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History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Organza Quiz posted:

You're right that they still think it's a place for making GBS threads. Try moving the litter box back to where they think it should be, and then slowly moving it to where you want it a little bit each day. That way they'll hopefully get used to the change as their mental map of appropriate making GBS threads places adjusts.

I've seen this suggested but I'm not sure how its going to work with the fact I would have to somehow gradually get it down a flight of stairs. The last thing I want is to have to precariously balance a box of cat poo poo on the stairs for x days, and if I get it over to the top of the stairs then the next movement is all the way to the bottom of the stairs I have this horrible concern that these two fluffy assholes are just going to start crapping at the top of the stairs instead.

I guess the only way to tell is to give it a shot, thanks though.

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Vidaeus
Jan 27, 2007

Cats are gonna cat.

Vidaeus posted:

My cat has been pissing indoors, not regularly and not in the same spot. Have been to the vet and ruled out urinary infections. Have tried Feliway. He is a neutered male, 5 years old. Nothing much has changed in the household in the past year. Have been cleaning properly using an enzyme cleaner (it's called Piss Off).

I am almost certain it is because neighbourhood cats wander around outside and mark the outside of my house and he sees them. He is an inside cat and gets let out to the backyard on an almost daily basis on a leash and harness. Sometimes he sprays the outside of the house, and we have caught him spraying just after he has seen an outdoor cat roaming around.

What are good deterrants to stop other cats from coming into the backyard? I saw the OP had something about moth balls? Are there any other enzyme/hormone sprays that work well, or electronic deterrants of some sort?

Any suggestions for my question from last page?

Organza Quiz
Nov 7, 2009


Grab Meatcastle posted:

I've seen this suggested but I'm not sure how its going to work with the fact I would have to somehow gradually get it down a flight of stairs. The last thing I want is to have to precariously balance a box of cat poo poo on the stairs for x days, and if I get it over to the top of the stairs then the next movement is all the way to the bottom of the stairs I have this horrible concern that these two fluffy assholes are just going to start crapping at the top of the stairs instead.

I guess the only way to tell is to give it a shot, thanks though.

Good point, stairs are tricky. If I were you I'd try getting the cats to watch you move the litter box from the top of the stairs to the bottom and actually picking them up and showing them that the litter box is not at the top of the stairs and in fact is now at the bottom of the stairs.

Good luck not stepping in cat crap at the top or bottom of the stairs, either way.

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride

Vidaeus posted:

Any suggestions for my question from last page?

The only thing that comes to mind, which might not be practicable, is that I've seen this handled on My Cat From Hell by trapping the outside cats and removing them. This, of course, assumes that they are strays.

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


Organza Quiz posted:

Good point, stairs are tricky. If I were you I'd try getting the cats to watch you move the litter box from the top of the stairs to the bottom and actually picking them up and showing them that the litter box is not at the top of the stairs and in fact is now at the bottom of the stairs.

Good luck not stepping in cat crap at the top or bottom of the stairs, either way.

As you move the litter box, try adding the Cat Attract Litter Attractant.

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

Dogen posted:

The only thing that comes to mind, which might not be practicable, is that I've seen this handled on My Cat From Hell by trapping the outside cats and removing them. This, of course, assumes that they are strays.
Yeah, I've been wracking my brain on this one and I've got nothing. This would work though!

Just make sure that, if you end up trapping cats, take them to a no kill shelter. Especially if you live near farming country, since semi-ferals make poo poo pets (if they can't be resocialised and are cooped up inside) but excellent farm cats.

Fruity Gordo fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Sep 5, 2013

Bleusilences
Jun 23, 2004

Be careful for what you wish for.

I am cat sitting a friend`s cat and I am going away for a night, should I give him more food? Like I won't be back until later the next day. He does not seems to over eat, some morning there is left over food from the day before.

Ema Nymton
Apr 26, 2008

the place where I come from
is a small town
Buglord
Leave him a little bit more right before you leave the home, in case he's the sort of cat who tips over trashcans when he thinks he hasn't had enough. But don't skimp on the water.

triskadekaphilia
Oct 29, 2004
Found a teeny tiny abandoned kitty yesterday... using the internet as a guide I'd say maybe 4 or 5 days old? Her (just assuming female at this point...looks kinda tortoise shell-y) eyes aren't open yet and her ears are still kinda folded forward, but she's trying to crawl around quite a bit when she's not sleeping, even if she's rather derpy about it. Been feeding KMR with the little bottle every few hours and doing the butt-rubbing thing to simulate momma cat, and so far so good - dunno how much she's supposed to weigh at this point (she fits in the palm of my boyfriend's hand) but she is happy to eat.

Teeny kitty face, for reference:


My questions:
I'm figuring I should go ahead and take her into the vet for a check up? I know she wont get her shots till she's a few weeks older, and she seems healthy, though her shut eyes are gunky and I don't know if that is normal gunky or bad gunky. We plan to put her on the scale just to start to monitor her weight.

She has a few fleas crawling around on her, and I'm not sure how to get rid of them. The lady at the pet store said to wipe her down with a warm wet cloth and wait until her eyes were open to give her a bath, but that seemed like personal preference and I don't know how a wet cloth will remove fleas?

Mostly though I guess I just want reassurance that we'll be able to play momma cat well enough :ohdear: We weren't about to leave a crying kitten out all day in FL heat and hope that momma came back or whatever, but she was crying outside when the boyfriend got into work, and was still there 4 hours later when he called me to come scoop her up. There's a huge colony of ferals that he's spay/neutered and released, but it's hard to get them all and abandoned kittens are pretty common over there. He raised one of his cats from a super little baby, but its eyes were already open and it was moving around when he found it.

Edit: Also, after googling, some sites say it's ok to use fragrance free baby wipes? I'd like some non-random-site confirmation on that one before I do it.

triskadekaphilia fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Sep 6, 2013

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride
Definitely get the little gal(?) into the vet, they ought to have some guidance on the flea question as well as checking for infection etc.

There have been a couple great threads here of people raising up abandoned kittens that young, so it's definitely within the realm of possibility.

triskadekaphilia
Oct 29, 2004

Dogen posted:

Definitely get the little gal(?) into the vet, they ought to have some guidance on the flea question as well as checking for infection etc.

There have been a couple great threads here of people raising up abandoned kittens that young, so it's definitely within the realm of possibility.

Went ahead and called and got her in just an hour or so ago. Looks like she's pretty healthy, and probably definitely a she. They combed out a lot of the fleas for me and I got a little flea comb, too. Feeling a little more sure after vet visit, so glad we went.

Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!
Yay! :3:

Random question, does anyone know why it's difficult to sex a very young kitten? Is it because their goolies are very, very tiny, or because vets don't like flipping them over and poking around when it's basically unnecessary because you'll find out when they're a bit bigger anyway?

four lean hounds
Feb 16, 2012

Vidaeus posted:

My cat has been pissing indoors, not regularly and not in the same spot. Have been to the vet and ruled out urinary infections. Have tried Feliway. He is a neutered male, 5 years old. Nothing much has changed in the household in the past year. Have been cleaning properly using an enzyme cleaner (it's called Piss Off).

I am almost certain it is because neighbourhood cats wander around outside and mark the outside of my house and he sees them. He is an inside cat and gets let out to the backyard on an almost daily basis on a leash and harness. Sometimes he sprays the outside of the house, and we have caught him spraying just after he has seen an outdoor cat roaming around.

What are good deterrants to stop other cats from coming into the backyard? I saw the OP had something about moth balls? Are there any other enzyme/hormone sprays that work well, or electronic deterrants of some sort?

Check out Home Depot (or equivalent home improvement store) in their pest/insecticide section. They have things that deter deers, snakes, and other animals so their might be something for cats or animals like cats (predators in general). If you can find the particular spot(s) the other cat is spraying, then I'd clean it with the Piss Off and make it so the cat can't get back to it by making it unappealing (deterrent spray, putting down one of those plastic chair mats spiky-side up, etc).

I'm sorry I don't have specific info but I hope that points you in the right direction.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

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My cat's back legs sometimes spazz out when he's kneading. It's not a new change or anything, he's done it as long as he's been around me at leat. Sometimes he's just kneading a blanket, sometimes he's laying on his side on my lap (particularly with his back against my desk), sometimes he straddles my leg. The latter is always accompanied by spazzing, and he gives an incredibly distressed yowl if you move him or your leg.

Any guesses what's up with the spazzing? Is my cat trying to jack it by kneading my leg, or what? He's fixed.

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Sep 6, 2013

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride

Fruity Gordo posted:

Yay! :3:

Random question, does anyone know why it's difficult to sex a very young kitten? Is it because their goolies are very, very tiny, or because vets don't like flipping them over and poking around when it's basically unnecessary because you'll find out when they're a bit bigger anyway?

I think it's because there's not any external junk to detect until a certain age.

I may not be the best person to ask though, we thought our oldest cat was a girl until he was like 5 and he got a lion cut and they found his empty scrotum. Despite being a stray, he had been neutered at some point. He even got treated for a UTI once without anyone figuring this out.

Rather Tonic
Apr 28, 2008
My husband and I found a kitten in our yard a little over a week ago, and have decided to keep her. We took her to the vet immediately, and she got a clean bill of health, with a follow up appointment tomorrow for vaccines and stuff. She's super adorable, and isn't afraid of people at all, but I'm afraid that lack of proper socialization has made her wild. She wants to play constantly, and despite the fact that we are trying to redirect her more violent outbursts at her toys, she is very rough. The vet said that despite being very tiny, she's probably seven or eight weeks old. I think that this is prime "playing" stage, but I feel like there is no other sort of interaction she knows how to have with us. She has never snuggled up to either of us, she hardly purrs at all, and she doesn't really like to be pet. I have tried the slow blinking technique that's always worked with my other cats, and it has resulted in her jumping at my face. I am trying to discourage this behavior, but I don't seem to be getting anywhere

Is there any sort of technique that I could try to introduce the idea that being pet is nice? Would Feliway possible help with the situation? Do I need to just keep being patient, or have I missed a window in her development? I know that some of this might just be her personality. I'll love her regardless, I just want to make sure I'm doing all I can.

cigani
Sep 26, 2009

by Fistgrrl
Hello, Cat People. I have cat questions.

There is a cat living with me, in my home. This cat has lived with me for six months now. I do not like animals. I wish to give this cat to another person, who will care for the cat in whatever fashion cats are preferential to being treated, as I do not wish the cat harm, I just do not wish to live with the cat any longer. She is approximately three to eight years old. She has blue eyes, and is black and white. Her hair is I suspect long for a cat. I wish to give this cat to a person who will care for the cat well. I lack the ability to care for an animal. She enjoys playing, I think. She eats "Fancy Feast", but not the seafood kind; I will say I am not sure if she will only eat "Fancy Feast", as they are the only cans of food I have ever purchased. Do not think that her diet is because she is pretentious, it is rather that "Fancy Feast" is the only cans whose serving size seems proportional to what you would feed a cat. The other food cans are much larger, requiring me to dispense the food from the can using a spoon, which I do not wish to do. So, if any of you would like this cat, please inform me. I will not be able to meet you in person, but I would setup a meeting at a mutually agreed upon place and time at which point I will leave the cat in her cat box at the location and return to my car at which point I hope, you could retrieve the cat, and I would then drive away. If it is of help, you would be able to name the cat, as I have never named her/him. Once I called it "Cat" and it stared at me, so I suppose that will work if you, like me, do not think naming animals is appropriate.

Thanks kindly for reading, and I hope you find yourself in good spirits this day.

cigani
Sep 26, 2009

by Fistgrrl
I am aware of your rules regarding the preceding. I do not mean to break those rules. I apologize if it seems that way. I meant to say this is a post I will be placing on craigslist, and I wanted the opinions of cat-lovers as to how likely it is to get "Results". Any wording I could change to make it more effective. I wish this cat the best and wish no harm to come of her, but fear that I do not know how to properly word a message to interact with catlovers.

moerketid
Jul 3, 2012

You would be way better taking the cat to a no-kill shelter in your area. You are as likely to attract a lunatic or awful human being with that Craigslist ad as you are to attract a genuine owner, perhaps more so. People use Craigslist to pick up animals for all kinds of vile reasons.

Thin Privilege
Jul 8, 2009
IM A STUPID MORON WITH AN UGLY FACE AND A BIG BUTT AND MY BUTT SMELLS AND I LIKE TO KISS MY OWN BUTT
Gravy Boat 2k
Yeah, please don't post it on Craigslist. It's more likely to be taken by a lunatic that wants to abuse cats, a lab that uses cats for animal research, or other horrible things. You don't know and can't tell anything about the person that replies, they can sound and look totally nice but are loving horrible people. Please look into no-kill shelters in or near your area.

Serella
Apr 24, 2008

Is that what you're posting?

I don't know where you guys are getting your "facts" about craigslist, but actually it's mostly used by normal people looking for animals, not animal serial killers and torturers. I agree the cat should be taken to a shelter, but you're acting like he's just offered it up to a Santeria with doctor for ritual sacrifice.

womb with a view
Sep 8, 2007

Okay cat thread, I have a question about cats, but the problem lies more with people. You see, I picked up an obese cat from the shelter in January, and was getting him to lose weight pretty well (his once firm moobs became floppy titties!)... But I've just been forced to go back to living with my parents, who also have their own cats.

My parents do free-feeding with dry food. I offered to take care of the feeding because my poor Henry was stuffing his fat craw to bursting, and he's already gained most of the weight back. My parents agreed to this, but the second their cat Marcus starts meowing they say they have to feed the poor thing and the massive heaping food plate comes right back out. Not only that, but as soon as Henry starts sitting in the food corner and chirping at them they cave and give him food because they think he's starving and going through hunger pangs and everything.

Is there any way to convince them that their dumb cat will live without round the clock food intake and that Henry is fine without it? Or a way to separate the food? I thought I'd reached the solution by finding a place that Henry couldn't jump to while the other cats could, but within a day he'd learned to jump it. :sigh:

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Cobalt Chloride posted:

Okay cat thread, I have a question about cats, but the problem lies more with people. You see, I picked up an obese cat from the shelter in January, and was getting him to lose weight pretty well (his once firm moobs became floppy titties!)... But I've just been forced to go back to living with my parents, who also have their own cats.

My parents do free-feeding with dry food. I offered to take care of the feeding because my poor Henry was stuffing his fat craw to bursting, and he's already gained most of the weight back. My parents agreed to this, but the second their cat Marcus starts meowing they say they have to feed the poor thing and the massive heaping food plate comes right back out. Not only that, but as soon as Henry starts sitting in the food corner and chirping at them they cave and give him food because they think he's starving and going through hunger pangs and everything.

Is there any way to convince them that their dumb cat will live without round the clock food intake and that Henry is fine without it? Or a way to separate the food? I thought I'd reached the solution by finding a place that Henry couldn't jump to while the other cats could, but within a day he'd learned to jump it. :sigh:

Here are several links for pet obesity:

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=3082

And

http://www.petobesityprevention.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Weight_Reductionin_Cats_General_Information.pdf

The hard part is that you might not be able to convince them enough that their cats don't need to be fed round the clock, especially when the cat is demanding it. Some people use their pets as en extension of self. In those cases, I find that the listing of all the various terrible diseases that are more likely in obese cats can scare some people into getting their cat to lose weight.

Ema Nymton
Apr 26, 2008

the place where I come from
is a small town
Buglord

Serella posted:

I don't know where you guys are getting your "facts" about craigslist, but actually it's mostly used by normal people looking for animals, not animal serial killers and torturers. I agree the cat should be taken to a shelter, but you're acting like he's just offered it up to a Santeria with doctor for ritual sacrifice.
I've been looking at Craigslist for my brother and father who both want dogs. Anything to keep them from buying a new puppy, I say.

It does annoy me when people say "$50 re-homing fee" or whatever. If you're just a person and not a shelter, that means you're selling the dog, so don't pretend you're not with some bullshit phrasing. :mad:

V V V OK, now I get it. :saddowns:

Ema Nymton fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Sep 7, 2013

Rat Patrol
Feb 15, 2008

kill kill kill kill
kill me now
Craigslist actually suggests people do that to avoid dog fighters or animal abusers from snagging a free animal. A fee gives a non-serious would be pet owner pause.

Blinks
May 9, 2004
Just cos a rape kit came up positive, that doesn't mean she was raped!
My new kitten is a loving dickhead.

Dogen
May 5, 2002

Bury my body down by the highwayside, so that my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride
Please reference the thread title.

marshmallard
Apr 15, 2005

This post is about me.

cigani posted:

I wish to give this cat to another person, who will care for the cat in whatever fashion cats are preferential to being treated

Thanks kindly for reading, and I hope you find yourself in good spirits this day.

I wish no harm to come of her, but fear that I do not know how to properly word a message to interact with catlovers

Is the writing style of this post intentional, or what? Do you think cat lovers are weird sperglords from the 1900s or are you trolling us?

Seriously, one of the weirdest written posts I've seen.

marshmallard fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Sep 7, 2013

Luminaz
Mar 9, 2013

oops !
Maybe he his getting old ? I don't think it's an issue, except if its painfull, because moustache are tougher than the "normal" ones.

Blinks
May 9, 2004
Just cos a rape kit came up positive, that doesn't mean she was raped!
So I'm pretty sure the kitten (Benjamin Cat) is deaf or partially deaf. I don't think he knows his name yet, which doesn't help, but when he is being a dick and loving with the other cat, climbing the curtains, scratching the carpet bare, when I clap or shout at him to make him stop he doesn't even flinch or react. His ears do twitch however, when I clap near his head (to test to see if he can hear/feel the vibrations) so I'm thinking he is partially deaf.

My other cat, Arthur Cat, shits himself at the noise and scarpers even when it is not his fault, so I know it is enough for both cats to at least react to.

I know clapping near his head sounds pretty awful, but I read on the internet that it's a good way to test his hearing in a basic way. Are there other ways to test it? I have him booked in for his second set of vaccinations in a few weeks, so I will get him and his hearing thoroughly checked then.

Does anyone else have experience with deaf kitties? Are there things I can do to make his life easier if he does turn out to be deaf?

Here's the little dickhead in question.



On a side note, he has had his staples out from the dog attack and has pulled out a good 4 inches of the dissolvable stitches, his wound isn't bleeding and he is pissing and making GBS threads as normal, as well as playing and harrassing Arthut Cat as normal. Should I take him in to get it checked over? He seems absolutely fine.

Ratzap
Jun 9, 2012

Let no pie go wasted
Soiled Meat
He's looking better and bigger than the last photo you posted which is good. One thing you can look for is his ears, watch your other cat as an example. Say someone clangs a pot in the kitchen, normally a cats ears will flip round to listen for it, if his don't, he's not hearing it.

So subtle noises and observation rather than hand clapping. Is there someone else in the house who can help you set up experiments?

Ktb
Feb 24, 2006

Blinks posted:

I know clapping near his head sounds pretty awful, but I read on the internet that it's a good way to test his hearing in a basic way. Are there other ways to test it?

You could try making food related noises; if you feed him dry food try shaking it and calling him when he can't see you or rustle the packets or something. I'd also try making that squeaky cat attracting noise (does that even have a name?) instead of clapping and see if his ears move.

My aunt had a deaf cat and it didn't seem bothered at all by it. The only thing she did differently was to walk a bit more heavily when approaching the cat if it hadn't seen her so she didn't startle it. Otherwise it led a pretty normal and happy cat life. It also enjoyed being hoovered :kimchi: actually that could be another way to tell, try switching a vacuum cleaner on on the other side of the room and see if he reacts. If he does turn out to be deaf I wouldn't worry about it affecting his quality of life too much. Cats cope pretty excellently with being deaf. The only thing I would be cautious about is letting him outside unsupervised if you are in an area with much traffic.

Enelrahc
Jun 17, 2007

Blinks posted:

So I'm pretty sure the kitten (Benjamin Cat) is deaf or partially deaf. I don't think he knows his name yet, which doesn't help, but when he is being a dick and loving with the other cat, climbing the curtains, scratching the carpet bare, when I clap or shout at him to make him stop he doesn't even flinch or react. His ears do twitch however, when I clap near his head (to test to see if he can hear/feel the vibrations) so I'm thinking he is partially deaf.

My other cat, Arthur Cat, shits himself at the noise and scarpers even when it is not his fault, so I know it is enough for both cats to at least react to.

I know clapping near his head sounds pretty awful, but I read on the internet that it's a good way to test his hearing in a basic way. Are there other ways to test it? I have him booked in for his second set of vaccinations in a few weeks, so I will get him and his hearing thoroughly checked then.

Does anyone else have experience with deaf kitties? Are there things I can do to make his life easier if he does turn out to be deaf?

Here's the little dickhead in question.



On a side note, he has had his staples out from the dog attack and has pulled out a good 4 inches of the dissolvable stitches, his wound isn't bleeding and he is pissing and making GBS threads as normal, as well as playing and harrassing Arthut Cat as normal. Should I take him in to get it checked over? He seems absolutely fine.
The BAER test is the gold standard test for hearing loss in animals.

There are many things however that can cause the signs you're seeing and as cats hide pain well, it's worth seeing a vet about.

If your cat is loving with his incision, it could dehisce or get infected. Have the vet check it out and throw a cone on him in the meantime.

Goobish
May 31, 2011

What can I use as a kitten safe disinfectant in a cat kennel? I finally captured the garage kitties and they are in a nice sized kennel. They mainly hang out on the shelves of the kennel, but there is quite a mess on the bottom. I guess I did not think about this before I put them in there! So is there something I can clean the bottom with, without taking them out first?

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
Motor is constipated.



I have a vet appointment for him tomorrow but he's been spending a bunch of time in the litter box trying to go number 2 without much coming out. (He's going number 1 fine) Is there anything I can try to help him out for today other than to give him wet food and try to get him to drink lots of water?

Rat Patrol
Feb 15, 2008

kill kill kill kill
kill me now
Maybe give him a little pumpkin? Not pie filing obviously, straight canned pumpkin

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Huntersoninski posted:

Maybe give him a little pumpkin? Not pie filing obviously, straight canned pumpkin

I'll try that tonight. Thanks!

Goobish
May 31, 2011

So I'm thinking just some dawn soap and water should be good enough to clean the kennel without irritating the kittens? They definitely don't want to come out of the kennel yet, and they just kinda move out of the way whenever I put something in or out. I really have no idea how long it will be until they trust me enough to come out of the kennel. Sometimes I think they're giving me friendly signals and then other times they do not want me near them. I guess I could call the vet to make extra sure, but I always see dawn soap advertising it's amazing animal-cleaning powers.

Also, should there come a point in time where I force them out of the kennel if they aren't showing progress? Or should I just let them stay there as long as they want to until they come out on their own?

Fashionably Great
Jul 10, 2008
My vet is requiring a stool sample from one of our cats for his one year checkup. How is the best way to do this with as little :gonk: and sad kitty meows? Cat diaper? Lock him in a bathroom? Watch his every move? If it has litter on it that is from a box that isn't 100% disinfected will that mess things up? The last time I took in a stool sample it was liquid poo poo on the carpet so that was easy.

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Fruity Gordo
Aug 5, 2013

Neurotic, Impotent Rage!

Goobish posted:

So I'm thinking just some dawn soap and water should be good enough to clean the kennel without irritating the kittens? They definitely don't want to come out of the kennel yet, and they just kinda move out of the way whenever I put something in or out. I really have no idea how long it will be until they trust me enough to come out of the kennel. Sometimes I think they're giving me friendly signals and then other times they do not want me near them. I guess I could call the vet to make extra sure, but I always see dawn soap advertising it's amazing animal-cleaning powers.

Also, should there come a point in time where I force them out of the kennel if they aren't showing progress? Or should I just let them stay there as long as they want to until they come out on their own?
I wipe out my cat's litter box with hospital disinfectant everyday, but she doesn't live above the litter box so maybe I wouldn't do that while they're still chilling in the kennel, but later on if they decide that that's the best place to poo poo ever you can use it.

I dunno what dawn soap is but if it's dish washing liquid then, yup, you'll have to mix it with water before you use it and then the suds will still be a bitch to get rid of. I reckon you should just scoop out all the crap you can, like every bit that's over 5mm in diameter, then sweep as much out as you can, then flood the bottom with a 2:1 solution of water and disinfectant, scrub and drain that out as quick as you can, then flood it with water and scrub twice.

From the sounds of it you can start leaving the kennel door open all the time now if you're not already. I know they're a bit skittish but they've got to start exploring at some point. Maybe before you even start cleaning the kennel, you should start putting the food a foot or so outside it, or at least next to the open door? Or maybe do this after you clean the bottom, I honestly don't know best practice for not freaking out kittens because I'm kind of like Sloth from the Goonies when it comes to kittens I don't know. I have discipline when it comes to cats over about 10 months, but, yeah.

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