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coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

The Fool posted:

Having bios passwords is a little weird, but everything else is perfectly reasonable. In wish more clients would allow me to turn off local admin.
We have stuff like DBAN and WDS and password recovery tools etc, available via PXE, so enabling a BIOS password also forces you to input that pass if you hit F12 to boot from other devices. So yeah, it would be a really bad idea (and inexplicably sloppy, imho,) to NOT password it if you have dangerous tools accessible, or users who're prone to trying to take matters into their own hands.

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slurry_curry
Nov 26, 2003
<3mini-moni+animu^_^

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:

Yeah, I agree with that for sure, it's just weird that someone at the vendor doesn't just go "oh yeah I can see how that's a bad thing to say" and change it.

Cause the user of master/slave terminology is inbuilt into mysql itself, and has been for years? A vendor cant really just change the code base, tho they could change how the reference it, but you would still be left with a interesting situation when you have to explain that to check the secondary server you run the command "show slave status;".

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:
Just read though this, I guess it's relevant since he works in IT and she does too:
http://chiekawabata.com/
:stare:

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


coyo7e posted:

We have stuff like DBAN and WDS and password recovery tools etc, available via PXE, so enabling a BIOS password also forces you to input that pass if you hit F12 to boot from other devices. So yeah, it would be a really bad idea (and inexplicably sloppy, imho,) to NOT password it if you have dangerous tools accessible, or users who're prone to trying to take matters into their own hands.

That makes sense. I guess I was just a assuming that both the user and admin passwords would be set. The concept of a user having to enter a bios password every time they booted their computer for normal use seemed really inconvenient.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Negromancer posted:

Cause the user of master/slave terminology is inbuilt into mysql itself, and has been for years? A vendor cant really just change the code base, tho they could change how the reference it, but you would still be left with a interesting situation when you have to explain that to check the secondary server you run the command "show slave status;".

I remember a kerfuffle many years ago about the same terminology being used for IDE hard drives.

The problem is that the Master/Slave relationship is not inherently racist and goes back FAR beyond our country's history. Anyone who finds an appropriate usage of the Master/Slave relationship in technology inappropriate needs to grow the gently caress up.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

evol262 posted:

Hey, look. Every copyleft project will have a similar license file. You can actually present these to management. They exist without :argh:ing

That's what I gave them. Retard management does not computer. That's why I'm :argh:ing

redstormpopcorn
Jun 10, 2007
Aurora Master

AlexDeGruven posted:

I remember a kerfuffle many years ago about the same terminology being used for IDE hard drives.

The problem is that the Master/Slave relationship is not inherently racist and goes back FAR beyond our country's history. Anyone who finds an appropriate usage of the Master/Slave relationship in technology inappropriate needs to grow the gently caress up.

Just start referring to it as Corporation/Employee and see who takes issue.

Anyone heard of/used ForensIT's User Profile Wizard? We're gonna be doing some heavy migration here pretty soon, would it be worth trying?

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

DragonReach posted:

umm, no the calendar doesn't change. 3 Calendar days is 3 days, had it said 3 business days it would be different.

Well, people can feel free to argue if they want. People aren't working on Monday. If you want to expect something to be done on Monday, feel free to be disappointed.

In other news, I really hate people sometimes. Our build system has an issue where if you put an add-in card in the server before the build, the build will screw up and you'll have to fix it manually. The build system will assume that the PCI add-in card is actually the onboard card, and vice versa, and nothing will work until you log into the crippled box and fix it.

It would be REALLY simple to fix this if we'd enable biosdevnaming. BUt no. We won't, because apparently our support monkeys are too stupid to know what to do when they don't see eth0, eth1, etc...

This is why I call them monkeys, btw.

So now, the only real way to fix it is to script some logic in cobbler, which our build guys refuse to do, because "its too hard."

In fact, I hope they still keep pulling this poo poo, because my boss is working really hard to get server build automation moved back to my team, which will make me very happy.

sfwarlock
Aug 11, 2007

AlexDeGruven posted:

I remember a kerfuffle many years ago about the same terminology being used for IDE hard drives.

The problem is that the Master/Slave relationship is not inherently racist and goes back FAR beyond our country's history. Anyone who finds an appropriate usage of the Master/Slave relationship in technology inappropriate needs to grow the gently caress up.

I got yelled at once for talking about slaving an audio track on a recording.

drukqs
Oct 15, 2010

wank wank you're a pro vaper I'm not wooptiedoo...

SEKCobra posted:

About google name updates: I was getting the annoying "please use your real name"thing as well again and again. Then I sent feedback to youtube about it and it stopped. When I heard people talking about it later, I thought maybe they removed the 'bother this person' flag?

I just gave in, now everybody knows that <Drukqs Smith> had a Legacy GT with a WRX swap with straight/catless exhaust, they know that I'm the one who menaced <downtown Drukqs' hometown> with two different ridiculously loud subwoofer setups...

slurry_curry
Nov 26, 2003
<3mini-moni+animu^_^

AlexDeGruven posted:

I remember a kerfuffle many years ago about the same terminology being used for IDE hard drives.

The problem is that the Master/Slave relationship is not inherently racist and goes back FAR beyond our country's history. Anyone who finds an appropriate usage of the Master/Slave relationship in technology inappropriate needs to grow the gently caress up.

Yea, that is pretty much the point I was getting at.

Also, people must remember that most open source software has ridiculous naming conventions due to the fact that it is created by a bunch of random geeks. Just because MySQL grew up and eventually got purchased by Oracle doesn't change where it came from.

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Negromancer posted:

Yea, that is pretty much the point I was getting at.

Also, people must remember that most open source software has ridiculous naming conventions due to the fact that it is created by a bunch of random geeks. Just because MySQL grew up and eventually got purchased by Oracle doesn't change where it came from.

Remember Monty "mysql" Widenius was born in finland. I dont know finnish history but i'll be pretty sure they didn't enslave folks.

Getting offended over terminology that is obviously not meant to be offensive is silly.

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug
A ticket went out!

"I'm sorry I have't done this in a really long time"

Thanks person on the support line for making me feel better about what you are doing.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


redstormpopcorn posted:

Just start referring to it as Corporation/Employee and see who takes issue.

Anyone heard of/used ForensIT's User Profile Wizard? We're gonna be doing some heavy migration here pretty soon, would it be worth trying?

I've use semi-regularly to migrate local accounts to domain accounts. It's been pretty easy and reliable.

drukqs
Oct 15, 2010

wank wank you're a pro vaper I'm not wooptiedoo...
FedEx drivers hot rodding through our parking lot in reverse...

What a dipshit.



Ruined a lovely BMW belonging to an employee who is leaving the company soon. She was in tears, the Fed Ex drivers' manager was being an abrasive, aggressive prick then we called some manpower out and his voice went up three octaves

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
Ruin a very nice 5-Series, then try to bully her. Way to send her into the holiday weekend. Oy.

nitrogen posted:

We promoted a support monkey to be a mysql DBA.

He just quit, on the spot, and I quote:

"I will not use or support a company or database that uses racist terminology like 'master' and 'slave.'"
How did I miss this, oh my god. :allears:

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer
A client called.

:ohdear: Um, I think one of the email alarms is going off.

:) Alright, what does it sound like (Our servers don't have actual, audio alarms. They can beep, but that's about it. I thought it might be a UPS that was reporting a dead battery, because those will beep and be annoying until you tell it to shut itself.

:ohdear: Um...It sounds like an alarm I guess.

:) ...OK, I'll be right over.

--

I walk into a building that definitely has an alarm going off, because you could hear it through 1 floor and probably 500 feet of rooms and poo poo. A 140db alarm is blaring from the server room. Turns out, the building alarm system was wired poorly by whoever put the alarms in and opening a door somehow 'broke' it and so that monster had been screaming bloody murder for the last 25 minutes across the entire building.

At least it wasn't my problem.

Canine Blues Arooo fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Aug 30, 2013

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
^^^ Been there, done that, and yes, it was our problem. :(

The Fool posted:

That makes sense. I guess I was just a assuming that both the user and admin passwords would be set. The concept of a user having to enter a bios password every time they booted their computer for normal use seemed really inconvenient.
It generally only pops up when you try to do something unusual during startup, if there was a bios password that halted the boot process every time what would the point be? Every user would have to have that password memorized. :(

drukqs
Oct 15, 2010

wank wank you're a pro vaper I'm not wooptiedoo...

coyo7e posted:

My favorite is when this comes in the form of, "Subject: ALL OF MY EMAIL IS GONE!!!!!1!!!ONE!!" and then I show up in their office and lo and behold, nobody's home. I open Outlook and all their email is there that I can tell, then go back to my office to receive another email, "MY EMAIL IS STILL MISSING WHY DIDN'T YOU FIX IT!!?!?"


I haven't really gotten any of this though... The way you guys describe helpdesk situations people have already gotten all worked up, hit a fever-pitch, are in a state of panic/pants on fire...

People here are so much more easy going and non-alarmist... It's weird. And I'll be in for a rude awakening when I get stuck doing helldesk for the corporation that'll swallow us whole.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

drukqs posted:

FedEx drivers hot rodding through our parking lot in reverse...

What a dipshit.



Ruined a lovely BMW belonging to an employee who is leaving the company soon. She was in tears, the Fed Ex drivers' manager was being an abrasive, aggressive prick then we called some manpower out and his voice went up three octaves

drat, that won't buff out... Atleast there's photographic proof and she should be able to get that fixed up without getting shafted by insurance.

In :yotj: news, after going all summer waiting for reply from the norwegian navy about a job (and eventually getting declined), I'm starting work at an automation engineering firm on Monday.

The boss already admitted that internal IT had been "treated like a stepchild" for the last year :ohdear:

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

Wibla posted:

The boss already admitted that internal IT had been "treated like a stepchild" for the last year :ohdear:


Every time I hear that I always am prepared to walk into an environment where someone who didn't want to ask for money used spiceworks forum support to keep poo poo going.

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams

coyo7e posted:

^^^ Been there, done that, and yes, it was our problem. :(

It generally only pops up when you try to do something unusual during startup, if there was a bios password that halted the boot process every time what would the point be? Every user would have to have that password memorized. :(

This is a thing that exists, I don't know why you'd do it, but it exists. Maybe you really don't want users rebooting computers, so it's there to punish them when they do it?

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
I have a request for recomendations on conference speaker/mics, specifically a bluetooth one that can be tethered to a PC (as charging station) in a conference room for skype calls and stuff.

I was looking at this guy, but the reviews I found said the mic quality was pretty poor. http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics-Calisto-620-Bluetooth-Speakerphone/dp/tech-data/B009VSGXP8/ref=de_a_smtd

FISHMANPET posted:

This is a thing that exists, I don't know why you'd do it, but it exists. Maybe you really don't want users rebooting computers, so it's there to punish them when they do it?
Yeah I know it does. I guess it could be useful to prevent theft wipes? But if you already stole the whole box, flashing the BIOS to default wouldn't be that tough. :crossarms:

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


FISHMANPET posted:

This is a thing that exists, I don't know why you'd do it, but it exists. Maybe you really don't want users rebooting computers, so it's there to punish them when they do it?

In my experience, it's home users that are misguided into thinking it would be more than a minor inconvenience if their computer got stolen/teenager tried to look at porn.

Caconym
Feb 12, 2013

Bitlocker pin codes. :getin:
God help you if you're off site and change the hardware configuration without turning bitlocker off first though.
Helpdesk has the code to unlock it, but we don't have a system for auth over the phone, so you'll have to show up in person.

Vin BioEthanol
Jan 18, 2002

by Ralp
Our disk image modifies bios to set a PW (pw just to access bios setup) and remove everything except hdd0 from the boot order. We have bit locker full disk. I always assumed pw + no cd/usb boot was a sorta weak but why not 2nd line of defense for a situation where a laptop went missing then later on a bitlocker vuln was discovered.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

nitrogen posted:

Well, people can feel free to argue if they want. People aren't working on Monday. If you want to expect something to be done on Monday, feel free to be disappointed.

People (hopefully) aren't working on Saturday or Sunday either, so by that definition 3 days would be Thursday.

I thought the whole point of the post that started this one was that the 3 day deadline was unrealistic. I was just trying to point out that it was even more unrealistic than first stated as the poster thought they had until tuesday.

dennyk
Jan 2, 2005

Cheese-Buyer's Remorse

Lum posted:

People (hopefully) aren't working on Saturday or Sunday either, so by that definition 3 days would be Thursday.

I thought the whole point of the post that started this one was that the 3 day deadline was unrealistic. I was just trying to point out that it was even more unrealistic than first stated as the poster thought they had until tuesday.

Exempt employees in America work whenever their company wants 'em to. Hell, Labor Day is just the first fifteen hours of my 70 hours of active monitoring for next week, which is on top of my normal 8+ hours a day of regular work plus a few extra hours of rebooting servers at 4AM next Sunday. :toot:

As for the OP, I'd guess some nice gentlemen from ICE or DHS are going to be stopping by next week and the company doesn't want to get fined. (Does it count as a :yotj: when your company puts down today as your date of hire on the official government paperwork they actually forgot to fill out a year ago? :v: )

mysteryberto
Apr 25, 2006
IIAM

redstormpopcorn posted:

Just start referring to it as Corporation/Employee and see who takes issue.

Anyone heard of/used ForensIT's User Profile Wizard? We're gonna be doing some heavy migration here pretty soon, would it be worth trying?

I've used it before about a year ago to move 10 computers from no domain to domain. It worked awesome. About the only thing people had to reenter was their Outlook password.

RadicalR
Jan 20, 2008

"Businessmen are the symbol of a free society
---
the symbol of America."

Caconym posted:

Bitlocker pin codes. :getin:
God help you if you're off site and change the hardware configuration without turning bitlocker off first though.
Helpdesk has the code to unlock it, but we don't have a system for auth over the phone, so you'll have to show up in person.

Having the time of my life with crappy TPM chips. Turns out on the Lenovo T420s, on some of them, the TPM chip will lock out by itsef even when the correct password is entered. Only fix for it is a motherboard replacement.

DragonReach Ghost
Sep 16, 2002

My Avatar is a Red Avatar

Lum posted:

People (hopefully) aren't working on Saturday or Sunday either, so by that definition 3 days would be Thursday.

I thought the whole point of the post that started this one was that the 3 day deadline was unrealistic. I was just trying to point out that it was even more unrealistic than first stated as the poster thought they had until tuesday.

The totally ridiculous part is that it says 3 Calendar days, 3 days on the calendar... not 3 working days, not 3 business days, so Monday. When most companies in the US will be closed. If it is not the US it is irrelevant.

angry armadillo
Jul 26, 2010

coyo7e posted:

I have a request for recomendations on conference speaker/mics, specifically a bluetooth one that can be tethered to a PC (as charging station) in a conference room for skype calls and stuff.

I was looking at this guy, but the reviews I found said the mic quality was pretty poor. http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics-Calisto-620-Bluetooth-Speakerphone/dp/tech-data/B009VSGXP8/ref=de_a_smtd

Yeah I know it does. I guess it could be useful to prevent theft wipes? But if you already stole the whole box, flashing the BIOS to default wouldn't be that tough. :crossarms:
We are to generate a BIOS password for every PC we put out but everyone follows a slightly different convention so every time I need to network/CD boot I end up pulling out the little jumper to wipe the PW :argh:

Dr. Jackal
Sep 13, 2009

Lum posted:

People (hopefully) aren't working on Saturday or Sunday either, so by that definition 3 days would be Thursday.

I thought the whole point of the post that started this one was that the 3 day deadline was unrealistic. I was just trying to point out that it was even more unrealistic than first stated as the poster thought they had until tuesday.

I-9 is literally, copy down your driver license/passport. check a box, sign. Hand it to HR and they pretend to care and sign, like <10min.

Also that car, is that a Golden Bear's alumni license plate vanity frame?

http://aws.amazon.com/rds/faqs/#86 if Amazon can mention slave, I think everyone is fine mentioning (master)-slave (in terms of database replication...)

ninja-edit.

GargleBlaster
Mar 17, 2008

Stupid Narutard
I'm having trouble downloading from my butt.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cloud-to-butt-plus/apmlngnhgbnjpajelfkmabhkfapgnoai?hl=en

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Pretty sure I brightened up some comcast tier1 supports day. I just received an arries modem/router combo because my old modem was not DOCSIS3.0. Installed it, raged a little bit at the web GUI, and I figured I wouldn't have immediate time to get it put in bridge mode so I'd have to use the built in wireless. So, a few hours later I get on the phone with their tech support to bridge the modem, it went something like this:

:yarr:Comcast tech support how can I help you?
:black101:Need my modem put into bridged mode

:yarr:Ok let me log into it give me just a minute...
:black101:...waiting...

:yarr:(laughing)What is this? hold on a moment I need to talk to a co-worker
:black101: politely sitting on hold

He finally comes back after a minute or two with a couple people in the background laughing
:yarr:That's a darn fine network name you've got there (Could hear someone in the background repeating the network name)
:black101:Oh... yeah.. I was a little angry earlier, glad you guys could get a good laugh out of it

The network name? gently caress You Comcast


He proceeded to bridge my modem and was very pleasant!



*edit* for content uh... all of you 3-day weekend people make me sad, I'm working a 10 today at the helldesk, and then 8 hours on monday of helldesk... At least I get double time for monday and call volume should be relatively low.

MF_James fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Aug 31, 2013

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

I installed this a couple of months ago and never looked back. Now all of my documents are securely stored in my butt, where only the NSA can see them.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
I've seen that one, but I'm still been using the original one. Is it as good as it claims?

GargleBlaster
Mar 17, 2008

Stupid Narutard
I'm using the British one instead, which uses the word "Arse". And yeah I went to IBM's site to test it, and read about IBM's new SmartArse solution.

Volmarias posted:

I installed this a couple of months ago and never looked back. Now all of my documents are securely stored in my butt, where only the NSA can see them.

I laughed too hard at this :D

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



jim truds posted:

Yeah, not sure if that alone would get him fired but he is quickly proving to be a bit useless and full of bullshit. He keeps telling stories of how great he is but none of the training seems to be sticking. He also brags about his unreal tournament clan from many years ago. Now that I describe him I've realized he is just :goonsay:

"Hey that's got a tinge of racism in it, makes me feel uncomfortable, isn't appropriate for the work place and is a terrible opinion" if he says anything to try to bully or "c'mon chum it's just a joke" you into lightning up say "nope. Cut it out."

Be very civil and professional about the delivery and content. Just don't let shock or whatever fool you into thinking you can't say something right there.

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Krobar
Sep 25, 2003
President - Bob Saget Fanclub

pr0digal posted:

We're switching to IP Office Server Edition soon from our terrible hosted provider.

Avaya was really the only solution for us because we're a mainly Mac house and Mitel has limited OS X support.

I foresee a whole ton of fun in my future supporting this.

Apple themselves use Avaya in their call centers (and outsourced ones) so you should be fine as that's one client Avaya won't want to let get away lol

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