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Dusseldorf posted:Colorado is a swing state that's been trending blue and Washington is a light blue state. For perspective, Obama won Colorado in 2012, but more people voted for weed than voted for Obama.
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Dusseldorf posted:Colorado is a swing state that's been trending blue and Washington is a light blue state. Everything east of the Cascades is red. It's just that's the less-populated side of the state so that's why WA is only barely a blue state. edit: Amused to Death posted:For perspective, Obama won Colorado in 2012, but more people voted for weed than voted for Obama. If I remember correctly, the same was true of WA. Several red counties voted to legalize weed. There was a handy map I saw demonstrating this shortly after the election but I can't seem to find it. Lacrosse fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Sep 1, 2013 |
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Eh I wouldn't call that barely blue, it's only 1 point behind Illinois's results in 2012. US presidential results don't swing enough normally and the population is too polarized for a result like that to be not considered safe blue at this point. I mean when 2016 comes around Washington is not getting a visit from either big party candidate because we all know what color the state is going to be come election night.
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Yeah, I know several people here in CO that voted for Romney, and for Amendment 64. Most of them don't smoke (at least not anymore) but knew plenty of people who do, and saw no reason to vote No on it.
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So I don't know if this was brought up in the thread or not, but I just wanted to share this as it seems relevant to the thread. Apparently all of the major pro-weed blogs are in a tizzy about a government sponsored study concerning domestic violence and marijuana use. Here's one for reference: quote:The National Institute on Drug Abuse is funding a nearly $2 million study in an attempt to find a link between cannabis consumption, and domestic violence: We have littlecannabis doubt that it’s going to backfire, and conclude that cannabis reduces violence among partners. Obviously these blogs aren't the most reputable of news sources, but then there's quite a few stoners who have anti-government biases and know nothing about science (as does the typical layperson) and they eat poo poo like this up. Just for reference, however, here's the blurb from the University of Buffalo's Research Institute on Addictions's page of research projects: quote:Proximal Effects of Marijuana in Understanding Intimate Partner Violence
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I have never smoked up and thought beating my girlfriend felt like a good idea. I strongly believe there's no correlation between the two. Alcohol is a thousand times more likely to cause domestic violence. Most drugs under the sun are practically a fast track to that unfortunate decision before weed.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:I have never smoked up and thought beating my girlfriend felt like a good idea. I strongly believe there's no correlation between the two. Alcohol is a thousand times more likely to cause domestic violence. Most drugs under the sun are practically a fast track to that unfortunate decision before weed. As the study says, the correlation is already there. Marijuana use is negatively correlated with income, which itself is very strongly negatively correlated with domestic abuse. This study is going to go into greater depth and try to work out any sort of causal relationship. The answer may very well be that there is not. Note that they are going beyond "smoked up and beat my girlfriend", but also looking at general negative relationship effects caused by marijuana that lead to abuse. For example, if someone loses/can't get a job because he can't pass a piss test, and the resulting domestic turbulence culminates in abuse, that may be an example of marijuana use (or more accurately, the social and legal structures surrounding marijuana use, but you can't really extricate the two in the real world) leading to domestic violence.
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Just got this in the old inbox. Kinda weird seeing marijuana related information coming from the White House. white house petition site posted:Wed., September 4, 2013
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Today WA announced that the max amount of 'Pot Shops' is set to 334, 21 of which will be located in Seattle.Associated Press posted:SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) - There would be a maximum of 334 locations that sell recreational marijuana in Washington under rules proposed Wednesday by the state Liquor Control Board. The Liquor Control Board has a new timeline for implementation: The Seattle Post-Intelligencer posted:The board’s new timeline: Legal sales to adults could be a bit sooner than early summer 2014 like people had been predicting. Things seem to be moving a lot quicker now.
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That's only a little over an eighth per person per year so I hope a lot of people abstain. Anyone have any clue of the yearly alcohol consumption in Washington that it could be compared to?
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Jeffrey posted:That's only a little over an eighth per person per year so I hope a lot of people abstain. Anyone have any clue of the yearly alcohol consumption in Washington that it could be compared to? The liquor control board expects to only capture 25 percent of the total marijuana market in the first year, with the rest being fulfilled by medical and illicit. It's just a bridge too far to get it all in the first year. The board is currently envisioning recreational stores opening June 1, not clear if that includes medical dispensaries switching to recreational. Also it's apparently actually more like 7.5 grams per adult per year, so it won't be quite so bad as all that. gohuskies fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Sep 4, 2013 |
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TVs Patrick Duffy posted:Just got this in the old inbox. Kinda weird seeing marijuana related information coming from the White House. What are those 8 criteria, exactly?
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:What are those 8 criteria, exactly? From a page or two ago: quote:The memo also outlines eight priorities for federal prosecutors enforcing marijuana laws. According to the guidance, DOJ will still prosecute individuals or entities to prevent:
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Jeffrey posted:That's only a little over an eighth per person per year so I hope a lot of people abstain. Anyone have any clue of the yearly alcohol consumption in Washington that it could be compared to? Baby Steps dude. I'm not trying to be condescending here, please just take it for what it is. Lasting change has to come slowly, with trepidation and critical thinking. If change comes too quickly or worse, is forced, it will revert. With that out of the way. I guarantee you this is the equivalent of the Washington lawmakers saying; "Ok, you kids want this, let's see if you're mature enough to handle it." Edit: VVV Got it, sorry for the misunderstanding. VendaGoat fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 4, 2013 |
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:What are those 8 criteria, exactly? The memorandum was linked earlier in this thread: http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/3052013829132756857467.pdf EDIT: ^^^ I know, I'm just curious to compare it to alcohol, and what the ramifications will be. I wonder if the stores will rate-limit their sales or, if not, what happens if they run out 8 months into the year? Medical not counting against it is a good point and I imagine doctors will only be more lenient giving out the doctor's recs. What is the timeframe for Colorado? Are we just waiting for year's end? Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 4, 2013 |
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DOJ posted:A system adequate to that task must not only contain robust controls and procedures on paper; it must also be effective in practice. “Effective in practice”??? Compared to what — the DOJ’s prohibition approach? Don’t make me laugh! KingEup fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Sep 4, 2013 |
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Just saw this in my local paper:quote:Surprise: Colorado's legal weed doesn't stay in Colorado The article could've been more aptly titled "Surprise: Weed does not stay where it was grown" considering the huge volume of illegal marijuana that have been distributed and consumed over the last 50 years of prohibition. It's interesting from an economic perspective how legalization will affect prices within Colorado and Washington. The more prices drop due to legalization, the greater the incentive for illegal growers and distributors to export to other markets, especially if they're able to operate with relative impunity. There's not a whole lot that can be done about people purchasing smaller quantities and then shipping or taking it out of state to friends or for resale, not that interdiction efforts have been effective anyways, but I'm sure we're going to see a lot of foot stomping and complaining from law enforcement in other states.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 02:36 |
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Every state that complains about cannabis from Colorado being smuggled into their state is admitting that their own policy of cannabis prohibtion is ineffective. It is glorious.
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VendaGoat posted:Baby Steps dude. I'm not trying to be condescending here, please just take it for what it is. This is also untested ground in terms of level of consumption. They're probably erring on the side of having too little than too much. Too much means a higher likelihood businesses will divert it elsewhere rather than lose money. I expect that if demand outpaces the production limits the state will raise the limits. The more stores sell the more tax dollars the state collects. In other news.. This is a bit premature but at least one member of the Oregon state legislature wants to focus on legalizing weed next term. http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/09/oregon_revenue_chairman_legisl.html Oregonian posted:Oregon lawmakers shouldn’t wait for a ballot measure legalizing marijuana, they should write their own, says Rep. Phil Barnhart.
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Rep. Barnhart posted:“The war on drugs has been lost and we need to come up with something that works for us,” Barnhart said. As much as it thrills me to hear more people admit that the War on Drugs is either lost or failed, I feel like it's a bad publicity move. Words mean everything and there absolutely has to be a better way to spin it than "Pack it up. We've lost."
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LuciferMorningstar posted:As much as it thrills me to hear more people admit that the War on Drugs is either lost or failed, I feel like it's a bad publicity move. Words mean everything and there absolutely has to be a better way to spin it than "Pack it up. We've lost." If you can get enough Americans to believe it, "We've lost" is a good reason to stop for a surprising amount of people. Vietnam was ended in a definitive "we've lost" sort of way.
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Speaking of "We Lost" rhetoric: http://blog.seattlepi.com/marijuana/2013/09/05/king-county-sheriff-to-be-hauled-before-congress-over-marijuana/ quote:
Apparently the Senate Judiciary Committee helped craft the DOJ's stance regarding marijuana legalization in Washington and Colorado, so there is some substantial support for legalization within congress.
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No, this is not an Onion article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/john-mccain-marijuana-legalization_n_3879907.html John McCain posted:Maybe we should legalize. We're certainly moving that way as far as marijuana is concerned. I respect the will of the people
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Sudo Echo posted:No, this is not an Onion article In an alternate universe, Senator Obama "evolves" his position on marijuana legalization in the face of President McCain's intransigence on the issue.
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Sudo Echo posted:No, this is not an Onion article I... Uh.... Am I in some sort of Bizzaro universe? I should be happy, but I'm just wondering what the hell is going on here.
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VendaGoat posted:I... That's just downright scary. If Rand Paul goes for legalization as well, I'd be in total disbelief.
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Devyl posted:That's just downright scary. If Rand Paul goes for legalization as well, I'd be in total disbelief. Why would you be surprised that a libertarian would be pro-legalization? I'd poo poo my pants of Ron Paul/Rand Paul didn't favor the government butting out of substance regulation all together.
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Rand Paul is mealy-mouthed as gently caress and so far has kept to vague statements like "don't lock em up." He endorses medical marijuana but that's it. Ron Paul was a plumb-line "don't-give-a-gently caress" libertarian but Rand isn't the type to lead on this.
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Got a thing in my email as a result of my brave, well-considered, and vital to the cause click of an electronic petition a while ago.Barack Obama's Hell-Minions posted:Justice Department Announces Update to Marijuana Enforcement Policy This may be the most encouraging piece of meaningless hogwash I've read all month! Edit: I see this was covered about four messages up. Oh well. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Sep 7, 2013 |
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Salt Fish posted:Why would you be surprised that a libertarian would be pro-legalization? I'd poo poo my pants of Ron Paul/Rand Paul didn't favor the government butting out of substance regulation all together. I'd be surprised because Kentucky, despite growing some of the best outdoor weed this side of the Mississippi, is one of the strictest and most policed states in regards to cannabis.
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Here's a chilling article highlighting what the Drug War has done to our country. The subject is civil forfeitures. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman Excerpt: quote:They pulled into a mini-mart for snacks. When they returned to the highway ten minutes later, Boatright, a honey-blond “Texas redneck from Lubbock,” by her own reckoning, and Henderson, who is Latino, noticed something strange. The same police car that their eleven-year-old had admired in the mini-mart parking lot was trailing them. Near the city limits, a tall, bull-shouldered officer named Barry Washington pulled them over.
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Devyl posted:I'd be surprised because Kentucky, despite growing some of the best outdoor weed this side of the Mississippi, is one of the strictest and most policed states in regards to cannabis. McConnell and Paul have been pushing for Hemp related stuff in the senate though. Its in Kentucky's best interest to have something to replace tobacco.
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Which states have ballot initiatives for Marijuana that look like they'll actually end up getting the signatures necessary for 2014?
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This is important and you guys should watch the webcast: Conflicts between State and Federal Marijuana Laws Senate Judiciary Committee Full Committee View a webcast of this hearing DATE: September 10, 2013 TIME: 02:30 PM http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/hearing.cfm?id=094c28995d1f5bc4fe11d832f90218f9 Featuring none other than drug warrior numero uno a Dr (cough) Kevin Sabet (recently voted America's most vocal drug warrior). His bio: quote:Sabet heads an astroturf organization called Smart Approaches to Marijuana (SAM). He’s an inveterate anti-marijuana bigot and a drug war careerist who is addicted to stigmatizing the plant and those who use it. http://www.alternet.org/drugs/potential-miracle-element-cannabis-changed-sanjay-guptas-mind-about-power-pot See also: quote:5 Biggest Lies from Anti-Pot Propagandist Kevin Sabet http://www.alternet.org/drugs/5-biggest-lies-anti-pot-propagandist-kevin-sabet?paging=off Written by Dr (actual) Sunil Kumar Aggarwal, MD, PhD, Senior Resident Physician, Department of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, New York University. KingEup fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Sep 9, 2013 |
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Jesus Christ, Sabet pulled out the "1 in 6 kids get addicted" lie in front of Congress.
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Sabet is such a giant piece of poo poo, holy gently caress.
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Is the stream still going? It says it starts at 2:30 but not how long it's supposed to run. edit: Nevermind. The 'LIVE WEBCAST' is actually a recording of what just happened.
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Sabet should try to prove how harmful marijuana is by being the first person to die from an overdose. Because gently caress that guy. Something about how "more people end up in the emergency room from gummy bear edibles marketed to kids than joints."
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Necc0 posted:Is the stream still going? It says it starts at 2:30 but not how long it's supposed to run. It finished 20 minutes ago or so. It isn't really worth watching. Executive summary: The feds are going to work on the banking thing so dispensaries don't have Scrooge McDuck piles of cash lying around. Congress needs to work on poo poo that DoJ doesn't have jurisdiction over but still needs to be fixed so that there's no uncertainty. Who will think of the children? Tincture-infused gummi bears are the devil. Seattle has a cool sheriff (but not too cool for Congress). "Pot tart". Jazerus fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Sep 11, 2013 |
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Winkle-Daddy posted:Sabet should try to prove how harmful marijuana is by being the first person to die from an overdose. Because gently caress that guy. Something about how "more people end up in the emergency room from gummy bear edibles marketed to kids than joints." Help, my child has eaten too many marijuana gummy bears! What cartoons should he watch?
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