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Jedit posted:Why do people keep saying "that's not as subtle as this really subtle thing Yeah I'm not seeing it either. What is it we should be looking for? http://simonpegg.net/2013/07/10/the-worlds-end-the-mermaid/ 
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", then not tell us what is subtle about it?
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apsouthern posted:Yeah I'm not seeing it either. What is it we should be looking for? The mermaids look like the women they fancied?
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Sep 5, 2013 11:03
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So they've got the same significance as the Sirens in 'O Brother Where Art Thou'? Dangerous Women
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Jedit posted:Why do people keep saying "that's not as subtle as this really subtle thing I was on my iPhone at the time and didn't want to mess up the spoilers. Edgar Wright posted these lovely images of the bar signs on his blog. http://www.edgarwrighthere.com/2013/08/24/the-12-pubs-of-the-golden-mile/ As you can see from the sign for The Mermaid, it isn't just the idea of mermaids as sirens, but also the hair color of the three mermaids. A red head between two blondes: a marmalade sandwich!
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Pretty minor one, but in Jackie Brown Ordell and Jackie meet at Jackie's favorite bar (The Cockatoo Inn, a seedy hotel bar), which Ordell seems overly impressed with in his weird over the top manner, suggesting that he's just bullshitting. Later on in the movie, you find out that he actually starts going to the bar.
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Sep 5, 2013 12:02
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parque bynch posted:I was on my iPhone at the time and didn't want to mess up the spoilers. Edgar Wright posted these lovely images of the bar signs on his blog. I love the blue smeared across a few of the signs.
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Sep 5, 2013 12:22
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Baron von Eevl posted:I love the blue smeared across a few of the signs. Woah, I think those are all the ones where a fight scene occurred. Deep. Edit: Yeah, someone confirms that in the comments. Also they point out that the face on the King's head is Simon Pegg. Tears In A Vial has a new favorite as of 16:45 on Sep 5, 2013 |
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Sep 5, 2013 16:43
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The Good Companions has 4 sad masks and 1 happy mask, which is where the first guy gets body snatched.
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Professor Shark posted:Edit: Nevermind, read that last part to quickly. It's "My life for you" which is a Trashcan Man line from The Stand, and knowing King, probably shows up in The Dark Tower series at least once.
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Bloodcider posted:It's "My life for you" which is a Trashcan Man line from The Stand, and knowing King, probably shows up in The Dark Tower series at least once. I'd forgotten about that- and yes it does, said by Tick Tock (who is very similar to Trashcan Man, I cannot remember if they're supposed to be other-world version of each other). I guess she was unknowingly making a pact with the Flagg/ the Crimson King.
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Sep 5, 2013 18:58
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Please consider that all of her prophecies come true, from the monsters coming at night to no monsters coming after they kill the soldier, all the way to the crisis ending when the kid is killed.
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Sep 5, 2013 19:08
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scary ghost dog posted:Please consider that all of her prophecies come true, from the monsters coming at night to no monsters coming after they kill the soldier, all the way to the crisis ending when the kid is killed. So wait, she was always an agent, and was being used as an unconvincing conduit of the truth to get people to act irrationally / allow her master to gloat, and her "My life for you" line was just identifying herself to another minion of her master? 
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:So wait, she was always an agent, and was being used as an unconvincing conduit of the truth to get people to act irrationally / allow her master to gloat, and her "My life for you" line was just identifying herself to another minion of her master? No, its that the reason The Mist is so good is because the character you're conditioned to hate is 100% correct in everything she says and had people simply listened to her there would be no problems. The Mist is basically a complete rebuttal of "I'd act sanely in a supernatural circumstance" mindset that many people carry with them into these sorts of films.
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Barudak posted:No, its that the reason The Mist is so good is because the character you're conditioned to hate is 100% correct in everything she says and had people simply listened to her there would be no problems. The Mist is basically a complete rebuttal of "I'd act sanely in a supernatural circumstance" mindset that many people carry with them into these sorts of films. Fair enough. I just like n-dimensional chess games.
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Also, "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but man what if 'the few' was like a kid and a sad soldier and to save the many you had to brutally murder them?? wouldn't that suck dude but what would you do right? what would you do???"Kugyou no Tenshi posted:Fair enough. I just like n-dimensional chess games. Those don't exist in King stories. Even evil is guided by emotion in his writing.
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scary ghost dog posted:Please consider that all of her prophecies come true, from the monsters coming at night to no monsters coming after they kill the soldier, all the way to the crisis ending when the kid is killed. Barudak posted:No, its that the reason The Mist is so good is because the character you're conditioned to hate is 100% correct in everything she says and had people simply listened to her there would be no problems. The Mist is basically a complete rebuttal of "I'd act sanely in a supernatural circumstance" mindset that many people carry with them into these sorts of films. I didn't really interpret her character that way- yes, she makes predictions that "come true", but they're always tiger-rock situations that could just be coincidence. It's obvious that her character is using both fear and religion to manipulate the group, and at some points she makes prophecies that don't actually come true, such as when she (clumsily) warned that leaving the market to go over to the drug store would result in more attacks (she's completely against everything that has to do with leaving the store, as it's become her little kingdom where people listen and bend to her will). *They left out a pretty awesome character in the movie: a British guy who seems like he's in control and a badass, before he's off-handily killed during the Drug Store venture. It was pretty surprising and added to the "they're hosed" thing. Again, this "prophecy" is pretty safe to make, since the store had been subject to several attacks already, yet it doesn't occur. I believe that she also makes some allusions to her being protected by God, which obviously weren't true. The ending in the novella is much more interesting than the movies, which was cringe worthy I found. Instead of everyone dying save James Purefoy, then having that terrible actress from the beginning drive by with a smug look on her face (I TOLD YOU THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE RISKED BOTH YOU AND YOUR SON'S LIVES  ), it turns out that the reader has been reading an account left in a hotel lobby, typed up by the father the night before they attempt to leave for a town that they *might* have heard over the radio.
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Sep 5, 2013 20:12
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Stephen King liked the different ending of the The Mist movie though: http://io9.com/325279/the-mists-brutal-controversial-ending (obviously contains spoilers about the ending to the book and movie)
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Mierenneuker posted:Stephen King liked the different ending of the The Mist movie though: And he also disliked Kubrick's version of The Shining. The man has weird opinions about adaptations of his work.
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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:And he also disliked Kubrick's version of The Shining. The man has weird opinions about adaptations of his work. Kubrick's ending was pretty bad in comparison to the entire concept of the original work. It tossed the purposeful characterization of a crazy man as a human straight out the window and just made "crazy jack Nicholson wants booze" on the surface, with a ton of subtext stuffed in that makes it entirely a Kubrick creation instead of an adaptation. It's not bad, but if your version of the ending of your own book wasn't just changed, but changed so heavily as to alter the structure and themes of your story, you get a free pass on calling it poo poo if you didn't like it.
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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:And he also disliked Kubrick's version of The Shining. The man has weird opinions about adaptations of his work. I can understand that. Kubrick's Shining, while an absolute classic movie, was a horrid adaptation of the King novel. King put a lot of himself into that book, and most of that didn't translate to the screen. When it was more faithfully translated, the result was unfortunately not as memorable,
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Mierenneuker posted:Stephen King liked the different ending of the The Mist movie though: One of the weird things about King is he has confidence issues in his ability to write endings. I've listened to interviews and read On Writing (which is fantastic, btw, even for non aspiring writers) where he talks about how doesn't think he can write satisfactory endings, which I find bizarre because I think he writes fair to good ones. Another weird thing is that he usually loves adaptations of his work- I'm honestly surprised that he didn't like The Shining. ^^^ According to On Writing, he didn't even realize he was describing himself when he wrote The Shining. Booze-and-Cocaine-King was nuts, but very talented!
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Professor Shark posted:One of the weird things about King is he has confidence issues in his ability to write endings. I've listened to interviews and read On Writing (which is fantastic, btw, even for non aspiring writers) where he talks about how doesn't think he can write satisfactory endings, which I find bizarre because I think he writes fair to good ones. He used to. As he kept writing, his endings tended more and more into the realm of completely unbelievable craziness and usually resulted in a really well grounded, very realistic and scary story just spiraling out of control, with monsters and demons and all sorts of crazy bullshit ruining whatever suspense he'd built by making the story believable to that point. Off the top of my head, It, Desparation, Rose Madder and Insomnia, immediately spring to mind as books that had me absolutely riveted right up until the third act. Maybe it's a self fulfilling prophecy kind of thing where he starts to write bad endings because he thinks that what he does. poo poo. None of this has anything to with subtle moments in movies, does it?
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Professor Shark posted:I didn't really interpret her character that way- yes, she makes predictions that "come true", but they're always tiger-rock situations that could just be coincidence. As evidenced by the Black and White Director's Cut version of the film, as well as interviews with Frank Darabont, the movie is intended to have a sort of Twilight Zone extended episode feel. Given this, the excessively dark ending and ironic interpretations of the actions of the characters make sense. Also, it's Thomas Jane, not James Purefoy.
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scary ghost dog posted:Thomas Jane, not James Purefoy. It's crazy, since they look nothing alike:  ... but I have the hardest time remembering who's-who with these guys. What's worse is I love the movies they're in, but I think I've just starting viewing them as the same guy- "I love Tomjanejamespurefoy movies!" Edit: For content, in the movie Ironclad, much of the fight scenes use historically accurate fighting techniques. Professor Shark has a new favorite as of 10:22 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Professor Shark posted:It's crazy, since they look nothing alike: I dunno, I wouldn't say they look NOTHING alike...if I was really really drunk and watched two movies each with one of them in it, I might get them confused too.
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Sep 6, 2013 21:58
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Purefoy looks like Jane had sex with McDermott
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Professor Shark posted:It's crazy, since they look nothing alike:
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scary ghost dog posted:Purefoy looks like Jane had sex with McDermott I always mix this guy up with Daniel Day Lewis for some reason. If you ever saw him in Wonderland you'd know what I'm talking about. He's a modern day dead ringer for Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York. See?  
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It's not a movie, and it's possible I'm going nuts, but I've been re-watching Mad Men. This scene of Pete and Lane in Lane's office from season four, episode six: Kind of eerily reminded me of a later scene with the two of them in the same office, in season five, episode twelve: (potentially nms)  I'm probably reaching, but this show really is pretty amazing and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it had been foreshadowed even earlier.
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Crow Jane posted:It's not a movie, and it's possible I'm going nuts, but I've been re-watching Mad Men. This scene of Pete and Lane in Lane's office from season four, episode six:
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AFewBricksShy posted:I can understand that. Kubrick's Shining, while an absolute classic movie, was a horrid adaptation of the King novel. King put a lot of himself into that book, and most of that didn't translate to the screen. King still highly recommends the film in 'Danse Macabre'. He doesn't think it's a bad film, he just thinks it's a bad adaptation - which he's right about. But then it's always been his most personal work and he was very clearly dealing with his own substance abuse issues at the time. I'm sure that if you asked him which is the better film, Kubrick's or his own mini-series he'd still side with the Kubrick one.
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It doesn't help that Kubrick even makes subtle jabs that seem to literally be saying he's not going on the source material. For example, the Torrence family car, and the one of the same model the chef sees driving back to the hotel have had their colors reversed from the book from each other.
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Ask Anthony Burgess how he feels about Kubrick's film adaptations sometime. I'm sure your ouija board would get worn out around the letters C, F, K and U pretty quickly.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Ask Anthony Burgess how he feels about Kubrick's film adaptations sometime. I'm sure your ouija board would get worn out around the letters C, F, K and U pretty quickly. I thought that was because Kubrick had only read the American version of A Clockwork Orange, where the last chapter had been removed?
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He didn't read the original edition until he had almost finished the screenplay, but considered the final chapter unconvincing and inconsistent with the rest of the book so didn't consider using it. Wikipedia tells me that Burgess was actually appreciative of the film, if concerned about the lack of the final chapter but blamed that on the US publisher, not Kubrick. But then he did write a stage adaptation of the book in which during the final scene a bearded man comes on, plays a few bars of Singing in the Rain on the trumpet and promptly gets kicked off stage so I dunno.
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I guess all of Stephen King's horrible cameos in the films adapted from his work would count as "subtle", if you didn't know what he looked like.
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Professor Shark posted:I guess all of Stephen King's horrible cameos in the films adapted from his work would count as "subtle", if you didn't know what he looked like. Horrible cameos? I think you're forgetting something.  Holy ol' Jesus!
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Ez posted:Horrible cameos? I think you're forgetting something. His poo poo-upon cameo in Sleepwalkers is a highl...well, the highlight. Nobody does "weird loving yokel that no one wants to talk to" better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohz9AHZw_Ng
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His cameo as a cleaner on Sons of Anarchy season 3 episode 3 was pretty good. He plays creepy dudes really well.
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