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gleep gloop posted:If you ever had that depression diagnosed or treated by a health care professional you aren't enlisting. Only if you say anything.
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I saw a psychologist for a several months prior to enlisting in '09 that was even reported to my insurance at the time. I didn't say a word about it and got through just fine. Granted I just have a secret clearance because that's all my job required, so I'm not too sure how that works with TS I think it mostly becomes a problem if you've been prescribed meds, which I wasn't.
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shyduck posted:I saw a psychologist for a several months prior to enlisting in '09 that was even reported to my insurance at the time. I didn't say a word about it and got through just fine. Granted I just have a secret clearance because that's all my job required, so I'm not too sure how that works with TS Grief counseling will bring the process to a grinding halt.
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Godholio posted:Grief counseling will bring the process to a grinding halt. I filled out my SF86 just a couple months ago. If I'm not mistaken, grief counseling, family counseling, and counseling related to being a victim of sexual assault were all items that one is allowed to withhold according to the instructions on the current form.
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MiltonSlavemasta posted:I filled out my SF86 just a couple months ago. If I'm not mistaken, grief counseling, family counseling, and counseling related to being a victim of sexual assault were all items that one is allowed to withhold according to the instructions on the current form. Yes, people read instructions. Also enlistment contracts.
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MiltonSlavemasta posted:I filled out my SF86 just a couple months ago. If I'm not mistaken, grief counseling, family counseling, and counseling related to being a victim of sexual assault were all items that one is allowed to withhold according to the instructions on the current form. The SF-86 is only used to assist in determining security clearance eligibility. So while the FBI contractors don't have a reason to know about it, you can bet your rear end it's listed on your DD Form 2807-2. (edit- It's right here: 16) Seen a psychiatrist, psychologist, social worker, counselor or other professional for any reason (inpatient or outpatient)including counseling or treatment for school, adjustment,family, marriage or any other problem, to include depression, or treatment for alcohol, drug or substance abuse (6)(2)) http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd2807-2.pdf Hekk fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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I have a few questions about becoming an officer. First off, a year ago, I had a contract drawn up with the Army to be a 92M (Mortuary Affairs Specialist) right out of college. I did the ASVAB - got a 96 - and passed through MEPS just fine. Then I threw on the brakes since I honestly felt I wasn't ready and wanted a breather after a fairly grueling college program. So I told my recruiter to drop it and went and got a job. This job ends in November. My boss was in the Air Force for 20 years and he and I have talked a lot about the military and what I want to get out of it. He also told me to get a four year degree (mine is an associates in Mortuary Science) and become an officer instead of enlisted like he was. What I'm thinking about is doing AFROTC in conjunction with a degree in Mandarin. I know having command of a second language is useful in a lot of ways anyway and it's one I've always wanted to study. So who do I talk to about joining ROTC? I know there's a basic course for the first two general years, then a second Advanced course for junior/senior year, which I assume I'd be taking since I already have an AAS. Some of the information I've gotten seems mixed. One site says to contact an AF Officer Recruiter, the other to talk to whichever university I want to join with the ROTC program. Is 34MX the job I'm looking for? My boss said the officers who do mortuary work either had a different AFSC or name when he was in, but he was fairly sure that was what to ask for. Edit for bad link. Zhaan fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Sep 3, 2013 22:42
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Kanish might be a source on this stuff, he talked about some work he did with dead guys in the Your most (O_o) military experiences thread.
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Sep 3, 2013 22:58
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Serious question: why do you want to work in a mortuary for the military?
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Zhaan posted:So who do I talk to about joining ROTC? Recruiting & Retention Officer at an AFROTC detachment. They generally will not take anyone with two years or less. They'll tell you to come up with a degree plan that will take 2.5 to 3 years to finish. You'll be cramming two years worth of training and education into that one semester (if you're on the 2.5 year plan). You'll need that first semester or two in order to attempt to catch up to people have already been there for 1-2 years. You'll be competing against those people for Field Training slots. If you manage to get into and complete FT,then you'll spend the next 2 years in the "advanced course." When it comes time for picking jobs, only general AFSCs will be available. You can pick Services, but nothing specific within. You go to a Services school and you compete for specific jobs. The job you want may or may not be available. With all the being said, I've been out of the ROTC recruiting game for a few years, so your results may vary.
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Oxford Comma posted:Serious question: why do you want to work in a mortuary for the military? Because my general experience with civilian mortuary work - including a few guys who tried to recruit me out of school - is that they care more about making money than putting people to rest and helping families recover. This isn't universal, of course, but I've run into enough of it to look for an alternative. One of my other options is DMORT, which a couple of people at work have tried to help me make connections with, but it's not a 9-to-5 job, just a rare deployment in case of a mass fatality. The benefits of the military interest me as well and I'd like to end up in a federal job one way or another down the line. I'll check out that thread, Victor, and thanks for the info, TheOtherGypsy.
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I believe 38F is the new AFSC that will include mortuary work - Force Support Officer. Looks like mortuary training is a 5-day course after whatever generic 38F training there is. It might be one of those things where mortuary affairs is an assignment rather than a career path.
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Sep 4, 2013 00:01
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the air force cares deeply about putting people to rest respectfully and helping families recover
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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:the air force cares deeply about putting people to rest respectfully and helping families recover It's funny because they literally tossed remains in a dump.
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Godholio posted:I believe 38F is the new AFSC that will include mortuary work - Force Support Officer. Looks like mortuary training is a 5-day course after whatever generic 38F training there is. It might be one of those things where mortuary affairs is an assignment rather than a career path. From the one Force Support officer I've ever talked to it's an assignment not a career path, Force Support is a bunch of what used to be separate AFSCs crammed into one, which means by necessity you have to "broaden" between all the different specializations...and mortuary affairs aren't even a separate specialty, it's just one fairly small component of one of the what used to be separate AFSCs (services). Also AFAIK typically in the AOR the Army has the lead on any large scale mortuary operations and a significant portion of the Dover operation is civilians. So basically Zhaan don't go after a commission if you are set on becoming a mortuary affairs officer because a) there's about 20 hurdles you'd have to get past just to get the point where you are commissioned as a 38F and b) such a thing doesn't really exist (at least not in the AF), if you do get commissioned as a 38F you are probably going to spend your time overseeing people who gently caress up everyone's paperwork and then doing pointless manpower studies (just one of the many exciting areas of a force support officer!) because 38F is such a broad career field. e: Also not that it matters but that picture was a bunch of aerial porters in tech school who have nothing to do with AF mortuary affairs. The mortuary people have their own laundry list of gently caress ups.
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friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:the air force cares deeply about putting people to rest respectfully and helping families recover Stultus Maximus posted:It's funny because they literally tossed remains in a dump. Thanks for reminding me that happened 
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I always wondered what the "proper" disposal plan was, because dumping incinerated remains that the family doesn't even loving want always sounded very reasonable to me.
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Victor Vermis posted:I always wondered what the "proper" disposal plan was, because dumping incinerated remains that the family doesn't even loving want always sounded very reasonable to me. I don't understand what mortuary affairs was doing with random body parts anyway. If a part belonged to a dead servicemember, it should have gone with them for burial or whatever. I can't think of any reason to treat the part separately from the rest of the body. If it was amputated traumatically or surgically, it's medical waste and should be treated as such. It's not like there should be a grave in Arlington just for the body part until the rest of the soldier joins it.
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Axolotl posted:I don't get the outrage, either. It's not like they were dumping cremated bodies in the landfill. With regards to civilian practice, when we amputate someone's limb or remove tissue, that poo poo just gets incinerated with other medical waste sometime after the pathologists are done with it, as far as I know. Sometimes they find stuff afterwards. As I understand it, families decide beforehand, in the event that more is found, whether they want each new piece sent to them or not. Understandably, many choose not to subscribe once the majority is properly buried.
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I'm 23, work a blue collar job that pays 30-35k a year, and have a few college credits. I'm expected to make those same figures for the next 3-4 years until my seniority improves. From what I've been reading, I can use USERRA to join and hold my seniority slot until I'm through with the military, at which point if I return to my current job I'm looking at 75-85k a year. Is joining to learn a skill and get an "easy" way to pay for college advisable? Plus there's the idea of serving my country and trying to get out of my state.
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Damage8185 posted:I'm 23, work a blue collar job that pays 30-35k a year, and have a few college credits. I'm expected to make those same figures for the next 3-4 years until my seniority improves. From what I've been reading, I can use USERRA to join and hold my seniority slot until I'm through with the military, at which point if I return to my current job I'm looking at 75-85k a year. Is joining to learn a skill and get an "easy" way to pay for college advisable? Plus there's the idea of serving my country and trying to get out of my state. If you can keep your seniority slot I say go for it. If you want to get out of your state and see something different, the military is great. If you want to go back to college for free the military is great for that as well. I would say put some thought into what exactly you would be looking to get out of the military and then pick a branch and a job that seems to fit. Talk to people who have experience and don't let the recruiter blow smoke up your rear end.
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Damage8185 posted:I'm 23, work a blue collar job that pays 30-35k a year, and have a few college credits. I'm expected to make those same figures for the next 3-4 years until my seniority improves. From what I've been reading, I can use USERRA to join and hold my seniority slot until I'm through with the military, at which point if I return to my current job I'm looking at 75-85k a year. Is joining to learn a skill and get an "easy" way to pay for college advisable? Plus there's the idea of serving my country and trying to get out of my state. Doesn't USERRA seniority holds only apply to mobilized Reserve and Guard?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Doesn't USERRA seniority holds only apply to mobilized Reserve and Guard? That's what I thought, but I never researched into it.
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BLOWTAKKKS posted:There's no 6 year requirement for 3D0X4. No kidding. Usually the recruiter will just bend the truth but I guess he must have just outright lied to me this when he told me it required 6. quote:I know one guy in my current shop who actually shipped to basic with programming as his AFSC and had his AFSC changed right before tech school. Hold on. Are you sure the guy had it listed under his contract? I was under the impression despite the fact that the recruiters can (and will) screw you, if you have a job on your contract when you go in, you are guaranteed that job after basic. Have I once again been misinformed? quote:It's a career field that they're drawing down and even if you get it, there's good chance you won't do any actual programming anyway. Good luck though, I kind of wish I had waited it out. Well that's depressing. I would hope they would at least have you do something similar to the original AFSC assignments and not have you scrubbing toilets all day or something. 3D0X4 isn't the only job I would consider taking. These jobs look decent on paper: 3D0X2 (Cyber Systems Operations) 3D0X3 (Cyber Security) 3D1X1 (Client Systems) and 3D1X2 (Cyber Transport) (in addition to considering some 1N jobs but I have no idea what they involve from reading the descriptions) The above 4 jobs look like they would give technical training that would look good in the private sector Computer Science/IT field, looks like they have at least a secret clearance as well. I'd prefer a TS clearance but I had to get a waiver for having a $3000 loan go into default (it's current now FWIW), so I might be out of luck. ---- I remember reading a while ago that even though you technically swear in to service when you get processed at MEPS, you are actually able to back out until you ship out for basic training. It wasn't an official source I heard this from, so if anyone knows one way or another I'd appreciate you weighing in.
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Be careful about the 3D cyber jobs. I'm not sure which ones are which, but at least one, maybe two of those are help desk jobs. Resetting someone's password is usually the most exciting part of your day. I was in a comm squadron and saw a lot of those guys hating their lives because they enlisted to be all high tech and work on computers, and ended up with the shittiest tech job out there. I think there are some more 3D's out there who can be more specific.
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Don't sweat the loan/TS issue too much, that's not likely to cause any problems as long as you don't try to hide it.
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I'm currently in the DEP for Army Reserves. My girlfriend broke up with me and now all bets are off for me to join Active Duty and be stationed wherever that will happen to be. Am I correct in understanding that I can still get my paperwork changed before I ship to BCT so that I can get a new contract that is Active Duty rather than Reserves? I'd be missing out on a $10,000 bonus, but I figure with the money I'll be making with basic pay and BAH and all of that stuff I'll be coming out okay either way. Let's say I'm in this city right now and I do get a new contract, would I be able to move back in with my folks in another state and still be able to ship out directly from there? You know, as long as I go to the local MEPS and everything on ship day?
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Battle Rockers posted:I'm currently in the DEP for Army Reserves. My girlfriend broke up with me and now all bets are off for me to join Active Duty and be stationed wherever that will happen to be. Am I correct in understanding that I can still get my paperwork changed before I ship to BCT so that I can get a new contract that is Active Duty rather than Reserves? I'd be missing out on a $10,000 bonus, but I figure with the money I'll be making with basic pay and BAH and all of that stuff I'll be coming out okay either way. Slow the gently caress down kid. Go into the Reserves, get your 10k and then transfer to active if you feel like it.
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The Jebus posted:Slow the gently caress down kid. Go into the Reserves, get your 10k and then transfer to active if you feel like it. There's nothing for me in this city though. I'm only here because of her and now that that's over with I feel like I should commit myself fully into it. I'm stuck living with her for the time being so I feel like I need to go active now rather than later so I can jump start what I've ultimately been thinking of anyway, and get myself out of here and this situation. I signed a 6 year contract and don't feel like being in this city for so long now that my original plans to live happily here are out the window.
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First off, 6 years is a long time. That said, it also comes with a long A school, so you'll probably be out training for a year anyways. If you're active you'll be stuck in the military for 6 years, and not just any military, but the Army which means you'll probably spend most of your time not doing what you signed up for. Being in the reserves you can take the training you got in A school and put it towards a decent job. You'll also probably rank up much faster, and you might be called in to actually do your job instead of picking up cigarette butts in a parking lot. Think it over, don't do anything stupid because some girl dumped you. There will be plenty of girls to sleep with in A school.
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Sir Lucius posted:First off, 6 years is a long time. That said, it also comes with a long A school, so you'll probably be out training for a year anyways. If you're active you'll be stuck in the military for 6 years, and not just any military, but the Army which means you'll probably spend most of your time not doing what you signed up for. Being in the reserves you can take the training you got in A school and put it towards a decent job. You'll also probably rank up much faster, and you might be called in to actually do your job instead of picking up cigarette butts in a parking lot. You sign a new contract when you change components like that. If he did it prior to shipping, then he would ship with an AD contract that likely isn't 6 years(6 years being the standard reserve contract length).
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Oh, I didn't know that. Welp, 4 years is still a long time too over a girl.
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Keep in mind I'm not doing this to get over her. This was my original plan: moved out here with her a year ago (many, many states away from my home). Have a job currently. Just entered the DEP, Reserves component with a 6 year contract, 42A MOS, and $10,000 bonus. After I got back from BCT and AIT, which is only 4.5 months I was going to continue with my job, which, although it pays poo poo, I really enjoy. I would've worked on a Bachelor's all the meanwhile and do my time. Then, after my contract ended, I was going to re-up, only this time as a 35P, and try to make a longer career out of it. And then she dumped me and those plans with it. So, I was wanting to go Active eventually, thinking that I'd basically get to "enjoy" this city in the 6 years before my Reserves contract ended. Now, there's not really a need because there will not be that domestic life that I was planning on. Thus, why don't I just try and go Active now and get fast-tracked toward the life I was planning on living eventually anyway? At least now with her out of the picture I feel like I'm not tied down to anything and can live wherever the Army drat well needs me. Oh, except she isn't exactly out of the picture yet. We're still living together in the meanwhile which feeds into the decision to get out of here ASAP. It's going to be nigh impossible to find another apartment on my own income as my job, like I mentioned, pays poo poo and I don't have any financial help from anyone else. Everything is sort of coming to a head and I feel like I might as well try to make the jump. By the way, if they don't have 35P necessarily, I think I'd be okay with another 35 series job, although I really want to learn one of the DLI languages. 25 series I don't think I'd mind either, nor 36 (yeah, yeah POG).
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Battle Rockers posted:Keep in mind I'm not doing this to get over her. Try looking for another apartment first. Getting roommates is better than the options you list.
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manchego posted:Try looking for another apartment first. Getting roommates is better than the options you list. So basically, never go active duty?
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Battle Rockers posted:So basically, never go active duty? I have no regrets about going active duty, and think you should go for it if that is what you want to do. But be smart about it. If you have a contract already for 10k, don't give that up just to get into active duty sooner. Talk to the recruiter, if you can not get the same bonus with the job you want then go into the reserves, collect your 10k and then transfer to active. 10k is a lot of money, especially for a private in the Army.
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The Jebus posted:I have no regrets about going active duty, and think you should go for it if that is what you want to do. But be smart about it. If you have a contract already for 10k, don't give that up just to get into active duty sooner. Talk to the recruiter, if you can not get the same bonus with the job you want then go into the reserves, collect your 10k and then transfer to active. 10k is a lot of money, especially for a private in the Army. I definitely see what you're saying. I wouldn't want to give up 10 grand at all, so if I do explore my options as far as going active duty I'll make sure it's a job with an equal or greater bonus. Vasudus posted:Good loving luck going active from reserves. In terms of the actual paperwork necessary, or the personal and mental transition I would have to make as an individual?
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