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Feranon posted:Normally I'd be concerned about all this but Jake is such an awful character that anything is an improvement at this point. He could literally transform into Eridan and still be less annoying. Really, for being such an apparently powerful and important and handsome Aspect, the Hope characters are just the worst.
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Nephthys posted:She is still a Godtier, and that would strike me as an Unheroic death. I think dying in doing this to Jake could be crammed into a sufficiently broad definition of "Just."
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Sep 8, 2013 05:56
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Prison Warden posted:Really, for being such an apparently powerful and important and handsome Aspect, the Hope characters are just the worst. And the biggest bait for tumblr teen girls. But nah, I have the feeling Aranea's just fine, maybe getting a hang over from the intense amount of hope that just went through her brain.
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aegof posted:I think dying in doing this to Jake could be crammed into a sufficiently broad definition of "Just." I'm pretty sure it could fit into the narrowest definition just as well.
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Sep 8, 2013 06:32
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H.R. Hufflepuff posted:I'm pretty sure it could fit into the narrowest definition just as well. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Vriska died as a consequence of her hubris, and Aranea is definitely at risk here for the same reason.
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Sep 8, 2013 07:07
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If showing any form of initiative is wrong, I don't want to be right 
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Sep 8, 2013 07:10
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Well, that's the thing. It isn't that taking the initiative is bad, it's that the characters in this comic who do take the initiative also happen to have a unique talent for making bad decisions.
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Sep 8, 2013 07:16
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And we get a story from the results. The alternative is more boring than some claim Serket1 to be.
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Sep 8, 2013 07:23
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What about Roxy wasn't her cell across the way from Jake's? 
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Ammat The Ankh posted:What about Roxy wasn't her cell across the way from Jake's? She's also a god tier.
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I'm betting Condy will survive the explosion, but if Jade bites it/Jane's tiara gets obliterated they'll stop being evil? Also, it will be interesting to see if this changes Jake's character at all. If he goes evil and Jane/Jade keep being evil then this pretty much has to be Hussie loving around with the old theory that the Derse kids were gonna turn out evil.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:What about Roxy wasn't her cell across the way from Jake's? What about Dad??? He was in a derse prison cell too, and he's one of the few non-god tier characters in the comic at this point I hope that some time in the next few updates we see dad punching one of those hope angels in the head and escaping his cell
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Rooreelooo posted:What about Dad??? He was in a derse prison cell too, and he's one of the few non-god tier characters in the comic at this point The only thing that could kill B1 Dad was 4x prototyped First Guardian-powered Jack Noir. It's gonna take more than a heal/hope-splosion to kill B2 Dad.
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Dorroile posted:Am i missing something, or is that thing in the last panel an angel from Eridan's land? It also looks pretty similar to the adult Cherub on this page, if the green trail and its body were all the same shade of white.
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Whybird posted:It also looks pretty similar to the adult Cherub on this page, if the green trail and its body were all the same shade of white. They seem to be a bit different. The cherubs have big fluffy wings when they appear- the wings of the angels appear to be sparser, with a smaller wingspan, and the one that just showed up appears to have the same monster-shaped heads as the angels we saw before on LOWAA (as opposed to skull-monster shaped). uranium grass fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Sep 8, 2013 |
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Sep 8, 2013 16:03
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It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say there's an association between cherubs and angels, though. This whole bit seems to tie in with how Jake is oddly associated with lord English.
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Sep 8, 2013 17:30
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It seems pretty likely to me that Roxy has the right idea there.
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What is UP with the server? Roxy is looking pretty chill.
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Dolash posted:It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say there's an association between cherubs and angels, though. This whole bit seems to tie in with how Jake is oddly associated with lord English. Yeah, I don't disagree with the strong possibility that there are ties between them. They've both definitely been associated with the symbols of hope and hope players, I just don't think it's as simple as 'angels and cherubs are the same' in the context of Homestuck. Since we got to see Roxy get out okay, I'm hoping Dad will be the next one out!
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Sep 8, 2013 19:17
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Oh Jesus Christ. KindFang what the gently caress did you do?!
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Sep 8, 2013 19:18
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Come on, server, get it together! Well we're getting there. It's shown me up to Roxy chilling out mid earthquake.
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Burkion posted:Oh Jesus Christ. KindFang what the gently caress did you do?! Whatever it is, I hope the next update is a 5 minute flash animated plot twist.
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Sep 8, 2013 19:37
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Awesome Just how brain damaged was Jake if fixing him apparently destroys an entire planet
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Sep 8, 2013 19:45
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Server seems to have settled again and yes, Rox, I'd stay invisible as well.
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Sep 8, 2013 20:05
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It could be as straightforward as Jake having his Hopey Thing powers unlocked, but he has no idea how to control them and no experience to guide him in the matter. If he'd been allowed to develop naturally then his maturation would have acted as a guide as to the nature of Hope powers and how to use 'em, but because a Serket had to take a shortcut, things're going pear shaped. Quelle surprise.
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Sep 8, 2013 20:08
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I just realized, we're about to get two full fledged Dirks, and one weird ghost troll dirk hybrid thing. Brain Dirk is still Dirk and now, with the powers unlocked, dude is going to be REAL. Holy poo poo.
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Kazy posted:
Definitely a hopesplosion (check out the shape of the light)
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I wonder if this is Jake's Hope power kicking in or it's still the "healing"
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Sep 8, 2013 21:06
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 So, any chances a couple angels born here will be the cherubs Aranea spoke of in the legend?
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Bell_ posted:
While it's unlikely, it... fits surprisingly well. It'd explain why Caliborn's kind were never meant to play the game. And Jake English being Lord English's grandfather is pretty fun.
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Tenebrais posted:While it's unlikely, it... fits surprisingly well. It'd explain why Caliborn's kind were never meant to play the game. And Jake English being Lord English's grandfather is pretty fun. Just when you thought John's family tree couldn't get any more complex.
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The Ultimate Koos posted:something beautiful  Oh no guys now I'm really worried about Dad (and DD).
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These angels are white but cherubs are green. What does that mean. Trolls regarded angels as malevolent and even demonic, even mistaking Jack for one, but humans consider them largely benevolent (if terrible). Why is hope scary in Homestuck?
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Bongo Bill posted:Why is hope scary in Homestuck? It's a neat idea, emphasising the negative aspects of something commonly seen as good, reminds me of Nobilis. Hope... ...is never enough ...is always a lie ...controls the weak-minded Hope -is infectious - makes you want something better -has no basis in reality -perches in your soul
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Prison Warden posted:It's a neat idea, emphasising the negative aspects of something commonly seen as good, reminds me of Nobilis. Isn't that a good thing, though? You want things to be better, which means looking to where improvements can be made, and from then actually improving things.
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Bongo Bill posted:These angels are white but cherubs are green. What does that mean. Trolls regarded angels as malevolent and even demonic, even mistaking Jack for one, but humans consider them largely benevolent (if terrible). I think trolls regarded them as malevolent because Doc Scratch influenced their views on the matter.
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War Requiem posted:I think trolls regarded them as malevolent because Doc Scratch influenced their views on the matter. And yet, here we've got angels seemingly doing what Jack did. Eridan actually met angels, though maybe they wouldn't have been like this if he hadn't provoked them.
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War Requiem posted:I think trolls regarded them as malevolent because Doc Scratch influenced their views on the matter. I am pretty sure trolls regarded them as malevolent because eventually they were going to end up with players in a session where they were the theme of one of the planets, where they would be malevolent. Which doesn't discount that they were only malevolent because Eridan provoked them, which also doesn't mean that he only provoked them because he expected them to be malevolent because of the culture he grew up in. Basically in homestuck it's usually safe to ASSUME there's a stable time loop involved, and then go from there.
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