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Dogen posted:When I took comparative law (hahaha), whenever this was suggested all the foreign LLMs would say, "Well, but you can make so much more money here!" Yes, this is true. I've had a lot of foreign LLM friends over the years, and all the East Asian ones who were already practicing attorneys in their countries dream of passing the bar in New York (they all take it in Buffalo) and then getting an offer from an NYC firm so they can stay in the U.S. and work insane hours and make crazy money.
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MoFauxHawk posted:Yes, this is true. I've had a lot of foreign LLM friends over the years, and all the East Asian ones who were already practicing attorneys in their countries dream of passing the bar in New York (they all take it in Buffalo) and then getting an offer from an NYC firm so they can stay in the U.S. and work insane hours and make crazy money. I know a partner at a t10 Vault who did this. By virtue of having no connections he generates no business, so you can imagine how he made up for that in order to make partner in the first place. (if you can't imagine it, it's working 144/7)
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MoFauxHawk posted:(they all take it in Buffalo) Oh, except for "gently caress," which she muttered repeatedly throughout the MPT. Solid Lizzie fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Sep 10, 2013 |
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Sep 10, 2013 03:55
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Solid Lizzie posted:The number of people I saw studying in between parts of the bar exam with the Chinese (I think?) translations underneath made me feel quite a bit better. My friend sat next to a woman who couldn't speak much English, to the point where she simply wrote "I affirm" on her Scantron sheet and put her head down until the actual exam began. I might have known that person.  My ex-girlfriend (and still friend) even, a Taiwanese LLM graduate from Northwestern, has taken the bar in Buffalo twice now, including this most recent time. I can't imagine doing American law stuff without being virtually a native speaker. I took Spanish For Lawyers and that was very difficult for me, despite it being a fairly basic class in Spanish-language code-based law.
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MoFauxHawk posted:Yes, this is true. I've had a lot of foreign LLM friends over the years, and all the East Asian ones who were already practicing attorneys in their countries dream of passing the bar in New York (they all take it in Buffalo) and then getting an offer from an NYC firm so they can stay in the U.S. and work insane hours and make crazy money. There should be an exchange program so US attorneys can go to their countries and work reasonable hours for a modest income.
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Dogen posted:There should be an exchange program so US attorneys can go to their countries and work reasonable hours for a modest income. Amen. And modest costs for law school.
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Sep 10, 2013 15:35
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Dogen posted:There should be an exchange program so US attorneys can go to their countries and work reasonable hours for a modest income. This sort of already exists.
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Sep 10, 2013 17:49
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So when is law school supposed to get hard? Next week will be one month down in class. People are saying they're spending each night buried in studying or spending their entire weekend reading. I'm just doing my reading/briefings in the morning before class and I seem like I'm doing well in the actual class based upon discussion. What am I missing? Is it really not all that difficult to do? Are the bulk of my classmates just freaking out and going way above and beyond? I know I'm idiot because I'm going to law school, but this seriously doesn't seem like much at all to stress about. I feel like I missed something somewhere because I seem to be one of the few that isn't spending each hour of my nights reading the same cases over and over again.
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Mr. Nice! posted:So when is law school supposed to get hard? Next week will be one month down in class. People are saying they're spending each night buried in studying or spending their entire weekend reading. I'm just doing my reading/briefings in the morning before class and I seem like I'm doing well in the actual class based upon discussion. I think you missed the part where none of us said law school was hard.
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Sep 12, 2013 15:10
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Law school isn't hard in the least except for a brief period around finals, and around OCI.
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Sep 12, 2013 15:16
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Mr. Nice! posted:So when is law school supposed to get hard? Next week will be one month down in class. People are saying they're spending each night buried in studying or spending their entire weekend reading. I'm just doing my reading/briefings in the morning before class and I seem like I'm doing well in the actual class based upon discussion. It just depends what works for you. Some people study like 24/7, others get the reading done and that's it. I think a lot of people do get really stressed out and assume that more work = better grades, which isn't necessarily true. From what I've seen, more time spent studying does not really correlate with better grades beyond a certain point. The problem is that some people do need to put that level of work in, and with your final being your only grade, it can be hard to self-assess. This mainly applies to the first 10 weeks or so of the semester because during finals almost everyone is working their asses off. I guess what I'm saying is figure out what level of studying works for you. My office mate this summer said law school is like a full-time job for her. I work mayyyybe 20 hours a week, often a lot less, including time spent in class, journal work, etc. We both do well. YMMV.
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Preparing for class is about the least hard part of law school. The rest of it isn't too bad, either (rankings dependent, etc, etc), but you should spend a lot of time prepping for finals once that starts. Also, law school attracts people who lie about how hard they work all the time. Most of that "reading" is staring at the page while watching Breaking Bad in the background.
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Arcturas posted:Also, law school attracts people who lie about how hard they work all the time. Most of that "reading" is staring at the page while watching Breaking Bad in the background. This is a key point. There's a lot of dickwaving and gunners trying to psych people out by bragging about how far along they are on their outline in early October. Don't worry too much about others' self-reported study habits.
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Sep 12, 2013 15:19
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Thanks. I just didn't get what all the hub bub was about.
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Sep 12, 2013 15:39
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99% of the poo poo you learn in law school isn't hard. It's just a lot of reading and compiling of information (into outlines around finals time), but I still have more free time in law school than I did when I worked. The 6 months of the school year that aren't immediately preceding exams are pretty chill.
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Mr. Nice! posted:So when is law school supposed to get hard? Next week will be one month down in class. People are saying they're spending each night buried in studying or spending their entire weekend reading. I'm just doing my reading/briefings in the morning before class and I seem like I'm doing well in the actual class based upon discussion. You're dealing with a poo poo ton of OCD Type A crazy people that are going nuts when they should be relaxing. You will be dealing with them for the rest of your life in this profession. Also, maybe I have a different attitude about this than other people, but classroom discussion has little to no correlation to how well you are doing or are going to do on the final exam. So I wouldn't put too much stock in that.
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mikeraskol posted:Also, maybe I have a different attitude about this than other people, but classroom discussion has little to no correlation to how well you are doing or are going to do on the final exam. So I wouldn't put too much stock in that. This is absolutely true. I remember being surprised at how poorly some people did on the exam when they seemed to get it in class. Law school exam taking is a skill separate from the actual learning and understanding of the material. I didn't really figure it out until the second year, which was too bad for my GPA. I got mostly C+ and Bs my first year and mostly As after I learned how to take the exams. And I don't think I suddenly learned the law better. It's all about the exams.
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quepasa18 posted:This is absolutely true. I remember being surprised at how poorly some people did on the exam when they seemed to get it in class. Law school exam taking is a skill separate from the actual learning and understanding of the material. I didn't really figure it out until the second year, which was too bad for my GPA. I got mostly C+ and Bs my first year and mostly As after I learned how to take the exams. And I don't think I suddenly learned the law better. It's all about the exams. Yeah, recall of the facts of the case when questioned (which is what class tests) has virtually nothing to do with the use of the case on the exam.
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Sep 12, 2013 16:58
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Mr. Nice! posted:So when is law school supposed to get hard?
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Law school's as hard as the other students, and as hard as finding a job is. This is like when people ask "Is the LSAT hard?" It's a curve and you're trying to be higher on that curve so you can use your results for applying for things, so it's as hard as the people you're doing it against and as the ranking of your school makes it and as the job market makes it. It also depends on what you're trying to do after law school. If your dream job is working in a mid-sized firm in the city of your law school, law school is much easier than if you want to work at a V5 firm's London office.
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Mr. Nice! posted:So when is law school supposed to get hard? In addition to 'it's not,' you've actually spent some time in 'real life.'
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Mr. Nice! posted:So when is law school supposed to get hard? Around the time finals are coming up.
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Mr. Nice! posted:So when is law school supposed to get hard? Have you tried going down on it?
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Have you tried going down on it? He was in the Navy, so he would have been trained for that.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Have you tried going down on it? joat mon posted:He was in the Navy, so he would have been trained for that. I couldn't have said it any better. It does make sense that these people would be the ones that lived in the library during undergrad which would explain a lot. I'm glad I'm not losing my mind.
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Also understand that everyone has had different academic backgrounds. I went to an undergrad institution whose curriculum and reading load was quite severe. By that standard, law school was actually an easier time, but that wasn't the case for most people I think.
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Mr. Nice! posted:So when is law school supposed to get hard?
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SlyFrog posted:Also understand that everyone has had different academic backgrounds. The majority of my fellow students were either poly sci or economics majors. Quite a bit from FSU. I got my BS in eco back in 2010 from FSU. I doubt the curriculum has changed a lot since then, but there wasn't a dearth of reading. If anything, dealing with navy instructions, memos, and other issuances probably has a much larger impact. I've been buried in legal documents of a sort as a part of my life for long enough that it's not too difficult to digest them. Unamuno posted:When you realize you have a -90% ROI on the biggest financial decision of your life. I'm getting paid to go to law school, not the other way around. So really I'm just being a bum and forestalling life for a bit longer so I can continue to be irresponsible.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The majority of my fellow students were either poly sci or economics majors. Quite a bit from FSU. I got my BS in eco back in 2010 from FSU. I doubt the curriculum has changed a lot since then, but there wasn't a dearth of reading. I'm not talking about their majors, I'm talking about where they went to school. I spoke with my friends who went to other schools, and discovered that I was having to read and write probably 50-75% more than they were, though several of them were in the same major as I was. This is just on a pages per week/papers due basis. Anyway, it is now pretty much a side-point to your overall question, so back to the original programming.
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I feel you. I'm just glad to have free time again. I got a puppy to celebrate.
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So verein firms.... Am I correct in understanding this is like an LLP made up for smaller LLPs/partnerships?
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Mr. Nice! posted:I'm getting paid to go to law school This also makes law school much easier. Is it a scholarship+stipend or is an employer paying? Or a rich relative.
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MoFauxHawk posted:This also makes law school much easier. Is it a scholarship+stipend or is an employer paying? Or a rich relative. Post 9-11 GI bill. Hence the Welfare Queen tag.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Post 9-11 GI bill. Hence the Welfare Queen tag. Aha, I suspected as much, another rich privileged shithead having law school paid for by his rich Uncle Sam.
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insanityv2 posted:So verein firms.... It's a partnership of partnerships, essentially. Edit: But each one remains a separate legal entity, so in the case of law firms a client of one member of the verien is not automatically a client of the rest. Schitzo fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:So when is law school supposed to get hard? Next week will be one month down in class. People are saying they're spending each night buried in studying or spending their entire weekend reading. I'm just doing my reading/briefings in the morning before class and I seem like I'm doing well in the actual class based upon discussion. 2. The people who actually are working that much are doing it wrong. 3. Showing up to class is pretty easy. Wait until you take a final exam to really gauge where you stand vis-a-vis your classmates. Not to say finals are really hard or anything, but day-to-day work isn't the best measurement because, frankly, very little is expected of you -- if you even get cold called at all. EDIT: I'm late to the party. Solid Lizzie fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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Everyone also lies about how little work they're doing (my law school was weird). Law school is "hard" in the sense that it's a narrow cluster of ability and there are thin margins between different levels of performance, which are then used to project your future. The Warszawa fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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I spent some time browsing decisions on SamoaLII because hey, why not. It's all so quaint. Being a small island lawyer must be so much fun 
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The Warszawa posted:Everyone also lies about how little work they're doing (my law school was weird). Maybe at yale. I worked like two weeks a year in law school (clinics excluded).
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I worked too much my first semester 1L year because I was flying blind, but still not nearly as much as folks around me claimed to be working. It was the same way for the bar. If you're studying 14 hours a day in June (or ever, really), you're going to have a bad time.
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