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It's hilarious that so many people are painting fairly tame criticism as irrelevant or unreasonable. It's not even remotely crazy to think that a developer should set aside a couple of minutes more than once every few months to show a tiny bit of consideration for the audience. If you're not personally bothered that's fine, but those lowered expectations aren't universal. Disinterest on the part of a creator impacts the way that most customers feel about a project's direction. That's a risk that someone takes on when they start taking money, and that's why it keeps coming up. To portray that as a new or ridiculous concept is dishonest.
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Underwhelmed posted:I'm not going to speculate about what is going on in his life outside of this project, because it would be pure speculation, really nobody on either side of the argument should be. I don't expect the guy to communicate constantly, I don't want to know what he had for breakfast and how that will effect today's development, but there is a certain point that is reached wherein you pass from "being quiet on average" to plain old aloof. No matter what is going on in his life, he has launched a product, and not giving any sort of indication as to what is or is not happening with it is just bad customer service. I am definitely not saying the spit spewing internet rage machine that is festering over this is in any way close to justified, but when you launch a piece of software with the promise of updates, and instead you clam up and go incommunicado for two months, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence does it? I'm not sure where much of this came from because it has nothing to do with what I asked originally: Trap Star posted:Wollay was mostly radio silent in the months before he released Cube World, what I'm curious about is why so many people are expecting a complete 180 in this regard when he's basically known for being quiet. I personally enjoyed Cube World quite a bit and would be happy to recommend it to a friend. You can distinguish it from an abandoned project by realizing that the rate of communication has not changed at all. This is what I was asking. Underwhelmed posted:but can you honestly say that if someone asked you personally "hey, should I buy this Cube World game?" You would give it a glowing recommendation and not even mention the utter lack of activity? How at this point can you distinguish this game from an actual abandoned product? Can't I do both though? The people I've told this game about I have been pretty straight up with. It is still a very early alpha, it has a lot of rough edges, needs a lot of content still, but it is still fun as hell with what has been provided so far. I tell the people I talk about the game with that the developer doesn't post much and patches could come at months at at time before we here about what has been done, but from what he has shown the community leading up to this point for nearly three years and the fact that he has posted on his website a clear list of features he wants to finish at the very least, then yeah, I still give it a glowing recommendation, despite the "flaws" the dev might have. Corin Tucker's Stalker posted:It's hilarious that so many people are painting fairly tame criticism as irrelevant or unreasonable. It's not even remotely crazy to think that a developer should set aside a couple of minutes more than once every few months to show a tiny bit of consideration for the audience. At the same time I feel that this is very disingenuous, especially to call Wollay "Disinterested", since when he does post, when he personally feels he has enough of an update to post about, he talks about his game with a lot of passion and the work he pushes forward does show a lot of interest in his own creation. It is a difference of the type of dev he is and what people wish he was. There is the Starbound "post no matter how small progress there was, even if it is adding a literal poo poo to the game, we must keep people informed" and there is the "I'd rather take my time building up a decent amount of content to post about, do people really need me posting once a week that, yes, I am working?". People like the former because it gives them more to talk about, but it also gives more chances for the fan base to go loving nuts over stuff that isn't fully implemented not being what they want. The latter has no issue and it is people's opinions that it lowers the value or whatever of the game, which is silly, it isn't a lowered expectation to be fine with him posting every few months, that is loving bullshit. 
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Sep 10, 2013 18:29
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I paid 20 bux for this game, which is less than a pizza in my local area. I played this game on and off for a couple weeks. I feel I've already gotten my money's worth. I'm not 'offended' that the developer has gone radio silent for a while. I've had my fun - if updates come, great! If not, no big deal. It was good while it lasted.
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Sep 10, 2013 18:30
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Holy poo poo, does anyone actually play this game at this point, or just give themselves a stroke over whether or not Wollay should post updates? For real, is anyone still playing? Any steam group or some such for people to meet up in?
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Sep 10, 2013 18:41
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Can we* please combing Cube World and Kleaveland? Cube World with the building and monster breeding mechanics of Kleaveland would just be fantastic. *By "we" I of course mean Wollay and forums poster DuFfy, who is making Kleaveland.
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Sep 10, 2013 21:32
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tooterfish posted:It's not white knighting, it's just not allowing one point of view to dominate the narrative. Right on man, whether you personally value your money or not is subjective. Some people just like the thrill of wasting $20. But at least at the casino they have cheap drinks.
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Sep 11, 2013 12:11
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What changed is he started taking money for a product. When someone takes money for a product, it's expected they'll have a channel to communicate with the purchasers just due to basic consumer rights. Let me put this in simple English: No take money, no buyers, no need talk. Take money, have buyers, need talk.
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Sep 12, 2013 00:39
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Someone should update the OP of this thread to indicate that the game is crap and the author of the game ran off like someone running a scam.
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Sep 12, 2013 00:42
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I was told that it was not developed by Mojang and that was right. Got what I paid for.
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Sep 12, 2013 00:47
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:What changed is he started taking money for a product. When someone takes money for a product, it's expected they'll have a channel to communicate with the purchasers just due to basic consumer rights. You paid money, you got a good/service in return. I've paid more for shittier software/products in the past. If it really irks you, request a refund, or something. poo poo.
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Sep 12, 2013 01:15
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Rawrbomb posted:You paid money, you got a good/service in return. Seriously, this. I paid and got a pretty good game that will likely improve at some indeterminate point in the future.
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Sep 12, 2013 01:18
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This game is garbage and isn't worth playing for free. Definitely feels like the author is taking people's money and running. It pretty obvious that he doesn't know what he is doing what with the sparse updates, terrible distribution service, lack of server features (none really), terrible leveling (underpowered in single player, over powered in multiplayer), lack of promised features. Basically anyone on the fence should run to someone else's yard. Vox is an uglier version of Cube World yet: did digital distribution right, talks with the community, cheap as gently caress, trying to get on steam, already was in a bundle, and isn't running with people's $20.
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Sep 12, 2013 01:26
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:This game is garbage and isn't worth playing for free. Definitely feels like the author is taking people's money and running. It pretty obvious that he doesn't know what he is doing what with the sparse updates, terrible distribution service, lack of server features (none really), terrible leveling (underpowered in single player, over powered in multiplayer), lack of promised features. Basically anyone on the fence should run to someone else's yard. In your opinion. I got about 20 hours of gameplay out of cubeworld, playing with friends, exploring, etc. It was great, I got my monies worth. If you're not okay, with a lack of real content, or don't like to explore, or don't like more action combat, then this game might not be for you, and you should not buy it.
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Sep 12, 2013 01:28
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:This game is garbage and isn't worth playing for free. Definitely feels like the author is taking people's money and running. Yeah you cheerleaders are idiots. This game would be crap if it were free.
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Sep 12, 2013 01:28
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Rawrbomb posted:In your opinion. Doesn't this also apply to your ill thought out posts in this thread? edit: rear end in a top hat
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Sep 12, 2013 01:29
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Rawrbomb posted:In your opinion. For 5 bones I can get a poo poo ton of awesome games right now. Hell, even this is a better deal. This isn't just "like your opinion man". This is an unfinished product that simply isn't worth $20. The developer is a no name who absolutely needs to prove his game is worth the price of admission during a time when indie games are experiencing a renaissance of sorts. The developer could post at least some weekly/bi-weekly minor updates on what he is working on. Here's an example of it being done right (hell they even admit when the gently caress up hardcore). Last update from Wollay was in July. This is unacceptable. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Sep 12, 2013 |
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Sep 12, 2013 01:36
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Where is the developer based? I want to complain to the better business organization wherever the gently caress this guy is.
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Sep 12, 2013 01:37
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Baloogan posted:Where is the developer based? I want to complain to the better business organization wherever the gently caress this guy is. Germany, best of luck. virtualboyCOLOR posted:For 5 bones I can get a poo poo ton of awesome games right now. Hell, even this is a better deal. This isn't just "like your opinion man". This is an unfinished product that simply isn't worth $20. The developer is a no name who absolutely needs to prove his game is worth the price of admission during a time when indie games are experiencing a renaissance of sorts. The developer could post at least some weekly/bi-weekly minor updates on what he is working on. Here's an example of it being done right (hell they even admit when the gently caress up hardcore). Last update from Wollay was in July. This is unacceptable. Which features, listed on the products website, are not working for you based on the product description? https://picroma.com/cubeworld Where did the developer lie to you, and rip you off?
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I've already accepted I made a bad investment. What irks me is the people who feel the need to defend poo poo business practices because "But he made a game I like"/"But it's only $20"/"But there are even worse business people"/etc. I bought Oniken and was given an invalid activation key. I emailed them and got a new, valid activation key 2 business days later, even though it's a three person team. If they could handle that in 2 days while also running an IndieGoGo campaign and working on their next game, I think this dude can handle five minutes telling people what he's working on.
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Sep 12, 2013 01:48
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I've already accepted I made a bad investment. What irks me is the people who feel the need to defend poo poo business practices because "But he made a game I like"/"But it's only $20"/"But there are even worse business people"/etc. I bought Oniken and was given an invalid activation key. I emailed them and got a new, valid activation key 2 business days later, even though it's a three person team. If they could handle that in 2 days while also running an IndieGoGo campaign and working on their next game, I think this dude can handle five minutes telling people what he's working on. What irks me is people comparing apples and oranges. Did you have a billing, or activation issue when you made your purchase for Cubeworld?
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I came into this knowing it was an Alpha and that it was going to be rough and unfinished, but I also expected it to, you know, be worked on. The game in its current state is basically just a glorified tech demo. I knew coming into this from following Wollay before that he posted updates extremely infrequently, but there was no playable game yet and it was clear that it was just a side project for him. The two options here are basically that either Wollay ran off with the money, leaving us with a glorified tech demo, or he's so incredibly loving thick that he doesn't understand that if you are going to take people's money for your product, you can't get away with the same level of communication that you had before you released your product for sale. Neither of those options are very attractive. At this point I almost want to see him come back just so that I can see what his excuse is for dropping off the face of the earth like this. There's absolutely no excuse for this poo poo and it's completely unprofessional. Also, I hadn't noticed before but apparently his forums are closed as well. They're up, but you can't make new posts anymore. The last posts made show up as having been posted two months ago. Rawrbomb posted:Which features, listed on the products website, are not working for you based on the product description?
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Sep 12, 2013 02:30
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I enjoyed a few dozen hours in Cubeworld but reading the posts in this thread makes me wish I could go back in time and never learn that the game existed.
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Sep 12, 2013 02:47
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Well, the last few pages have taught me that I'm not supposed to have expectations for something I pay money for and which has the implied promise of a future that I helped fund. If I do have expectations, it's because I'm entitled and unreasonable. Because... Reasons.
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Sep 12, 2013 03:23
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I like how the people making defensive posts are making the EXACT same posts as the defensive posts in the SimCity thread when that game first came out. Didn't people start getting probated for hopping into the thread and saying they had just got the game after a certain point (because it was obvious they weren't bothering to read the thread, or just trolling)? For the dimmer folk in the thread, obviously I am not saying the two situations are very similar, just that the need for people to leap to the defense of a game that they have bought that other people are disappointed in is eerily similar.
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Sep 12, 2013 03:27
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Sep 12, 2013 03:38
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If Wollay was keeping us updated we wouldn't be so quick to jump to the thread every time there's a bunch of new posts and fight over how often he updates, because we wouldn't need the thread to update us. QED. 
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Sep 12, 2013 03:41
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It's really sad that the thread is now stuck in this infinite loop of regret because there is nothing new about this game to talk about or even speculate on.
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Sep 12, 2013 03:48
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I AM BRAWW posted:Golly gee, 60 new posts. Could it be an update? Yeah, probably should.  The simple-minded back-and-forth between extremes was bad enough, and now there's people like Baloogan just flat-out trolling. Would be best to just let this thing sink and make a new thread in the following months/years when we get substantial updates.
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Sep 12, 2013 03:55
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Sep 12, 2013 04:14
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Baloogan posted:Where is the developer based? I want to complain to the better business organization wherever the gently caress this guy is. Because you now feel the price you agreed to pay for what you acknowledged as a WIP game is unfair? You sound really petty and resentful and also you should know the BBB is a sham.
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Sep 12, 2013 04:32
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Trap Star posted:Because you now feel the price you agreed to pay for what you acknowledged as a WIP game is unfair? You sound really petty and resentful and also you should know the BBB is a sham. Dropping an agreed price for a Work in Progress implies that the people who payed said price should expect progress to be made. Now I think selling a game on it's potential is A-OK, but that potential just isn't being realized for the consumers in this case. I can understand why people think they aren't getting their money's worth, and why they're getting miffed. I don't necessarily think it's a scam, but all this is certainly making me think twice about throwing him any money even if he DOES start talking. BUT HEY, it's just twenty dollars! That's like the price of a
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i am tim! posted:Dropping an agreed price for a Work in Progress implies that the people who payed said price should expect progress to be made. Now I think selling a game on it's potential is A-OK, but that potential just isn't being realized for the consumers in this case. I can understand why people think they aren't getting their money's worth, and why they're getting miffed. I don't necessarily think it's a scam, but all this is certainly making me think twice about throwing him any money even if he DOES start talking. While this is true, let us look at a similar game, Minecraft. MC has four devs currently working on it, two of which are the ones who openly communicate, Jeb and Dinnerbone (Jens and Nathan). Most of what is going on in the office is never discussed openly and what info we do know usually doesn't come forth until the next coming patch is ready for beta testing. Patches in MC, even when it was a beta, took on average 2-3 months before being released, people were fine with that wait and honestly despite all the blathering Notch did when he was still working on the game, most of what he said was either white noise or never even made it into the game and ended up just pissing people off for years to come. Maybe Wollay just doesn't have anything he wants to discuss yet since it isn't ready, maybe he is loving autistic or has communication issues, or has a tick about not disclosing things until a good deal of whatever it is he is working on is finished. Who knows, but honestly I am willing to give the guy a major patch release to see if I am done with the game or not. I highly doubt he ran off with the money, writing programs like Plasma in order to make CubeWorld and set up a blog to make reports on his progress and do all this other poo poo that either ate into his time spent at his day job or his personal finances for three years to try and scam people out of their money seems to be pretty reaching. Wrist Watch posted:At this point I almost want to see him come back just so that I can see what his excuse is for dropping off the face of the earth like this. There's absolutely no excuse for this poo poo and it's completely unprofessional. I don't know man, I'd be pretty spooked between receiving threats, having my poo poo DDOSed to hell and then having angry people dig into my personal life and post pictures of me and my wife all over the internet for people to scrutinize over. As much as the people in here complain about those "defending" or whatever you want to call it Wollay, they sure do seem to just come in here a lot to give the same loving bitching complaint every five or so posts, so its tiring on both sides. Maybe if people stopped giving the same tired complaints they've already made over and over the people defending Wollay would also shut up.  If you hate the purchase that much, send them an email, request information, ask for a refund, loving do something because no one wants to see this thread pop up and find its just a few new pages of the same people bitching over and over. His wife handles customer service, go bother her, she was pretty handy in solving purchasing issues for those who bought the game when their servers were going up and down. Also, as a side note, I find it funny how virtualboyCOLOR keeps coming in here to shill a poo poo (~in my opinion~) game that I am pretty sure he is getting kickbacks from for the amount he sucks the game's proverbial cock.
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No matter what your opinion, I think we can all agree that it's just a dumb move on his part to not just hit twitter up with a "Busy week at work, but development on Cube World is coming along!" every once in a while. No promises for updates or features. Just a, hey I'm still alive and I occasionally work on this game I sold you, just every week or so. It's really, really not difficult to do that and would be a much smarter business decision on his part.
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Without getting into the debate at all, I remember that back when Notch was in the sub-10,000 copies sold days he moved a ton of units whenever he would do a livestream to talk about upcoming features and his plans for the game.
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Enzer posted:While this is true, let us look at a similar game, Minecraft. MC has four devs currently working on it, two of which are the ones who openly communicate, Jeb and Dinnerbone (Jens and Nathan). Most of what is going on in the office is never discussed openly and what info we do know usually doesn't come forth until the next coming patch is ready for beta testing. Patches in MC, even when it was a beta, took on average 2-3 months before being released, people were fine with that wait and honestly despite all the blathering Notch did when he was still working on the game, most of what he said was either white noise or never even made it into the game and ended up just pissing people off for years to come. Most people in the thread don't hate the game, and I am even specifically referring to the people making reasonable complaints in the last page or so. Most people aren't asking for a refund. The only reason there are so many posts of back and forth is because some people seem to have a hard on for posting completely polarized, contrary opinions whenever someone expresses buyer's remorse in a video game thread. For example, I posted sympathy/empathy for Wollay and his wife, while at the same time expressing my disappointment in the lack of updates and communication. Any reasonable adult human being would see how this is completely acceptable and sane position to have. The toxicity in this thread, much like the SimCity thread, comes from people hopping in to show everyone how little they care about games or money by repeatedly posting how much of dumb nerd crybabies people are for having very mild, negative opinions on a game. 99% of the time those people don't even post about the game itself. SaucyLoggins posted:No matter what your opinion, I think we can all agree that it's just a dumb move on his part to not just hit twitter up with a "Busy week at work, but development on Cube World is coming along!" every once in a while. No promises for updates or features. Just a, hey I'm still alive and I occasionally work on this game I sold you, just every week or so. It's really, really not difficult to do that and would be a much smarter business decision on his part. This has already been stated numerous times but people are just ignoring it so they can make fun of people and feel better about themselves I guess. I seriously hope he does come back and adds the other races/biomes he was talking about adding before he vanished. It would also be nice if he did add some kind of building mechanic, even if it is just to have places to store my loot. Also, I really wish you could knock down trees to get lumber. 
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Rawrbomb posted:Which features, listed on the products website, are not working for you based on the product description? This is the game Wollay showed us last September, and Wollay delivered. Who gives a flying gently caress about anything else? loving goons. 
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international owl day posted:This is the game Wollay showed us last September, and Wollay delivered. Who gives a flying gently caress about anything else? loving goons. Yeah, ok. While you're here could you do the forum a favour and close the thread?
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Mr Scumbag posted:Yeah, ok. It should really just be gassed at this point, the past seven pages have been literally the same thing ad nauseum
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Wrist Watch posted:It should really just be gassed at this point, the past seven pages have been literally the same thing ad nauseum Its mostly the same bad posters repeating themselves.
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international owl day posted:Its mostly the same bad posters repeating themselves. Yeah, probating/banning the chronic shitposters would honestly be a lot better than having to start over from scratch. I don't know if anyone following the thread at this point would actually be able to offer advice about the game, but for those who do, is it at all possible to really keep up damage-wise as a water mage, or is it just a matter of winning through your incredible attrition? Last time I played I used I think staves (the one that creates the little whirlwind), and it was hard to really keep any sort of damage up, but I could outlast pretty much anything. It just felt a bit underwhelming compared to my rogue. I was getting things done, but it took even longer than normal, which is a pretty respectable chunk of time as it is.
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