversial President Yuan Shih-kai in 1916. It was a period in which basically all government revenue had to be spent on foreign debt and war idemnities, and tax revenue was legally locked on level it was in 1713 (by Imperial decree issued that year), just to illustrate Chinese (in)ability to resist Russian / Mongolian pressure.
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steinrokkan posted:[Roman] von Ungern-Sternberg Who was something of a character himself. It's a wikipedia article worth reading.
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Shbobdb posted:I dunno man, ask any Chinese and they'll tell you that Genghis Khan was Chinese and under his rule China became the largest that it ever was. Honestly, it doesn't make any sense to count the Qing as the largest Chinese empire either. The Qing weren't Han, they were Manchurian. When the Qing got overthrown and the Republic of China was established, there was a serious nationalist, racist streak to the whole thing. It was about overthrowing "those non-Han Manchurians" as much as anything. (Not to mention the fact that throughout the Qing period, whenever Han people rebelled--especially in Taiwan--they as often as not claimed to be re-establishing the Ming Dynasty. The Ming were seen as the last, legitimate Han dynasty throughout the Qing period.) Of course, modern China likes to downplay all of this since they like to claim the Qing Dynasty borders as their own.
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I can't see any scenario where the Chinese get Tuva back.
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Aug 30, 2013 03:29
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steinrokkan posted:Americans can't handle poutine.
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Ofaloaf posted:It's fries with gravy and cheese, which is about as American a dish as possible. I've seen it sold by street vendors in Detroit. And look what happened to Detroit. 
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:And look what happened to Detroit. Fries with gravy and cheese is in like corner joint in Baltimore. It's not a special thing, it's just one of the same 500 things in every take out place.
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GreenCard78 posted:Fries with gravy and cheese is in like corner joint in Baltimore. It's not a special thing, it's just one of the same 500 things in every take out place. that's because poutine is made with curds and not cheese.
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sbaldrick posted:that's because poutine is made with curds and not cheese. Pountine 
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That's astonishingly accurate compared to the Chinese maps.
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Some kind of polar projection. edit: Polar in the mathematical sense, not in the geographic sense.
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Fojar38 posted:That's astonishingly accurate compared to the Chinese maps.  It's just a Dutch map redrawn with Japanese labels
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Squalid posted:
Stereographic, here's a British stereographic projection from 1794:  Here's a link to the absolutely collosal version on Wikimedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1794_Samuel_Dunn_Wall_Map_of_the_World_in_Hemispheres_-_Geographicus_-_World2-dunn-1794.jpg It also includes a descripion of the projection in the bottom right corner, referring to the projection as the Analemma projection. Reveilled fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Aug 31, 2013 |
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neo_colonialsim.bmp is this map still accurate when it comes to french influence in africa. I think Hollande promised to end french intervention in africa in a speech. 
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Trench_Rat posted:neo_colonialsim.bmp To be fair, that's not so much neocolonialism as continued colonialism.
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Hollande is like the French Obama. He's not ending anything.
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Phlegmish posted:Hollande is like the French Obama. He's not ending anything. Except his career. 
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Fojar38 posted:That's astonishingly accurate compared to the Chinese maps. The Japanese even before westernization made a much greater effort to import western knowledge then the Chinese did and I believe made some discoveries of there own during isolation.
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It wasn't an isolation, they just very heavily restricted access to foreign knowledge. They made sure to keep up with advances in as many areas as they could.
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Lawman 0 posted:
Forgive my ignorance, but what does "Asian male preference results" mean in this context? edit: Oh I got it, by selecting male babies there is less opportunity for heterosexuals to have sex and so the age goes up. How does that apply to India then, do they sex select as heavily as China? Elim Garak fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Aug 31, 2013 |
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Elim Garak posted:..India...do they sex select as heavily as China? Can't speak to whether it is as extreme as China, but yes, to they point that they have to restrict ultrasounds.
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Yes, female foeticide is somewhat common in parts of India, even though it's illegal. It even has its own Wikipedia article. The male-to-female ratio among infants in the state of Punjab is apparently 1.26.
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Riso posted:It wasn't an isolation, they just very heavily restricted access to foreign knowledge. They made sure to keep up with advances in as many areas as they could. They didn't restrict foreign knowledge per se, merely foreign trade. Throughout the Edo period translations of Dutch scientific texts circulated widely, A well educated samurai in the 19th century had access to Ben Franklin's electrical experiments, and in many cases western scientific discoveries seem to have diffused to Japan about as fast as Dutch sailors could carry them. Lawman 0 posted:The Japanese even before westernization made a much greater effort to import western knowledge then the Chinese did and I believe made some discoveries of there own during isolation. China kept a closer eye on western advances than you might think. For example the Chinese calendar was reformed to incorporate Copernican advances in 1645, and sophisticated western perspectival painting techniques enjoyed some popularity in China at the same time, although they were widely eschewed in favor of more traditional painting techniques. I don't think they were as open to western medicine though.
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Lawman 0 posted:
 How heavily is that statistic skewed by East Malaysia and rural parts of the peninsula?
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Here's a fantastic interactive map breaking down the small arms trade around the world, I've spent all day messing around with this: http://balder.prio.no/armsglobe2/index.php Here's a video talking about the project in more detail: http://youtu.be/75E7e2Sew4w
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Lawman 0 posted:
 at Scandinavia and Iceland. Iceland fittingly has the highest teenage pregnancy in Scandinavia, but it's still lower there than much of the rest of the world. Teenage birth rate per 1000 women 15–19, 2000-09
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Why is greenland measured seperately from Denmark and why is greenland so high!?
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Presumably because teenage pregnancies are not considered abnormal in Inuit culture. Good question as to why it is measured separately, though. Historically, delayed fertility has been a mostly Western European phenomenon, and to some extent this is still reflected on that map. I do expect some of those developing countries to turn a lighter shade of red as they reach the later stages of the demographic transition.
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Chile, Argentina and those other two places in Latin America really stand out on their own, but I wonder how the rest would look if the statistics were available.
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Most likely black as well. I'm actually a little surprised that the rates in Argentina and Chile are that high, I would have expected them to be similar to Southern Europe.
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The fact that abortion is illegal in Chile is probably a significant factor.
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I'm probably wrong, and someone who knows anything can feel free to correct me, but isn't Greenland pretty much autonomous and just a few steps away from effective independence? That could be why it's measured apart from Denmark.
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Phlegmish posted:Presumably because teenage pregnancies are not considered abnormal in Inuit culture. Good question as to why it is measured separately, though.  (represents 2010 teen birth rate, 15-19, from here: http://www.sieccan.org/pdf/TeenPregancy.pdf)
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