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It looks like I can get a set of the new Pirelli Angel GTs off the internet shipped and mounted for $360. I went around to the local motorcycle shops to see if they could come close and I could give them my money but prices range from $430 to $500. It's like they're begging people to buy things off the internet, I don't know how they can't even get close.
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Where are the wear indicators on the Pilot Road 3? I have a baby's first trackday coming up in a few weeks and I'm curious if I should be replacing my rear tire before then. Any ideas?
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Jul 22, 2013 23:42
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It's these things inside the tread. Sometimes they're pretty small and hard to notice.
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Jul 23, 2013 00:24
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It's recommended to get new tyres when the thread depth goes lower than 2mm. 
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Jul 23, 2013 01:05
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Coincidentally about as tall as the wear indicators. Also, you'll be fine on those tires bsamu.
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Jul 23, 2013 01:17
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That's simple enough, thanks for the quick feedback!
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Jul 23, 2013 02:10
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M42 posted:It's these things inside the tread. Sometimes they're pretty small and hard to notice. I wish I had read this earlier. Did not realise my back tire tread was massively under - thought it was the actual patterned tread that was the measuring device 
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Jul 24, 2013 00:27
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Always do a pre-trip inspection, folks. I was checking the pressure today and noticed some cracking around the rim. It's an '05, but it only had 5300 miles on it... Today I learned that tires need to be replaced due to age. Thanks, internet! Also, I'm going to go ahead an assume that I should stick with a brand that I've heard of. After doing some online shopping, I found someplace called Shinko selling $68.00 fronts  The've been feeling squidgy around corners. Probably because they're hard as granite.
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Jul 30, 2013 01:59
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Shinko is literally Cheng Shin V2.0. Make of that what you will.
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Jul 30, 2013 04:05
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They're $68 for a reason. If you're going for budget and your bike has normal sized wheels, buy take-offs. You'll probably pay less and end up with a baller set of tires with a bunch of life left in them.
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Jul 30, 2013 04:42
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bsamu posted:That's simple enough, thanks for the quick feedback! On Michelin's they're in-line with the Michelin man on the sidewall 
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Jul 31, 2013 01:48
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bsamu posted:Where are the wear indicators on the Pilot Road 3? I have a baby's first trackday coming up in a few weeks and I'm curious if I should be replacing my rear tire before then. Any ideas? End result:  Tires held up great! I thought I felt a bit of sliding on corner exit when I started giving it a bit more throttle but I'm not sure (because I don't push the bike enough to notice it yet). At what point would I need grippier tires? When I can't hold the corner speeds/throttle use that I want when I'm turning? On the track I went from terrified to almost confident over the course of the day so I'm not surprised that the tires felt fine.
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Aug 20, 2013 22:46
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Move to track oriented tires after your first day if you're giving as good as you're getting in C group. Once you're in B, move to DOT race tires. You don't need the additional stick based on laptimes but they are more forgiving and will slide and hook back up better if you get in over your head.
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Aug 20, 2013 23:25
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Question for those more knowledgeable than me - I recently replaced my Bridgestone Battleax bt023 and I think bt017 tyres with a battleax bt54r combo. I was not aware at the time that this combo was such old technology and since putting them on, I have noticed distinctly less traction, even in situations where I am not pushing the tyre remotely to its limits. For example, yesterday, going over a shallow puddle, my rear slid out at 10mph so much that I nearly lowsided. I was in first gear, roughly 2k rpm, and wasn't jittery on my throttle in the slightest, my rear just went for a ball of poo poo. I also noticed loss of traction in first, second and third if I put power down too quickly. My gut feel is the tyre has been sitting around for a really long time and the rubber has hardened or there is some other serious flaw in the tyre itself. I've put 500 miles on them, so it can't be the silicone layer, at least I hope not. Should I wait it out? Replace them? I am at a loss as to what to do, as the shop where I bought them has said I have used them past the point they will take them back, and nowhere seems willing to trade them in on a new set. I don't particularly feel like writing off $200 and then spending an additional $300 on a new set, leaving me essentially $500 out of pocket. What can I do with these godsawful tyres?
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Sep 9, 2013 08:07
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Massive burnout.
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Sep 9, 2013 08:38
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Motorcycle tyres aren't flat. Do some slaloms with lots of side to side to scuff the sides.
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Sep 9, 2013 09:38
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Shimrod posted:Massive burnout.  KARMA! posted:Motorcycle tyres aren't flat. Do some slaloms with lots of side to side to scuff the sides. I do, every morning on my way to work, and on my way home in the evening I slalom through every repeated road marking, and often slalom for shits and giggles. Irritates my girlfriend beyond words and she'll berate me for "driving all over the road!" and "why can't you just drive in a straight line like a normal person?" , to which I try and explain that riding like that prepares me for potential hazards and improves my avoidance skills, or that it's just .. fun? It never goes down well though.
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Sep 9, 2013 11:17
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How old are the tires? I'd check the date code and then harass the dealership or shop to trade them in, because theyre probably ancient. Otherwise, if the dates are ok check pressures and make sure they were reinstalled correctly/etc.
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Sep 9, 2013 17:10
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Z3n posted:How old are the tires? I'd check the date code and then harass the dealership or shop to trade them in, because theyre probably ancient. Otherwise, if the dates are ok check pressures and make sure they were reinstalled correctly/etc. 19 week of 2001. Fantastic. Taking it further because they are not budging about replacement.
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Sep 10, 2013 07:57
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sildargod posted:19 week of 2001. Fantastic. Taking it further because they are not budging about replacement. Wow. They sold you loving 12 year old tires. Thats crazy. At best, 2x past their usable age. I'd contact the maker of the tire and see if they can put pressure on the dealership too.
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Sep 10, 2013 10:47
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That's loving appalling. From Bridgestone's .au website: "...tyre companies, including Bridgestone, warrant their tyres against manufacturing and material defects for five years from the date of manufacture. Based on their understanding a number of vehicle manufacturers are now advising against the use of tyres that are more than six years old due to the effects of ageing."
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Sep 10, 2013 11:25
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Bridgestone are going to be assessing the tyres tomorrow, it appears I was mistaken though, the tyres were manufactured earlier this year. They do say that they are going to see what steps can be taken if I am very unhappy with the tyres (I am) so it appears things will hopefully end on a high note.
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Sep 10, 2013 13:19
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I'm looking for advice on track tires. Dunlop Q2s have worked great for me so far, even after I moved up to the advanced group, but I'm starting to feel small slips under trail braking and at max lean. So I'm looking at the D211 MEGA DEAL for my next set of tires: http://stores.racetireservice.com/-strse-52/200-fdsh-55x17-200-fdsh-55-200-Mega/Detail.bok If I go with the "med+" compound front and rear, is that still an improvement over Q2 levels of grip? Or would I start sliding the D211 in the first few sessions of my next trackday?
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Sep 10, 2013 21:38
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Bazacko posted:I'm looking for advice on track tires. Yes, they will be better than the Q2s, and you can slide any tire with enough throttle and lean angle, so that's sort of an irrelevant metric. FWIW, if you're in B group and you're sliding under trail braking and max lean you probably need to work on your lines.
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Sep 10, 2013 22:53
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Z3n posted:Yes, they will be better than the Q2s, and you can slide any tire with enough throttle and lean angle, so that's sort of an irrelevant metric. Oh I'm in A group, not that my lines couldn't use work. Not only am I outriding the Q2s, they started to delaminate in strips at the last trackday 
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Sep 11, 2013 02:27
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Bazacko posted:Oh I'm in A group, not that my lines couldn't use work. Not only am I outriding the Q2s, they started to delaminate in strips at the last trackday Yeah you should definitely be running DOT race tires then. I'd like to see pictures of that delamination if you have them though!
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Sep 11, 2013 05:30
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Bazacko posted:I'm looking for advice on track tires. They don't work as well cold as the Q2's but after they get some heat yeah, the med+ will be stickier than a Q2.
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Sep 11, 2013 14:00
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Bazacko posted:http://stores.racetireservice.com/-strse-52/200-fdsh-55x17-200-fdsh-55-200-Mega/Detail.bok Thanks for pointing this out. Ballin' deal.
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Sep 11, 2013 19:09
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You'll probably thrash that soft in a day though.
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Sep 11, 2013 19:27
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Z3n posted:You'll probably thrash that soft in a day though. Just make it a race day.
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Sep 11, 2013 19:44
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Z3n posted:You'll probably thrash that soft in a day though. Still makes sense economically. I'll have to wait another two sets before switching to the Pirelli red stripes.
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Sep 11, 2013 19:49
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Spiffness posted:Still makes sense economically. I'll have to wait another two sets before switching to the Pirelli red stripes. Z3n posted:Yeah you should definitely be running DOT race tires then. I'd like to see pictures of that delamination if you have them though!   The suspension guy said he'd never seen Q2s do this before. Pressures were 32/32 cold. Zool posted:They don't work as well cold as the Q2's but after they get some heat yeah, the med+ will be stickier than a Q2. Bazacko fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Sep 11, 2013 |
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Sep 11, 2013 22:13
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Wow, that's nuts. Which tire guy was it? The Dunlop guy is good but isn't nearly as good as KFG. Though since they're a Pirelli shop now they'll probably say... ride the Pirellis. Did you do that at Ridge? Did you drop into the high 140's or something? Surprised to see such a massive difference in how you wore that tire. Edit: Z3n runs the red stripes.
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Sep 11, 2013 22:23
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Rear and front? The red stripes are good but they do have a tendency to start to slide earlier than proper slicks. But they come back in line just as nicely, so it's sort of good practice with how your setup reacts to sliding/etc, seeing how the bike finishes corners with the rear right on the limits. Good tires - I'll probably run a rear paired with an SC2 front and replace after 6-8 days. Or 2 takeoff fronts to one red stripe rear. I've got a pile of DOTs and slicks here to try out though, looking forward to being able to do back to back comparisons.
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Sep 11, 2013 22:32
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Only the rear delaminated. I was definitely hauling rear end, probably low 1:50s.
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Sep 12, 2013 00:08
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That's weird, I've never seen that kind of chunking happen to a Q2.
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Sep 12, 2013 00:30
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sildargod posted:Bridgestone are going to be assessing the tyres tomorrow, it appears I was mistaken though, the tyres were manufactured earlier this year. They do say that they are going to see what steps can be taken if I am very unhappy with the tyres (I am) so it appears things will hopefully end on a high note. Whatever happened with this? I've run several pairs of BT45s over the years with no issues, except premature squaring off on a 140, which was unnecessarily wide for my bike. Came here to ask about BT45s, actually, kind of. I was given (!) a set of wheels in excellent condition with nearly new Kenda Cruisers (K671, I think) on them. How do they compare to BT45s? I'm going to ride them until I need new ones, just because of their condition and cost, but I'm just wondering what to expect out of them. They're 130/70/18 rear, 110/70/17 front, so same size as the BT45s I prefer. What's the word on K671 compound, shape, longevity, wet traction, etc? I ride about 50% street, about 50% spirited backroads, and never track. Bike is a Yamaha XJ600.
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Oct 30, 2013 23:53
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Read almost the entire thread over the course of a couple weeks, and just ordered my first new pair of tires for this bike:  I've been wearing down the old tires that the PO had put on it, not even sure what brand they are. I have a feeling it'll be like an entirely different bike once I slap these babies on. Thanks for all the info guys.
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Oct 31, 2013 16:57
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Coming from Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsas on my Street Triple to my new Dunlop Q3 I have to agree with Z3n's OP. The Pirellis are softer/grippier by a wide margin. This is based on one weekend on the Q3s. I hope the Q3s improve as right now I am wishing I spent the extra $100 on the Corsas.
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:Whatever happened with this? I've run several pairs of BT45s over the years with no issues, except premature squaring off on a 140, which was unnecessarily wide for my bike. The BT45s for me in the past any time the temp got a little cold they became hard like comb rubber. There are a Pirelli Sport Demon tires. They are grippy and the profile makes turn in fast and smooth. The only downside is that they wear pretty fast between 6K and 7K mile they are about shot. http://www.pirelli.com/tire/us/en/motorcycle/sheet/sport_demon.html?url=%3Fsubtype%3Droad
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